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it is ongoing currently, it is tending for 3 sides currently, one for a likely rating based on 1 scan, one for a full rating based on different scans and reasonings than the first, and 1 disagreeing with the rating entirelyLet me ask very clearly, does the characterization of these votes -- at this very moment -- determine the disposition of the thread? Or would it be ongoing either way?
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If that's the case, I ask that we not quibble over this until we've reached a situation where the difference between how a vote is being counted determines whether the thread passes or not.
Just FYI Shmooply’s ban got shifted down to 6 months.I would like to cite Shmooply's permaban as precedent case, as that was for more or less the same reason (ie; overt transphobia).
Just FYI Shmooply’s ban got shifted down to 6 months.
The first two were not brought to my attention until somewhat recently (@CurrySenpai posted them on Discord on 6/8, which I could not post here at the time because I was at work), and while the third one was quite some time ago, I figured a single instance wouldn't really be enough for a report on its own, so I just blocked him and left it at that. Of course, now that this is a pattern of behavior, there's no doubt that he ought to be banned.Looking at the dates of those screenshots, why weren't they brought up in the first place? Anyways, I support a 6 month ban for this.
I genuinely have no idea, sounds like she wants to downgrade a verse I like and make sure I am not in to interfere or something.why weren't they brought up in the first place?
One says 12/02/2023, but ok.The oldest of the screenshots is 6 months old, the others are only a few weeks old.
Which, you know, it was mostly just an edgy joke which was brushed off immediately.Insinuating that the reason Fuji is making a report about actual transphobic comments you made, one of which was specifically about her
Just saying, it was in 2023, but it's still a difference of 6 months. We ain't in the futureOne says 12/02/2023, but ok.
Oh, was it MM/DD/YYYY or DD/MM/YYYY? I made it so long ago I don't even remember lol.Just saying, it was in 2023, but it's still a difference of 6 months. We ain't in the future
One of the screenshots was 05/23/2024 so I'd assume MM/DD/YYYYOh, was it MM/DD/YYYY or DD/MM/YYYY? I made it so long ago I don't even remember lol.
12/02/2023 was 6 months ago, my man.One says 12/02/2023, but ok.
Our rules have been revised and argued to be applicable to anything sufficiently problematic offsite. This extends to any behavior that can be presented as causing undue distress in other site users, even if performed offsite. Past applications of this have been shady, in my reckoning, but this one is markedly less so.Sorry, If i may question it here, but why is a offsite scans bringed up here? I thought only site behaviour was valid for any action taken, and ofsite behaviour can at most be used as strenghtening a claim and not the full report?
(Feel free to delete this, but if so Could i get a answer on my message wall)
I make edgy stuff kinda regularly, I was never serious once about them but whatever.I find it hard to believe these were made in a joking manner.
As I said, I never did anything against Fuji or anyone else off just transphobia. I was even interacting with her normally both here and off-site until she suddenly blocked me. I never had anything serious against her, she's doing this all by herself.If people can act peacefully and overcome their base instincts or beliefs, I think they should be allowed to remain. But this isn't you doing that. I still wouldn't agree with a permanent ban based on two incidents, but this is a legitimate rule violation, I believe.
I read it as 12 February 2023, while we're in 10 June 2024.12/02/2023 was 6 months ago, my man.
I do not comprehend why is a ban even necessary.I think that Strym said much the same thing when he offended Fujiwara offsite.
Dereck03 mentioned in private to me that he does not like to be disrespected in this manner.i genuinely don't see why there seems to be some sort of witch-hunt against Fuji. How is that by any means worth reporting?? She said a joke, which even if it wasn't funny, was VERY harmless, and if Dereck had a problem with it, he, as a staff member, has the ability to warn Fuji if she crossed the line.
Also - comparing blatant transphobia to calling someone an asshole which was VERY obviously a joke (as it was even crossed out), is very disappointing to see.
Well, if you did not say anything offensive to her personally, or disparage her in a public server, those are obviously severely mitigating circumstances.I do not comprehend why is a ban even necessary.
The Big Foot thing was just me jokingly dismissing an argument against one I made about Topaz's sockpuppet issue, given that the main discussion was arguing on other factors on why it's a sock. It was never meant as a general statement of "trans people don't exist", that's objectively ridiculous.
The comment of december was never meant to be a direct offense against her, it was just me being edgy for the sake of being so, and it all happened while me and her were still on good terms, before someone snitched that on her, with Fuji blocking me in the middle of a normal convo we were having on top of that.
I never even interacted with Fuji since, as I was expecting her to either have an outburst, given her other showings of short temper, or just ghost me.
If Dereck did feel disrespected then sure. From your original post it sounded like someone else outside of Dereck reported her, I'll mind my business then.Dereck03 mentioned in private to me that he does not like to be disrespected in this manner.
I also don't want there to be double-standards here. "Do unto others as you wish to be treated yourself" basically. I am not engaged in a witch-hunt, and do not want Fujiwara to be harrassed or severely insulted, and sympathise with that she is likely under considerable stress due to the largely intolerant society she lives in, but she needs to make a continuous effort to behave well herself as well, especially to harmless people like Dereck03.
No problem at all. Thank you for your feedback.If Dereck did feel disrespected then sure. From your original post it sounded like someone else outside of Dereck reported her, I'll mind my business then.
And I do agree with you about respect by the way. I also apologize for chatting here without permission.
I never had anything against her, much less for gender identity, nor have made some attempts of truly humilating her in other places (because I know what it feels like to be ridiculed constantly over the smallest stuff, but that would go too personal), as I wouldn't gain anything from it either.Well, if you did not say anything offensive to her personally, or disparage her in a public server, those are obviously severely mitigating circumstances.
Dereck03 did not find it funny, and I think that Strym said much the same thing about when he offended Fujiwara offsite.
Please consider the circumstances by which you've linked the two reports here. As someone who identifies openly as trans, I think it's remiss to compare blatant, closeted transphobia the same as calling someone an asshole on an open forum. Whether intent was there or no, the choice of words are poor here-- because this comes off as an evolved stance.Also, I am not saying that these are equivalent offences, but the more severe offence seems to have been done in private and offsite, whereas the lesser one was done in the open and onsite.
You literally went out of your way to single her out and misgender her, that is blatant transphobia and the definition of singling her out.I never had anything against her, much less for gender identity, nor have made some attempts of truly humilating her in other places (because I know what it feels like to be ridiculed constantly over the smallest stuff, but that would go too personal), as I wouldn't gain anything from it either.
Shmooply on the other hand got banned for not just sincere transphonic comments, but also seemingly targetting Topaz due to her being transexual, which was the main reason why he got banned in the 1st place.
Banning me over 2 things that were neither serious nor actual harassment against Fuji would set a terrible precedent, imo.
What?You literally went out of your way to single her out
You weren't in that server then. Edgy stuff like that is the norm there (and I cannot really screenshot anything because I've left it months ago).You’re allowed to make jokes, but the direct misgendering of someone with seemingly no punchline or buildup is not that.
Well, that'd depend on what is being said.I would like the note the discord server is really really edgy so if we start banning people for this then half of the discord will be banned lmfao
I’m gonna give what should be some obvious advice, but just because you exist in a place with “edgy” humor does not mean what you are saying is okay. The fact that you openly admit that and wish to grab screenshots worries me that there is even more stuff like that.You weren't in that server then. Edgy stuff like that is the norm there (and I cannot really screenshot anything because I've left it months ago).
And again, it happened hella before someone snitched it on Fuji, I was having a regular way with her before so.
If your first thought is to use the “I’m being censored because the wiki is the woke moral police!” card then I think that goes to show there’s no real defense for what you said. I know it’ll make me more comfortable knowing that someone who makes transphobic comments is gone, even if it wasn’t on forum.Is this Wiki seriously becoming a moral police where you cannot say anything in places unrelated to it without getting reported?
Dude, this is the worst thing you could have said, you actually just self reported an entire server. I guess thank you for bringing it to my attention that there is a server that thinks making bigoted comments such as this funny, guess I’ll have to pay attention to the RVR thread a bit more.I would like the note the discord server is really really edgy so if we start banning people for this then half of the discord will be banned lmfao
I talk about stuff like rape jokes, as an example.Well, that'd depend on what is being said.
I mean, as I said I left the place as it was becoming too much for me too at a certain point. But nothing was actually serious, obviously.I’m gonna give what should be some obvious advice, but just because you exist in a place with “edgy” humor does not mean what you are saying is okay. The fact that you openly admit that and wish to grab screenshots worries me that there is even more stuff like that.
Deidalius got unironically reported off similar jokes from Fuji, despite those being jokes as well.If your first thought is to use the “I’m being censored because the wiki is the woke moral police!” card then I think that goes to show there’s no real defense for what you said. I know it’ll make me more comfortable knowing that someone who makes transphobic comments is gone, even if it wasn’t on forum.