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I'm well aware. I don't believe this needed to be re-emphasizedWell, to be clear, you are not able to vote on punishments as a CGM. So far myself, Duedate, and Lephyr have said action isn't needed. I believe the matter is settled.
We absolutely have proof. A very simple, justifiable request was made by users to not be included in the poll and Dread ignored it. When being called out on it, she claimed she did respect us, only to ignore our requestI got to agree with Deagonx on this one. While some involved might've not liked their names in this poll, none of our rules actually make such a thing wrong or re-portable. Dread neither harassed nor called for harassment towards any of the involved members. Just included them in a poll they didn't want to be a part of. Members of our staff taking that personally would be on them, unless we have some proof which demonstrates that Dread was out to harass and be rude.
This seems more like an instance where a problem was made out of something where it didn't have to be one.
I'm not claiming you were seeking out conflict with us, but you definitely didn't respect what myself and others requested. We clearly expressed that we weren't comfortable being part of what we believed to be a troublesome thread and only wanted to not be represented in the final resultsYou are unquestionably venturing beyond the realm of context and intent. No, I was not engaged in any form of harassment. Moreover, it certainly did not encapsulate my overarching intention throughout the entire discourse.
I never exhibited disrespect towards your request; indeed, I acknowledged and validated it. Additionally, I did not exclude you from the poll, as I perceived it not as a disrespectful action, but rather, as I elucidated earlier, due to my rationale for its retention. Thus, my aim is not to incite conflict with anyone, for the thread's purpose is rooted in amusement rather than singling out any specific individual.
- Are you seeking my acquiescence to the notion that my actions held a moral transgression in this matter? Well, I concede that I may concur to some extent. I have already extended my apologies for this.
- However, to the crux of the matter, are you striving for my admission that I engaged in harassment towards someone? No, emphatically not.
Refrain from spamming, trolling, threatening, using derogatory comments of any form (ethnic, homophobic, belittling the physically disabled or mentally ill, et cetera), and rude, vulgar, sexist, etcetera offensive language. We do not tolerate any form of bigotry in any direction whatsoever. Furthermore, do not instigate drama or toxicity, and follow the instructions in official staff warnings.
I'd think that a vote ranking users would have the risk of drama clear to most already, but apparently some staff members warned Dread about it beforehand, and she seemingly tried to force the angle of positivity to minimise that, which shows some awareness of the risk before creating it, in my mind.Off-site behavior is usually irrelevant except in cases of:
- Actions that lead to the destabilization of the site (such as videos, forum posts, Discord chats, etc. that create drama), whether or not it was systematic. To determine what counts as destabilization of the site one should mostly look at the consequences of said act rather than the individual act itself.
I agree.Marshadow: I'd suggest a short ban and a topic ban extension (3-30 day ban, 30-60 day topic ban extension). We shouldn't let people weasel their way around topic bans like this. If they can start leaving "minor comments", that opens the door for them to gradually scale the comments up. I think we should cut this off immediately.
That could be said of a wide range of behavior on the wiki that is hitherto completely unmoderated, including a wide array of behavior that you yourself have advocated against action for. I am not sure what distinguishes Dread in this regard.Dread: Contrary to the people saying this doesn't violate rules, I think this can be said to have been instigating drama.
I don't think it is completely unmoderated. We got rid of the slander threads for that reason.That could be said of a wide range of behavior on the wiki that is hitherto completely unmoderated, including a wide array of behavior that you yourself have advocated against action for. I am not sure what distinguishes Dread in this regard.
We got rid of the slander threads because they regularly crossed the line into rule-breaking. I don't recall anyone citing this rule during that process.We got rid of the slander threads for that reason.
The amount of drama it causes more or less depends on the recipient of the insult. This is far too nebulous a metric for the RVR. Could we say that Fuji instigates drama by creating MGK downgrades simply because the very fact-of attempting to downgrade it causes a public debacle?The simple answer is that I believe that calling someone's argument "the stupidest thing I've ever heard" causes far less drama than running an explicit popularity contest.
Personally, I don't really see it. I've seen users make "VSBW staff tier lists" and never thought they'd need individual staff members permission for inclusion or that such a thing is instigating drama. Dread thought it would be fun. I cannot possibly see warning someone for this, personally.To me, that difference is kind of self-evident, given how Dread doing that lead to multiple staff members complaining, and a thread filling up with over 100 posts in a few hours before being closed. While most cases of someone's argument being insulted at most lead to one person being a bit sad/angry, without much increased reply density.
Perhaps it could be said to be an issue of scale? Our rules for off-site drama do say it should be of a systemic level. That's why we punish people for broad drama-creating situations that occur off-site, and not for insulting a single person off-site.
I understand it was a little innappropriate, so I suppose I can apologize for that, but what I said was essentially saying he's a dick eater... Which is a very common insult in and off this forum, honestly.Reporting @TheMonkeMan for this now deleted comment describing two bureaucrats in a very uncomfortable and sexual context. I'm removing his threadban so he can respond here.
Given past offenses of a similar nature, ban seems fair. Two months seems fine to me.Whether we put it under sexual harassment, or just direct insults, I think that sorta behaviour's unacceptable.
I'd want a ban in the range of 2-12 weeks.
If you're gonna talk about your dislike of someone, do it in a more mature way.
I don't know what your point is exactly. The c-word is also a very common insult but it'd still get you banned. I don't see how describing two users in sex acts because they agree with each other is defensible in any context.but what I said was essentially saying he's a dick eater... Which is a very common insult in and off this forum, honestly.
I don't even hate Ant or DT though, that's the thing.Whether we put it under sexual harassment, or just direct insults, I think that sorta behaviour's unacceptable.
I'd want a ban in the range of 2-12 weeks.
If you're gonna talk about your dislike of someone, do it in a more mature way.
Really all you need to do is type "dick" into the search bar here and you'll find a lot of those types of messages. Even from staff members.Off-wiki is whatever, but if there's other people on-site talking about users slobbin' on other users' knobs in a non-jovial manner, let us know so we can warn/ban them too.
I’d go with a stern warning for instigating drama.Don't think I need to say much about this.
Thread was made despite repeated insistence from thread mods to not do this, then our names (Mine, Lephyr's and Lonkitt's included) were included against our consent, after which we told them to remove it (My comment is a page earlier), and Dread initially then said she wouldn't because it would be disrespectful to others (Grossly ignoring our personal and private boundaries for a little bit of clout), even accusing said staff members of derailing no less, until she finally did so after a while. Not to mention she also leaked the vote count despite insistence from staff members like ArmorChompy and Crabwhale to NOT DO IT (Armor deleted the comment but he can show you the evidence).
I agree with a 1-2 month ban. I’m not sure how they thought that’d be okay to post.Reporting @TheMonkeMan for this now deleted comment describing two bureaucrats in a very uncomfortable and sexual context. I'm removing his threadban so he can respond here.
The c-word gets you banned not because of any rules this site would have, but from rules that FANDOM has, as far as I remember.I don't know what your point is exactly. The c-word is also a very common insult but it'd still get you banned. I don't see how describing two users in sex acts because they agree with each other is defensible in any context.
Actually. I'd just strongly advise against ever talking about sexual matters in any context whatsoever with regard to other users and that should be super obvious.
I agree with Agnaa on a ban, leaning towards longer than shorter, he's received multiple warnings and even bans for inappropriate behavior.
From a quick glance, the majority (used in the same context as the one you're getting reported for here) are from you, but there are some from Arc too.Really all you need to do is type "dick" into the search bar here and you'll find a lot of those types of messages. Even from staff members.
And yeah this is true. It's because Fandom saw it as a slur against male feminists.The c-word gets you banned not because of any rules this site would have, but from rules that FANDOM has, as far as I remember.
This isn't really the same as that.
I decided to check, and of the instances of that word being used that I see on the first page, the vast majority of results are just you with like. Here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.Really all you need to do is type "dick" into the search bar here and you'll find a lot of those types of messages.
You are genuinely one of the most immature people I have ever observed on this forum. To even ascertain in any capacity that calling someone a dick eater or telling them they slobber on **** is anywhere near acceptable is ludicrous. You are not Ant's and DT's personal friend. There are boundaries defined by the relationships you share with people, and you seem to think everyone here is your like-minded chum that will just brush off everything you say. They are not, and you would do well to begin comprehending that.I understand it was a little innappropriate, so I suppose I can apologize for that, but what I said was essentially saying he's a dick eater... Which is a very common insult in and off this forum, honestly.
I mean I seriously doubt it would actually hurt them, considering how much we use terms like that here, but if it did then I sincerely apologize and would accept any punishment I get in that scenario.
I am in agreeance with this. Since returning from his initial ban it has been incident after incident, and every single time that Monke is warned for his bad behavior he makes it a point to argue with whoever is warning him. He shows no signs of recognition that his conduct is problematic and in the absolute best case scenario like was demonstrated here, he will "accept" a punishment whilst still asserting his own innocence.I'm proposing a 3-6 month ban
Bumping this as we got two very similar usernames.Testzzz
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Btw, this one is with three z rather than the four Zs use here
Oh yeah, this is definitely a sock. The Tokyo Revengers incident is still fresh in my mindBumping this as we got two very similar usernames.
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Also Probably sock puppet of a certain user that was banned in relation to the TR stuff as well as maybe certain other things.
Edit:Ya Boi King Kai
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This was his first contribution to the wiki and decided to contact a wiki representative.
Their persistence reminds me of there being a precedent of different users making a lot of alts despite the fact it will only prolong the ban duration to infinite.Oh yeah, this is definitely a sock. The Tokyo Revengers incident is still fresh in my mind
Yeah, threads like this basically never end well. Some staff members don't like the fact that they're hated when they see getting like 0 votes compared to everyone else. Also, Super Moderators were excluded which was something I might argue being considered discrimination. I know a reason might because there are only 2 of us (me and Bambu), but even if there was only one and threads like this were going to be made, I would have at least like to been curious how it turns out. I also would not have been offended either way, though I cannot speak one way or the other for Mr Bambu.Don't think I need to say much about this.
Thread was made despite repeated insistence from thread mods to not do this, then our names (Mine, Lephyr's and Lonkitt's included) were included against our consent, after which we told them to remove it (My comment is a page earlier), and Dread initially then said she wouldn't because it would be disrespectful to others (Grossly ignoring our personal and private boundaries for a little bit of clout), even accusing said staff members of derailing no less, until she finally did so after a while. Not to mention she also leaked the vote count despite insistence from staff members like ArmorChompy and Crabwhale to NOT DO IT (Armor deleted the comment but he can show you the evidence).
BlockedBumping this as we got two very similar usernames.
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Also Probably sock puppet of a certain user that was banned in relation to the TR stuff as well as maybe certain other things.
Edit:Ya Boi King Kai
vsbattles.fandom.com
This was his first contribution to the wiki and decided to contact a wiki representative.
Reporting Light013br for blatant vandalism.
Okay, I don't want to repeat my own personal frustrations. Everyone knows how I feel when the RVR blows up and there's a new page that's already almost filled up that happens all in one day. But.
Yeah, threads like this basically never end well. Some staff members don't like the fact that they're hated when they see getting like 0 votes compared to everyone else. Also, Super Moderators were excluded which was something I might argue being considered discrimination. I know a reason might because there are only 2 of us (me and Bambu), but even if there was only one and threads like this were going to be made, I would have at least like to been curious how it turns out. I also would not have been offended either way, though I cannot speak one way or the other for Mr Bambu.
But either way, the thread should have been closed/removed outright. And Dread shouldn't be banned because I know she didn't really mean harm in that regard, even if it was pretty shitty to ignore that fact that various staff wanted their names off the debate. The worst she gets is a warning to not make any similar threads like this in the future
Blocked
Also blocked
This still isn't fixed.Reporting Light013br for blatant vandalism.
Yes it is? The page is back to how it was a few days ago and that user's been blocked.This still isn't fixed.
It me it was still showing up as High 1-A/1-A goku solos.Yes it is? The page is back to how it was a few days ago and that user's been blocked.