EldemadeDityjon
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Then why are you even defending her without even knowing if she was trolling or serious. Also this is RVR thread you ain't even staff nor reported person stop the crap.I do not care.
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Then why are you even defending her without even knowing if she was trolling or serious. Also this is RVR thread you ain't even staff nor reported person stop the crap.I do not care.
Because you're making a fool of yourself.Then why are you even defending her without even knowing if she was trolling or serious.
Getting angry at me isn't going to help.Also this is RVR thread you ain't even staff nor reported person stop the crap.
You're not exactly in a position to say this though...
In my defense, it was very funny.You're not exactly in a position to say this though...
I did accused her being double standards and making headcanon you can check the link and scans for proof. She even cropped scans now just to defend herself removing the further explanation in my original scans.You're not exactly in a position to say this though...
Anyways, this should be left to the staff. I haven't looked through what was sent in myselfand Imgur's being a bitch to me for some reason, but this back and forth is unnecessary
I did accused her being double standards and making headcanon you can check the link and scans for proof. She even cropped scans now just to defend herself removing the further explanation in my original scans.
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This should hopefully workBecause of Imgur being Imgur right now, I can't go over Elde's scans
Yes this is true. Her own verse has same explanation even lesser than what MGK provides. She claimed concepts of names giving rise to another concepts of names all falls under CM type 1 just because they are from same thing. When in our thread we claimed concept of order giving bith to another concepts also falls Under same things she started claiming random things. Anyway arguing this topic is not suitable here. I am just explaining what happened.Because of Imgur being Imgur right now, I can't go over Elde's scans, but the one that isn't on Imgur shows Fuji responding the Elde's accusations of double standards with a simple "Cope" message, which I can definitely see as admission of double standards (my brain took it as "yeah it's true, cope, deal with it", essentially, it's kinda hard to phrase what my brain registers tbh). If this wasn't the intention, I apologize, but it definitely came across that way to me.
I'll definitely say that's problematic if it's as you say it is. Though you'd probably want a staff member who's knowledgeable on MGK to verify the truth of this matter.Yes this is true. Her own verse has same explanation even lesser than what MGK provides. She claimed concepts of names giving rise to another concepts of names all falls under CM type 1 just because they are from same thing. When in our thread we claimed concept of order giving bith to another concepts also falls Under same things she started claiming random things. Anyway arguing this topic is not suitable here. I am just explaining what happened.
Oh. If imgur is not working then can't be helped.
Those scans had proof for Fuji cropping scans and supporting her argument where OP has ful scans which has different means and explanation. Additionally she tried to twist the explanation and feats in the series on two occasions.
Like claiming a character was died when originally scan Clearly mentioned as character was contained inside the castle.
When I pointed out she got pissed for me calling that out as headcanon of hers and reported here and again cropped the scans to suit her headcanon and posted in the thread.
Thanks for posting the scans. it seems imgur messing with some regions i guess.
You can check the scan itself above where goddess of destruction was contained in a new form - as demon king castle. It's straightforward statement. She twisted it into character had died in two occasions.I'll definitely say that's problematic if it's as you say it is. Though you'd probably want a staff member who's knowledgeable on MGK to verify the truth of this matter.
Yeah.For now, I'll say this to you, Tatsumi, and Fuji while we wait for other staff to weigh in: It's fiction. It should never be this serious. No amount of power scaling should warrant aggression towards actual people
I can see where Fuji may have gotten this interpretation, as twice it is mentioned that the goddess of destruction was "felled" in some capacity, but with my very limited knowledge, this seems more like "defeated" rather than "killed." That's not even mentioning if this goddess has some type of immortality that lets her come back in a new form or something of the sort. Though I could be missing something.You can check the scan itself above where goddess of destruction was contained in a new form - as demon king castle. It's straightforward statement. She twisted it into character had died in two occasions.
I would have agreed with you if she didn't cropped the scan and ignored the context again even after I pointed it out. This is her reply after I said God was not dead. She didn't bothered to correct herself instead cropped the scan itself and posted it to support her claim.I can see where Fuji may have gotten this interpretation, as twice it is mentioned that the goddess of destruction was "felled" in some capacity, but with my very limited knowledge, this seems more like "defeated" rather than "killed." That's not even mentioning if this goddess has some type of immortality that lets her come back in a new form or something of the sort. Though I could be missing something.
Even so, is there a precedent to assume this was done with ill intent rather than simply being a misinterpretation? (Assuming what you're saying is correct)
Also, from what I've noticed, it seems like Fujiwara's aggression has come later in response to Elde's and now Tatsumi's. I must stress that this could be different if I'm getting my info wrong, but looking at everything, that's what it seems like to me@CloverDragon03 just to add some more context, Elde has been picking a bone with Fuji mostly because of her attempt to question a lot of the stuff MG has on the pages. Case in point when Fujiwara was questioning the concept hax for MG and it got accepted, he tried to retaliate with an exact same thread on Touhou (a series Fuji heavily supports here), which everyone can easily see that he was doing this out of spite. I bring this up to explain where the aggression between the two are coming from.
Could you tell me what this debate involving this goddess's supposed destruction is for? Like, what ability is this debate for? I might be able to better understand this if I know thatI would have agreed with you if she didn't cropped the scan and ignored the context again even after I pointed it out. This is her reply after I said God was not dead. She didn't bothered to correct herself instead cropped the scan itself and posted it to support her claim.
I believe you read the comment so can it be explained to me what I took out of context when the words "clearly literal" was used to confirm what I sent and the other half of the context questioning whether resisting "x" falls under resistance to said ability.I'd say Tatsumi is very much at fault not just because of this, but also because of taking DarkGrath's comment on the thread out of context to support his argument.
I was doing exactly this until both fuji and glassman actually began slandering me. I tried keeping them as far out of arms reach as possible but it seems glassman has a problem with me despite my attempts to respond to his questions calmly, he in turn always responds to me with unneeded aggression.All three need to back off each other as far as I'm concerned.
Conceptual Manipulation & Power modification - Goddess of destruction itself is Concepts. Anos converted into his own power. It's falls Under Conceptual Alternations under our current standards.Could you tell me what this debate involving this goddess's supposed destruction is for? Like, what ability is this debate for? I might be able to better understand this if I know that
This hasn't been discussed at all, so no defense from the OP has been made. In this scan, Anos was able to make the order of destruction his own, by taking the power leaking from Abernyu and creating Venuzdonoa with it. The issue is, Abernyu is dead, so this is more like taking an ambient magical phenomena and manipulating it, not modifying someone else's power.
As someone who assisted in creating that thread about names concept type 1, I would like to share my perspective on this situation, regarding name downgrade.@CloverDragon03 just to add some more context, Elde has been picking a bone with Fuji mostly because of her attempt to question a lot of the stuff MG has on the pages. Case in point when Fujiwara was questioning the concept hax for MG and it got accepted, he tried to retaliate with an exact same thread on Touhou (a series Fuji heavily supports here), which everyone can easily see that he was doing this out of spite. I bring this up to explain where the aggression between the two are coming from.
Thank you for helping out. It is very appreciated.Okay, so Imgur's being an absolute goon and not working for me right now, so I can't sift through everything. However, what is available tells me the following:
There's noticeable aggression from everyone participating in that thread. I'd say Tatsumi is very much at fault not just because of this, but also because of taking DarkGrath's comment on the thread out of context to support his argument. Elde, on the other hand, hasn't done something like this but there's clear aggression on his end. I'd say the same goes for Fuji too. It honestly seems like MGK is just bringing out the worst of all sides on this front. Something needs to be done about this, I'd say, since otherwise it'll just continue happening. All three need to back off each other as far as I'm concerned.
Because of Imgur being Imgur right now, I can't go over Elde's scans, but the one that isn't on Imgur shows Fuji responding the Elde's accusations of double standards with a simple "Cope" message, which I can definitely see as admission of double standards (my brain took it as "yeah it's true, cope, deal with it", essentially, it's kinda hard to phrase what my brain registers tbh). If this wasn't the intention, I apologize, but it definitely came across that way to me.
Just a side note, DarkGrath said that the way she made the comment caused the confusion about tatsumi using her argument and she apologized that her comment maded the whole previous discussion regarding the "Taking her comment out of context to support one side argument" so this specific stuff can be settled already...Tatsumi is very much at fault not just because of this, but also because of taking DarkGrath's comment on the thread out of context to support his argument
Look, we have rules against deliberately instigating drama in our news and announcement forum (or otherwise), and the "corruption" thread that was deleted also just contained a screencapture from an offhanded inaccurate and inappropriate comment by Damage3245, from a thread in which he was allegedly out-argued by other staff members. It was just about getting rid of an unnecessarily unconstructive, incendiary, and destructive thread. That is all.Finally, I'm not addressing this to only CloverDragon by quoting him but to all staff as a whole. I believe there was a thread which got deleted talking about corruption in this community. While I wasn't privy to it and don't know what was actually said that warranted it's deletion but it's pretty clear that something of the sorts is actually going on here and if you continue to rest on your laurels and turn a blind eye to it, no amount of policing and enforcing of rules done inside this community is gonna change the way it's actually viewed outside.
I understand that, like I said, I wasn't privy to the context. I wasn't criticising the decision to delete it. At the very least, I'm aware of the screenshot of Damage's comment that's taken out of context.Look, we have rules against deliberately instigating drama in our news and announcement forum (or otherwise), and the "corruption" thread that was deleted also just contained a screencapture from an offhanded inaccurate and inappropriate comment by Damage3245, from a thread in which he was allegedly out-argued by other staff members. It was just about getting rid of an unnecessarily unconstructive, incendiary, and destructive thread. That is all.
I ain't reading all dat.What do you think that we should do here? I am not good at evaluating complicated social drama.
Hmm. Anybody else? We still need to try to figure out how to solve this mess.
Now the rest is about the double standards and the manipulation of scans in fujiwara's part.
Elde did not do this on own, 3 people (arguably 4 people) were planning to do it and there will be still a follow-up thread after the closed thread.First of all, the "cope" wasn't an admission of double standards. Elde attempted to downgrade Touhou's CM using similar logic and was overwhelmingly rejected, so the idea that Touhou got some sort of special treatment is absurd. I just said that as a quick response to something I saw as disingenuous, but there's a whole thread explaining why it's not a double standard lol