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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Looking at the dates of those screenshots, why weren't they brought up in the first place? Anyways, I support a 6 month ban for this.
The first two were not brought to my attention until somewhat recently (@CurrySenpai posted them on Discord on 6/8, which I could not post here at the time because I was at work), and while the third one was quite some time ago, I figured a single instance wouldn't really be enough for a report on its own, so I just blocked him and left it at that. Of course, now that this is a pattern of behavior, there's no doubt that he ought to be banned.
 
Excuse me?

Outside the fact that some are literally over 1 year old (lol), the reason why Shmooply was banned was him making the report against Topaz while making a transphobic claim.

Not to mention that:
You literally blocked me not even a hour after a perfectly normal conversation we had (heck I was surprised and I got the reason on why you did only after like a week lmfao).
why weren't they brought up in the first place?
I genuinely have no idea, sounds like she wants to downgrade a verse I like and make sure I am not in to interfere or something.
 
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This response leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

The oldest of the screenshots is 6 months old, the others are only a few weeks old.

Insinuating that the reason Fuji is making a report about actual transphobic comments you made, one of which was specifically about her, is because she wants to make sure you don't interfere with a downgrade is incredibly ridiculous. Made even more so by the fact that she already explained why the report wasn't made immediately: she is not in these servers and was only made aware of these comments yesterday.

I am in the server where CurrySenpai posted them, so I can confirm they were posted there less than 48 hours ago. It has nothing to do with her planning a downgrade.
 
The oldest of the screenshots is 6 months old, the others are only a few weeks old.
One says 12/02/2023, but ok.
Insinuating that the reason Fuji is making a report about actual transphobic comments you made, one of which was specifically about her
Which, you know, it was mostly just an edgy joke which was brushed off immediately.

I never made harassments against her for that, heck we were even making totally normal conversations in DMs until she blocked me out of nowhere this January, I never tried to make anything serious against her for being trans, nor even tried to apologize or stuff like that (something I was planning to do originally while explaining, but was afraid of whatever outburst she'd do), if she's really this fed with me.

But I didn't do anything of this nature on-site, much less on serious matters, and getting banned for stuff I do very damn rarely while being ironic is just asinine and ridiculious.
 
Sorry, If i may question it here, but why is a offsite scans bringed up here? I thought only site behaviour was valid for any action taken, and ofsite behaviour can at most be used as strenghtening a claim and not the full report?

(Feel free to delete this, but if so Could i get a answer on my message wall)
 
I daresay Strym's comments are notably worse than Shmooply's, even. I find it hard to believe these were made in a joking manner.

It has been my stated opinion in the past that it is not for VSBW to determine and police how people think, regardless of the foul depths of those thoughts. Still, this extends beyond just thinking, doesn't it, when you're confronting someone like Curry with a statement that trans people aren't real.

If it was just that one, I'd be willing to believe it was a joke that landed poorly. In such an instance, I would push for forgiveness over kneejerk reaction banning. But the other one, with Deidalius, is even worse. It is just transphobia behind closed doors, which makes it hard to take the first as anything but transphobia, too.

If people can act peacefully and overcome their base instincts or beliefs, I think they should be allowed to remain. But this isn't you doing that. I still wouldn't agree with a permanent ban based on two incidents, but this is a legitimate rule violation, I believe.

One says 12/02/2023, but ok.
12/02/2023 was 6 months ago, my man.
 
Sorry, If i may question it here, but why is a offsite scans bringed up here? I thought only site behaviour was valid for any action taken, and ofsite behaviour can at most be used as strenghtening a claim and not the full report?

(Feel free to delete this, but if so Could i get a answer on my message wall)
Our rules have been revised and argued to be applicable to anything sufficiently problematic offsite. This extends to any behavior that can be presented as causing undue distress in other site users, even if performed offsite. Past applications of this have been shady, in my reckoning, but this one is markedly less so.
 
I find it hard to believe these were made in a joking manner.
I make edgy stuff kinda regularly, I was never serious once about them but whatever.
If people can act peacefully and overcome their base instincts or beliefs, I think they should be allowed to remain. But this isn't you doing that. I still wouldn't agree with a permanent ban based on two incidents, but this is a legitimate rule violation, I believe.
As I said, I never did anything against Fuji or anyone else off just transphobia. I was even interacting with her normally both here and off-site until she suddenly blocked me. I never had anything serious against her, she's doing this all by herself.
12/02/2023 was 6 months ago, my man.
I read it as 12 February 2023, while we're in 10 June 2024.
 
Given that, if I did not misunderstand, Strym does not seem to have said anything transphobic directly to Fujiwara as a means of harrassment, but rather expressed an unsympathetic viewpoint in private, this seems like a significantly mitigating circumstance, and Strym is an otherwise well-behaved member as far as I am aware, so a permanent ban seems like an extreme overreaction.

Would 3 months or so be acceptable?
 
it was a joke. im sure if dereck felt offended by it, he would've spoken out and warned her, seeing how he were literally in the thread and replied to it...
 
i genuinely don't see why there seems to be some sort of witch-hunt against Fuji. How is that by any means worth reporting?? She said a joke, which even if it wasn't funny, was VERY harmless, and if Dereck had a problem with it, he, as a staff member, has the ability to warn Fuji if she crossed the line.

Also - comparing blatant transphobia to calling someone an asshole which was VERY obviously a joke (as it was even crossed out), is very disappointing to see. (also styrms case has literally nothing to do with this report here against fuji, but whatever.)
 
I think that Strym said much the same thing when he offended Fujiwara offsite.
I do not comprehend why is a ban even necessary.

The Big Foot thing was just me jokingly dismissing an argument against one I made about Topaz's sockpuppet issue, given that the main discussion was arguing on other factors on why it's a sock. It was never meant as a general statement of "trans people don't exist", that's objectively ridiculous.

The comment of december was never meant to be a direct offense against her, it was just me being edgy for the sake of being so, and it all happened while me and her were still on good terms, before someone snitched that on her, with Fuji blocking me in the middle of a normal convo we were having on top of that.

I never even interacted with Fuji since, as I was expecting her to either have an outburst, given her other showings of short temper, or just ghost me.
 
i genuinely don't see why there seems to be some sort of witch-hunt against Fuji. How is that by any means worth reporting?? She said a joke, which even if it wasn't funny, was VERY harmless, and if Dereck had a problem with it, he, as a staff member, has the ability to warn Fuji if she crossed the line.
Also - comparing blatant transphobia to calling someone an asshole which was VERY obviously a joke (as it was even crossed out), is very disappointing to see.
Dereck03 mentioned in private to me that he does not like to be disrespected in this manner.

I also don't want there to be double-standards here. "Do unto others as you wish to be treated yourself" basically.

I am not engaged in a witch-hunt, and do not want Fujiwara to be harrassed or severely insulted, and sympathise with that she is likely under considerable stress due to the largely intolerant society she lives in, but she needs to make a continuous effort to behave well herself as well, especially to harmless people like Dereck03.

Also, I am not saying that these are equivalent offences, but the more severe offence seems to have been done in private and offsite, whereas the lesser one was done in the open and onsite.
 
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I do not comprehend why is a ban even necessary.

The Big Foot thing was just me jokingly dismissing an argument against one I made about Topaz's sockpuppet issue, given that the main discussion was arguing on other factors on why it's a sock. It was never meant as a general statement of "trans people don't exist", that's objectively ridiculous.

The comment of december was never meant to be a direct offense against her, it was just me being edgy for the sake of being so, and it all happened while me and her were still on good terms, before someone snitched that on her, with Fuji blocking me in the middle of a normal convo we were having on top of that.

I never even interacted with Fuji since, as I was expecting her to either have an outburst, given her other showings of short temper, or just ghost me.
Well, if you did not say anything offensive to her personally, or disparage her in a public server, those are obviously severely mitigating circumstances.
 
Dereck03 mentioned in private to me that he does not like to be disrespected in this manner.

I also don't want there to be double-standards here. "Do unto others as you wish to be treated yourself" basically. I am not engaged in a witch-hunt, and do not want Fujiwara to be harrassed or severely insulted, and sympathise with that she is likely under considerable stress due to the largely intolerant society she lives in, but she needs to make a continuous effort to behave well herself as well, especially to harmless people like Dereck03.
If Dereck did feel disrespected then sure. From your original post it sounded like someone else outside of Dereck reported her, I'll mind my business then.

And I do agree with you about respect by the way. I also apologize for chatting here without permission.
 
If Dereck did feel disrespected then sure. From your original post it sounded like someone else outside of Dereck reported her, I'll mind my business then.

And I do agree with you about respect by the way. I also apologize for chatting here without permission.
No problem at all. Thank you for your feedback. 🙏

Also, I updated my second to last preceding post here. 🙏
 
Well, if you did not say anything offensive to her personally, or disparage her in a public server, those are obviously severely mitigating circumstances.
I never had anything against her, much less for gender identity, nor have made some attempts of truly humilating her in other places (because I know what it feels like to be ridiculed constantly over the smallest stuff, but that would go too personal), as I wouldn't gain anything from it either.

Shmooply on the other hand got banned for not just sincere transphonic comments, but also seemingly targetting Topaz due to her being transexual, which was the main reason why he got banned in the 1st place.

Banning me over 2 things that were neither serious nor actual harassment against Fuji would set a terrible precedent, imo.
 
Those seem like very good points, but I would like to see what other staff members here think about them and my own points above. 🙏

Personally I do not think that this seems very severe, and it also happened offsite.
 
I don't usually like to involve myself in these cases, so forgive me if this comes off as intrusive.

For what it's worth, Admins should investigate the context to Fuji's report, which started here. Whomever wrote the report neglected to mention, that, the context was indeed an offhand joke about giving vsadmins profiles, which led to the comment about calling Dereck03 an asshole (jokingly), linking to a jokesbattles profile (note that this profile has been edited by Dereck03 himself) that is of Dereck03. Furthermore, the context was effectively joking about powerscaling vsb members. I also want to highlight that this occurred in the fun and games thread, which isn't meant to downplay the real feelings that Dereck03 felt-- rather-- it is to shine a light on the setting the post took place in, and provide some semblance of relief.

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Given the context of the discussion in the thread, I don't believe there was any real malicious harm intended. However, I do think that Fuji should explain herself regardless and to clear any overdue grievances or wrongdoings.

Edit: To that end, I would like to ask that staff allow Fuji a chance to explain herself, and ping her to respond.

Dereck03 did not find it funny, and I think that Strym said much the same thing about when he offended Fujiwara offsite.
Also, I am not saying that these are equivalent offences, but the more severe offence seems to have been done in private and offsite, whereas the lesser one was done in the open and onsite.
Please consider the circumstances by which you've linked the two reports here. As someone who identifies openly as trans, I think it's remiss to compare blatant, closeted transphobia the same as calling someone an asshole on an open forum. Whether intent was there or no, the choice of words are poor here-- because this comes off as an evolved stance.
 
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I never had anything against her, much less for gender identity, nor have made some attempts of truly humilating her in other places (because I know what it feels like to be ridiculed constantly over the smallest stuff, but that would go too personal), as I wouldn't gain anything from it either.

Shmooply on the other hand got banned for not just sincere transphonic comments, but also seemingly targetting Topaz due to her being transexual, which was the main reason why he got banned in the 1st place.

Banning me over 2 things that were neither serious nor actual harassment against Fuji would set a terrible precedent, imo.
You literally went out of your way to single her out and misgender her, that is blatant transphobia and the definition of singling her out.
You’re allowed to make jokes, but the direct misgendering of someone with seemingly no punchline or buildup is not that.
 
You literally went out of your way to single her out
What?

Even if it was true, it was no way a mean to directly cause discomfort to her.

Is this Wiki seriously becoming a moral police where you cannot say anything in places unrelated to it without getting reported?
You’re allowed to make jokes, but the direct misgendering of someone with seemingly no punchline or buildup is not that.
You weren't in that server then. Edgy stuff like that is the norm there (and I cannot really screenshot anything because I've left it months ago).

And again, it happened hella before someone snitched it on Fuji, I was having a regular way with her before so.
 
You weren't in that server then. Edgy stuff like that is the norm there (and I cannot really screenshot anything because I've left it months ago).

And again, it happened hella before someone snitched it on Fuji, I was having a regular way with her before so.
I’m gonna give what should be some obvious advice, but just because you exist in a place with “edgy” humor does not mean what you are saying is okay. The fact that you openly admit that and wish to grab screenshots worries me that there is even more stuff like that.

Also, being regular with Fuji does not give you the right to make such uncouth comments, nor does it make your case better, if anything it just makes it look like you put on a mask in public so you can privately slander her with rather offensive language.
Is this Wiki seriously becoming a moral police where you cannot say anything in places unrelated to it without getting reported?
If your first thought is to use the “I’m being censored because the wiki is the woke moral police!” card then I think that goes to show there’s no real defense for what you said. I know it’ll make me more comfortable knowing that someone who makes transphobic comments is gone, even if it wasn’t on forum.
 
I would like the note the discord server is really really edgy so if we start banning people for this then half of the discord will be banned lmfao
Dude, this is the worst thing you could have said, you actually just self reported an entire server. I guess thank you for bringing it to my attention that there is a server that thinks making bigoted comments such as this funny, guess I’ll have to pay attention to the RVR thread a bit more.
 
Well, that'd depend on what is being said.
I talk about stuff like **** jokes, as an example.
I’m gonna give what should be some obvious advice, but just because you exist in a place with “edgy” humor does not mean what you are saying is okay. The fact that you openly admit that and wish to grab screenshots worries me that there is even more stuff like that.
I mean, as I said I left the place as it was becoming too much for me too at a certain point. But nothing was actually serious, obviously.
If your first thought is to use the “I’m being censored because the wiki is the woke moral police!” card then I think that goes to show there’s no real defense for what you said. I know it’ll make me more comfortable knowing that someone who makes transphobic comments is gone, even if it wasn’t on forum.
Deidalius got unironically reported off similar jokes from Fuji, despite those being jokes as well.
 
Please consider the circumstances by which you've linked the two reports here. As someone who identifies openly as trans, I think it's remiss to compare blatant, closeted transphobia the same as calling someone an asshole on an open forum. Whether intent was there or no, the choice of words are poor here-- because this comes off as an evolved stance.
I explicitly stated that I do not consider the two cases equivalent in the post that you quoted from me.

I just think that Fujiwara needs to make an effort to be nice to others if she wants them to treat her nicely as well.

Also, if an otherwise well-behaved member called me an "autist r-word" or similar in an offsite private setting, which I think would be of worse severity than what happened here, I would not remotely consider it worthy of permanently banning them due to borderline thought-policing.

However, I may be mistaken, especially as social drama is definitely not my area, so let's wait and see what Bambu, DarkGrath, and other administrators here think. 🙏
 
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Dude, this is the worst thing you could have said, you actually just self reported an entire server.
For the record I did not say anyone was saying "bigoted comments" nor was it okay. I was calling discord edgy and definitely contains dark humour not fit for the wiki, but sure go ahead dig up the past and cancel everyone. That will save the world hooray! :rolleyes:
 
Also, being regular with Fuji does not give you the right to make such uncouth comments, nor does it make your case better, if anything it just makes it look like you put on a mask in public so you can privately slander her with rather offensive language.
"slander her".

Dude how am I slandering her? I only made a single non-serious misgendering which was instantly forgotten.
 
Excuse me?

Outside the fact that some are literally over 1 year old (lol), the reason why Shmooply was banned was him making the report against Topaz while making a transphobic claim.

Not to mention that:
You literally blocked me not even a hour after a perfectly normal conversation we had (heck I was surprised and I got the reason on why you did only after like a week lmfao).
The comment of december was never meant to be a direct offense against her, it was just me being edgy for the sake of being so, and it all happened while me and her were still on good terms, before someone snitched that on her, with Fuji blocking me in the middle of a normal convo we were having on top of that.

I never even interacted with Fuji since, as I was expecting her to either have an outburst, given her other showings of short temper, or just ghost me.
Let me be blunt here: All of my interactions with people on here are predicated on them not being bigoted pieces of shit. Once someone outs themselves in that regard by revealing that they do not think my identity is real or worth respecting, then I block them and get them the hell out of my life. Did it with Shmooply, did it with Deidalius, and I did it with you. You do not get a pass just because we happened to speak slightly more frequently.
I would like the note the discord server is really really edgy so if we start banning people for this then half of the discord will be banned lmfao
Okay. Good. Let the banning spree begin, then.
Also, I was informed in private that Fujiwara broke our rules by calling Dereck03, who is one of our most hardworking, reliable, and overall valuable, staff members, an asshole for no good reason.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/vs-battles-wiki-pet-peeves.114634/post-6582307
That was a joke. The context was that Dereck has a profile on the Joke Battles Wiki, which directly mentions me in several places (I do not take offense to these mentions, to be clear). Since the topic of making a JBW profile for me was brought up, I decided to mention that profile as an example of someone I could "fight" if such a profile was made, saying I would "put him in his place" as a joke regarding the nature of his profile's references to me (which indicate that I had "lost" to Dereck, in a joking fashion).
"slander her".

Dude how am I slandering her? I only made a single non-serious misgendering which was instantly forgotten.
Misgendering trans people is transphobia, Strym. You can try to dance around this issue with your "not serious + dark humor + Wokeism Bad" shtick, but it will not change the fact that the things you have said are textbook examples of transphobia.
Also, if an otherwise well-behaved member called me an "autist r-word" or similar in an offsite private setting, which I think would be of worse severity than what happened here, I would not remotely consider it worthy of permanently banning them due to borderline thought-policing.
As someone who has faced traumatizing degrees of violence IRL for their neurodivergence, I'm disgusted by the fact that you think it's appropriate to try and scale bigotry like this. We should not allow ableism, nor should we allow transphobia; The alternative to this is fostering a community frequented only by spiteful bigots, or a community where everyone hates each other.
I talk about stuff like **** jokes, as an example.
This is not helping your case.
I mean, as I said I left the place as it was becoming too much for me too at a certain point. But nothing was actually serious, obviously.
I find this odd, because if I recall correctly, another member reached out to me to ask why you were blocked, and then relayed the reason back to you. So you knew why you were blocked, and could have clarified that it was a "joke", but chose not to. You're only pulling the "dark humor" card now that there are actual consequences for your bigotry.
 
That's a lot to unpack, huh?
Let me be blunt here: All of my interactions with people on here are predicated on them not being bigoted pieces of shit. Once someone outs themselves in that regard by revealing that they do not think my identity is real or worth respecting, then I block them and get them the hell out of my life. Did it with Shmooply, did it with Deidalius, and I did it with you. You do not get a pass just because we happened to speak slightly more frequently.
I mean, sure? Doesn't mean that I treated you lowly nor even insulted you once. I genuinely used to see you as a good company as well, but now you're betraying me and even trying to get me banned despite all of before.

This shit hurts, genuinely.
Misgendering trans people is transphobia, Strym. You can try to dance around this issue with your "not serious + dark humor + Wokeism Bad" shtick, but it will not change the fact that the things you have said are textbook examples of transphobia.
This does not mean I was harassing, targetting or whatever else doing anything to you. A thing would be if I did personally stuff against you off transphobic beliefs, but it was just a single event that was only once, lol.

A rule violation would be if I directly constantly insulted you or made actions to antagonize you, but this isn't really it.
I find this odd, because if I recall correctly, another member reached out to me to ask why you were blocked, and then relayed the reason back to you. So you knew why you were blocked, and could have clarified that it was a "joke", but chose not to. You're only pulling the "dark humor" card now that there are actual consequences for your bigotry.
Wanna know the only reason why? I'll be really frank about this, I was simply scared. Not only I didn't know how else to actually reach you, but even if I sent DMs in other social media with an apology, I believed you'd simply block me even there.

You didn't even ask me a single clarification, or anything on the sort, you blocked me instantly without letting me talk, so I have a right to just leave you behind, and stopping to completely interact with you, if you got pissed this much.

I have respected your decision of not wanting to have anything to do with me, ok, but you're making me think I was doing a really dumb decision at that, too.
 
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