EldemadeDityjon
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Then why are you even defending her without even knowing if she was trolling or serious. Also this is RVR thread you ain't even staff nor reported person stop the crap.
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Because you're making a fool of yourself.
Getting angry at me isn't going to help.
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Rule violation thread is not to argue about if the violation is valid or not. This is a truly absurd amount of back and forth comments for a straight forward report.
EldemadeDityjon
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Gonna ignore you
Orginal scans where it was stated God was sealed in his castle and he made that power his own.
Here Fuji cropped the scans and made her own headcanon again.
Orginal scans where it was stated God was sealed in his castle and he made that power his own.
Here Fuji cropped the scans and made her own headcanon again.
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You're not exactly in a position to say this though...
Anyways, this should be left to the staff. I haven't looked through what was sent in myself
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In my defense, it was very funny.
EldemadeDityjon
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I did accused her being double standards and making headcanon you can check the link and scans for proof. She even cropped scans now just to defend herself removing the further explanation in my original scans.
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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I cropped the screenshot so I could show the relevant part. That isn't bias or headcanon.
Now please shut up and let staff evaluate.
Now please shut up and let staff evaluate.
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@TheMonkeMan I appreciate the help with the reminder but by this point it may just be additional clog unfortunately.
Also, typing up my thoughts now
Also, typing up my thoughts now
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Okay, so Imgur's being an absolute goon and not working for me right now, so I can't sift through everything. However, what is available tells me the following:
There's noticeable aggression from everyone participating in that thread. I'd say Tatsumi is very much at fault not just because of this, but also because of taking DarkGrath's comment on the thread out of context to support his argument. Elde, on the other hand, hasn't done something like this but there's clear aggression on his end. I'd say the same goes for Fuji too. It honestly seems like MGK is just bringing out the worst of all sides on this front. Something needs to be done about this, I'd say, since otherwise it'll just continue happening. All three need to back off each other as far as I'm concerned.
Because of Imgur being Imgur right now, I can't go over Elde's scans, but the one that isn't on Imgur shows Fuji responding the Elde's accusations of double standards with a simple "Cope" message, which I can definitely see as admission of double standards (my brain took it as "yeah it's true, cope, deal with it", essentially, it's kinda hard to phrase what my brain registers tbh). If this wasn't the intention, I apologize, but it definitely came across that way to me.
There's noticeable aggression from everyone participating in that thread. I'd say Tatsumi is very much at fault not just because of this, but also because of taking DarkGrath's comment on the thread out of context to support his argument. Elde, on the other hand, hasn't done something like this but there's clear aggression on his end. I'd say the same goes for Fuji too. It honestly seems like MGK is just bringing out the worst of all sides on this front. Something needs to be done about this, I'd say, since otherwise it'll just continue happening. All three need to back off each other as far as I'm concerned.
Because of Imgur being Imgur right now, I can't go over Elde's scans, but the one that isn't on Imgur shows Fuji responding the Elde's accusations of double standards with a simple "Cope" message, which I can definitely see as admission of double standards (my brain took it as "yeah it's true, cope, deal with it", essentially, it's kinda hard to phrase what my brain registers tbh). If this wasn't the intention, I apologize, but it definitely came across that way to me.
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Also I should mention I suggest that action be taken now since this is a recurring issue. We legit had this kinda issue barely a week ago, with the same people, involving the same verse
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This should hopefully work
Here's the scan that Elde posted, which he claims to prove a level of "double standard" on Fuji's part.
Here are the scans that Elde posted, which he claims to prove a level of dishonesty on Fuji's part.
Here's the scan which Elde provided which supposedly proves Fuji intentionally, and dishonestly cropping crucial evidence out of her post.
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Admittedly, I can't really help with the MGK-specific scans because I don't know the verse. I'd need like... significantly more context. Thanks for the help though
EldemadeDityjon
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Yes this is true. Her own verse has same explanation even lesser than what MGK provides. She claimed concepts of names giving rise to another concepts of names all falls under CM type 1 just because they are from same thing. When in our thread we claimed concept of order giving bith to another concepts also falls Under same things she started claiming random things. Anyway arguing this topic is not suitable here. I am just explaining what happened.
Oh. If imgur is not working then can't be helped.
Those scans had proof for Fuji cropping scans and supporting her argument where OP has ful scans which has different means and explanation. Additionally she tried to twist the explanation and feats in the series on two occasions.
Like claiming a character was died when originally scan Clearly mentioned as character was contained inside the castle.
When I pointed out she got pissed for me calling that out as headcanon of hers and reported here and again cropped the scans to suit her headcanon and posted in the thread.
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I'll definitely say that's problematic if it's as you say it is. Though you'd probably want a staff member who's knowledgeable on MGK to verify the truth of this matter.
For now, I'll say this to you, Tatsumi, and Fuji while we wait for other staff to weigh in: It's fiction. It should never be this serious. No amount of power scaling should warrant aggression towards actual people
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@CloverDragon03 just to add some more context, Elde has been picking a bone with Fuji mostly because of her attempt to question a lot of the stuff MG has on the pages. Case in point when Fujiwara was questioning the concept hax for MG and it got accepted, he tried to retaliate with an exact same thread on Touhou (a series Fuji heavily supports here), which everyone can easily see that he was doing this out of spite. I bring this up to explain where the aggression between the two are coming from.
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Making a downgrade thread for a verse someone supports as retaliation after they'd done the same is...
Interesting, to say the least
Interesting, to say the least
EldemadeDityjon
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Thanks for posting the scans. it seems imgur messing with some regions i guess.
You can check the scan itself above where goddess of destruction was contained in a new form - as demon king castle. It's straightforward statement. She twisted it into character had died in two occasions.
Yeah.
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I can see where Fuji may have gotten this interpretation, as twice it is mentioned that the goddess of destruction was "felled" in some capacity, but with my very limited knowledge, this seems more like "defeated" rather than "killed." That's not even mentioning if this goddess has some type of immortality that lets her come back in a new form or something of the sort. Though I could be missing something.
Even so, is there a precedent to assume this was done with ill intent rather than simply being a misinterpretation? (Assuming what you're saying is correct)
EldemadeDityjon
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I would have agreed with you if she didn't cropped the scan and ignored the context again even after I pointed it out. This is her reply after I said God was not dead. She didn't bothered to correct herself instead cropped the scan itself and posted it to support her claim.
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Also, from what I've noticed, it seems like Fujiwara's aggression has come later in response to Elde's and now Tatsumi's. I must stress that this could be different if I'm getting my info wrong, but looking at everything, that's what it seems like to me
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Could you tell me what this debate involving this goddess's supposed destruction is for? Like, what ability is this debate for? I might be able to better understand this if I know that
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I believe you read the comment so can it be explained to me what I took out of context when the words "clearly literal" was used to confirm what I sent and the other half of the context questioning whether resisting "x" falls under resistance to said ability.
Edit: Dark has confirmed her intentions regarding it https://vsbattles.com/threads/first-ln-profile-upgrade-for-mgk.152961/post-5704100 hence the notion I was at fault for taking the comment of of context doesn't even exist anymore
On the other hand, say I did take it out of context, why should that lead to a thread moderator slandering me on a thread I haven't been active on? Calling me a liar, a dingus, a dick, questioning my integrity, claiming I have no scans to back up my arguments when every message I sent with my arguments had scans backing them up, accusing me of working on a CRT with a blatant lack of scans when I specifically outlined I didn't participate in creating it, was busy IRL and will actually be sparse on the thread.
I was doing exactly this until both fuji and glassman actually began slandering me. I tried keeping them as far out of arms reach as possible but it seems glassman has a problem with me despite my attempts to respond to his questions calmly, he in turn always responds to me with unneeded aggression.
On the topic of double standards, I called out the usage of staff votes who weren't around for and didn't respond to any counter arguments on a previous thread. I even asked about it on discord if you were opportune to see it. https://vsbattles.com/threads/maou-...again-for-the-second-time.152860/post-5696650 to which I was responded to with
https://vsbattles.com/threads/maou-...again-for-the-second-time.152860/post-5696632 https://vsbattles.com/goto/post?id=5696632 now that something similar has occured, this is what they have to say https://vsbattles.com/threads/first-ln-profile-upgrade-for-mgk.152961/post-5703920 it's pretty plain to see to see that I'm not accusing anyone of double standards and hypocrisy but rather, there is a blatant case of double standards and hypocrisy.
Go ahead do whatever needs to be done as your Job entails. Thread ban me, sure, I need to concentrate on college stuff anyway, but I'm basically gonna say both fujiwara & Glassman actually need to be thread banned from MGK. Glass is unable to respond to others without clearly intoning his words in an aggressive manner. He is also incapable of speaking to (lemme be honest here) me on a level plane and rather just talks down to me like I'm some inferior species (clear exaggeration). Along with fujiwara constantly strawmanning and stonewalling threads with "muh interpretation" despite evidence to the contrary.
Finally, I'm not addressing this to only CloverDragon by quoting him but to all staff as a whole. I believe there was a thread which got deleted talking about corruption in this community. While I wasn't privy to it and don't know what was actually said that warranted it's deletion but it's pretty clear that something of the sorts is actually going on here and if you continue to rest on your laurels and turn a blind eye to it, no amount of policing and enforcing of rules done inside this community is gonna change the way it's actually viewed outside.
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EldemadeDityjon
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Conceptual Manipulation & Power modification - Goddess of destruction itself is Concepts. Anos converted into his own power. It's falls Under Conceptual Alternations under our current standards.
Her reply here. She tried to twist the words here and cropped the scans in next replies
About my claim of Fuji Double standards here
In my CRT 2 staff even accepted Order as CM type 1 so we were trying to give orders based powers as CM type 1. But Fuji claimed like Not all order are type 1 where you can clearly below in my scans where she supported her favourite verse saying whatever powers comes from names is CM type 1 just because name is accepted as CM type 1.
Well it isn't going anywhere i guess. Anyway I am just providing proof for why I accused hsr of using double standards and headcanons. I will leave this thing to staffs.
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As someone who assisted in creating that thread about names concept type 1, I would like to share my perspective on this situation, regarding name downgrade.
I'm the one that suggested such an option since if the staff agreed on MGK being unqualified for such then me being a former supporter of Touhou knew how that would mean for other verses as I do not like double standards I proposed either Dread or Elde can make the CRt because I'm still occupied with my own verses cosmology CRT.
I decided to just let it be as it is but since Elde is literally being accused of doing such a thing out of spite I have to as one responsible for bringing it up to defend their action in said CRT and as you know I'm the one that stuck to argue (because Elde being a teehee goon forgot to add something in the crt.)
ALSO, THE CHANNEL WHERE WE DISCUSSED IT IS DELETED MFW
TLDR: It wasn't a spite thread. the idea is mine it just so happens they are the ones who made it for me (and I actually found it funny ngl)
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Spite or not, the contexts are what matters. This is exact words from Fuji.
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Thank you for helping out. It is very appreciated.
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What do you think that we should do here? I am not good at evaluating complicated social drama.
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Just a side note, DarkGrath said that the way she made the comment caused the confusion about tatsumi using her argument and she apologized that her comment maded the whole previous discussion regarding the "Taking her comment out of context to support one side argument" so this specific stuff can be settled already...
Now the rest is about the double standards and the manipulation of scans in fujiwara's part.
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Look, we have rules against deliberately instigating drama in our news and announcement forum (or otherwise), and the "corruption" thread that was deleted also just contained a screencapture from an offhanded inaccurate and inappropriate comment by Damage3245, from a thread in which he was allegedly out-argued by other staff members. It was just about getting rid of an unnecessarily unconstructive, incendiary, and destructive thread. That is all.
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@Tatsumi504 i bet you did not read that thread at all, but since I did, i can guarantee it was actually worst thread ever and can't be taken seriously.
In matter of fact, I reported this thread to moderators to delete it (and even told Damage about it).
So no, the deletion was requested by members. There were absolutely nothing to address there as all this claims were unsupported at all.
In matter of fact, I reported this thread to moderators to delete it (and even told Damage about it).
So no, the deletion was requested by members. There were absolutely nothing to address there as all this claims were unsupported at all.
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I'll just say that one comment by me is often wildly taken out of context and used inappropriately by other people. I feel like it was perfectly fine to make at the time from a personal point of view, but it is easily misunderstood by other people who have no context.
So that antagonistic thread someone made where I was mentioned was perfectly fine to be deleted since they were ignorantly instigating friction.
So that antagonistic thread someone made where I was mentioned was perfectly fine to be deleted since they were ignorantly instigating friction.
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I understand that, like I said, I wasn't privy to the context. I wasn't criticising the decision to delete it. At the very least, I'm aware of the screenshot of Damage's comment that's taken out of context.
I merely used that as a preamble to pass a point on
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I ain't reading all dat.
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Let me respond real quick.
First of all, the "cope" wasn't an admission of double standards. Elde attempted to downgrade Touhou's CM using similar logic and was overwhelmingly rejected, so the idea that Touhou got some sort of special treatment is absurd. I just said that as a quick response to something I saw as disingenuous, but there's a whole thread explaining why it's not a double standard lol
Second, I don't really recall any direct aggression from me against Elde or anyone else in that thread. I've tried to stay collected for the most part, though I apologize if I got heated without realizing it.
Also, the scan Elde is using to accuse me of bias says the character in question was erased from existence. That being said, I won't debate verse stuff here.
First of all, the "cope" wasn't an admission of double standards. Elde attempted to downgrade Touhou's CM using similar logic and was overwhelmingly rejected, so the idea that Touhou got some sort of special treatment is absurd. I just said that as a quick response to something I saw as disingenuous, but there's a whole thread explaining why it's not a double standard lol
Second, I don't really recall any direct aggression from me against Elde or anyone else in that thread. I've tried to stay collected for the most part, though I apologize if I got heated without realizing it.
Also, the scan Elde is using to accuse me of bias says the character in question was erased from existence. That being said, I won't debate verse stuff here.
EldemadeDityjon
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Already dereck pointed out. I request appropriate actions you people should take regarding Fuji trying to manipulate scans just to satisfy her claims and double standards she used when participating MGK threads.
Also she tried to report me falsely when Fujiwara is herself at fault.
Additionally she was requesting my thread ban. You can see where this is going. She clearly trying to ban me from MGK threads for no reason even though she herself is fault.
I request appropriate actions should be taken against her for falsely accusing me and trying to thread ban me for no reasons.
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Elde did not do this on own, 3 people (arguably 4 people) were planning to do it and there will be still a follow-up thread after the closed thread.
The only thing Elde did wrong is he can't even structure a proper CRT or arguments (which I still blame him till this day).
There is no “spite” here and either way, (since I am going to use the same words as yours), even if it was, the context in the OP is what matters, not the intention.
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