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which is why competence shouldnt be brought up because there are really no grounds to it
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i dont think u quite understood what i was trying to say but thats fine because i worded it terribly and thats on me but even if i steel man this ive still done nothing offensive
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I do agree with Bambu that the initial report wasn't very organized and most of his comments aren't hostile per say; however, he also acknowledged that Vzearr is still in the wrong for consistently spamming poor quality threads despite being told multiple times to slow down or stop. But otherwise, pestering people in DMs and continued when they admitted multiple times that they are tired of it is also wrong. And the Jojo example as well as Page 4 of the Black Clover thread are examples where he straight up has shown little to no common sense. And there has been too much burden of proof fallacy being thrown around yes.
But at the same time, our staff should know better not to spam "LOL" on their message wall as Propellus pointed out and that KingTempest especially shouldn't be making rude metaphors towards the very beginning of the thread as Bambu pointed out.
Also, it is the rules that regular uses should avoid bombarding the RVR thread before staff have a chance to evaluate the situation as literally each and every single posts just gives them more work to look at.
But at the same time, our staff should know better not to spam "LOL" on their message wall as Propellus pointed out and that KingTempest especially shouldn't be making rude metaphors towards the very beginning of the thread as Bambu pointed out.
Also, it is the rules that regular uses should avoid bombarding the RVR thread before staff have a chance to evaluate the situation as literally each and every single posts just gives them more work to look at.
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Appreciate that, intended to get to the rest later but since you've highlighted an area of particular concern, I've gone ahead and looked through it. Compared to the others, I would agree- this is Vzearr's worst behavior in terms of outright rudeness. I will note that Vzearr is not on the Warning Tracker, and so I would disagree with a ban being doled out for this, especially given the other interactions Vzearr has had, but I would at the very least agree with a warning for his behavior in this, specific, thread.
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I also agree that Vzearr should just get a warning at this point, and probably some advice to stop creating so many hasty revision threads.
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I want to add something that it’s not related to his behavior but the integrity of his threads.
He’s not trying to fix the calculation, he’s just downgrading for the sake of it.
After @Chariot190 told him we’re not using X calc anymore, he said he has something else to downgrade the feat. If he’s so sure about this he should’ve added that to the thread.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/delete.164865/post-6384345
For a user that his whole purpose is to downgrade things regardless of the verse, doing it for the sake of downgrading isn’t how we operate and will make him a hated figure among everyone who likes those verses.
He’s not trying to fix the calculation, he’s just downgrading for the sake of it.
After @Chariot190 told him we’re not using X calc anymore, he said he has something else to downgrade the feat. If he’s so sure about this he should’ve added that to the thread.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/delete.164865/post-6384345
For a user that his whole purpose is to downgrade things regardless of the verse, doing it for the sake of downgrading isn’t how we operate and will make him a hated figure among everyone who likes those verses.
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Before doing all this threads his mentality should change from “I want to downgrade this calc so bad” to “I’ll fix this calc”
We don’t operate using our bias, otherwise I’d be downgrading every single calc from a verse I don’t like with minor nitpicks.
This dude is going to get a lot of reports if he keeps this mentality and how he attacks a variety of verses with all different kind of people supporting it.
We don’t operate using our bias, otherwise I’d be downgrading every single calc from a verse I don’t like with minor nitpicks.
This dude is going to get a lot of reports if he keeps this mentality and how he attacks a variety of verses with all different kind of people supporting it.
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What M3X said. Which is why I warned Vzearr to cover all his tracks and thoroughly research the verses he makes CRTs (As well as the wiki policies and rules for calculations, scaling, outliers and whatever else) for to make sure there were no gaping holes left in them and that they were 100% bulletproof so that people couldn't pull up concerns about them and if they could, it could be easily resolved with a simple explanation. But he has done no such thing from my experience with him and his CRTs, and the JoJo thread made it blatantly visible for all to see.
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Dumb question, If i have reported a user for vandalising a profile in the vandalazing report thread, Do i need to make the user report here or?
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You then immediately pulled out a "There is something else wrong with this feat". This is an incredibly scummy thing to do after realizing a downgrade CRT you made is not going your way, and you did this firstly in the OP thread when everyone straight up disagreed with your methods, and there is a high probability that this could potentially happen again based on what M3X has stated (And I am heavily inclined to trust him because he has faced such scummy behavior before in the past, not to mention his far greater experience with evaluation and scaling of HST calcs than even I could muster because nobody else would evaluate these feats with a 10-meter pole). Not even moments before the thread closed you responded with how you had to do a JoJo thread and then gave up on the OP thread completely saying you couldn't be bothered to do the research because you don't care about OP scaling. And then you basically pull out of JoJo saying there's something wrong with it and in both cases you never care to elaborate what the new issues are so that we could resolve them. What kind of message do you think does this give to the rest of the people, regardless of your intentions?
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You misinterpreted what I said.
Why would I do it again if I run the risk of being banned? That would make no sense.
I didn't need to do research for the OP thread, it was a pretty simple debunk. Unless you're talking about the anime changing things from the manga, which was an incredibly small part of my thread.
Why would I elaborate in a calc group thread? You know giving up on a thread doesn't mean you don't care about the verses scaling. It means either you were wrong or you're never going to get your point across so you give up on the thread (end it).
You've just completely misunderstood my intentions (likely because you despise me).
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There is no misinterpretation to be had here. You did not make a CRT out of good intentions. Hell, you closed a CRT out of impure intentions. Twice.
Because your actions show you are not sincere about your work and you don't care if a calculation is right or wrong. You just run on personal bias and will find any way possible to make your arguments stick even when everyone else is telling you "No, it won't fly here".
Yeah no, that goes against the very ethics of making CRTs on this wiki, we've banned people for straight up making dogshite CRTs with barely any effort or when they incessantly posted useless reddit threads. Heck, we even banned a guy for trying to bullrush a CRT when the entire verse was in the process of being revised for a major overhaul with significantly more experienced members involved in the process and bullrushing it would've jeopardized all their efforts.
You can't be serious.
Elaboration is the name of the game in a calc group thread. If you can't back up your assumptions with proper evidence (This goes double for a calc group thread) you're asking for your CRT to be nigh-unanimously rejected without a single person giving a care in the world to what you think.
You literally said so yourself, that you don't care about OP scaling. Why are you lying now?
You already lied about "Just because I gave up on the thread doesn't mean I don't care about the verse's scaling", you're gonna lie to me about this now? Seriously?
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Who are you to call my intentions? I'm telling you I did it because I thought the calc was flawed and you're saying "nah you did it to downgrade" because I said I was wrong but I have another debunk?
What bias? If I think its wrong then I'll make a thread to discuss it.
I'll just make them better then I guess? I put effort in my threads tbh, If I see a problem I state it.
Okay that's my bad. I should have added an 'anymore' because after 5 pages of debating I didn't care for OP scaling. But, the fact that I debated over it for 5 pages shows I did care for the scaling, initially.
"I don't despise you", Also you: Complains about me in the pet peeve thread and then sends me a 5 paragraph essay detailing why you hate me.
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Me? I'm a CGM. It's our job to see if you're making a CRT out of pure intentions or just for spite. And we've honed this experience for years at a time to ensure all CRTs pass fairly with as little conflict as possible.
Because that's exactly what you did twice in a row and never bothered to explain what those debunks were when I asked for them. You just had the thread closed.
Clover, M3X and I have made it abundantly clear to you in the prior comments. If you still can't see where you did wrong then that's your problem, not mine.
You think you can just say this after all the problems you caused the people here listed out, without suffering from some consequences? Staff have already given you a third warning and were even contemplating giving you a topic ban to not make such CRTs in the first place.
That still doesn't excuse what you did, stop trying to exonerate yourself.
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One last thing, do not try to pester me or anyone else involved with your threads in their Message Walls and DMs regarding these topics, as we are tired of repeating ourselves over and over again. This is in the hands of the thread mods and admins now, not you, me, Clover, M3X or anyone else who engaged with you who isn't a thread mod or an admin. Failure to do so will be seen as an act of harassment and disrupting wiki activities.
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I'm not sure I follow the reasoning of the last few posts. If you are in a position where you make a thread to criticise a feat, your criticism is disproven, and in the process you realise there could be another worthwhile criticism, it'd be natural to ask for the thread to be closed so you can make a new thread to detail your new criticism. I do believe this adds onto the underlying issue of frequent poor-quality CRTs, but the assertion here that this comment indicating he wanted to make a new thread proved Vzearr was just pushing a downgrading agenda seems like a stretch. Not to mention, in the context of the troubles with the other CRTs, it's to-be-expected that issues would arise like having an easily debunked thread before they had thought through every alternate argument. I have more than enough experience with insincere debating tactics - and more than enough headaches in dealing with them - to call them out when I see them, but I'm not so convinced that's what happening here. That being said, there is still the problem of frequently posting poor quality CRTs, and I would support a warning as with the other staff for this.
I would like to add, since it was brought up in passing, that I would also support a warning for Luci5678 on the basis of his behaviour on many of the same threads as Vzearr. Full disclosure - while it would be inappropriate to share details, Luci5678 did quite recently come to me with an HR report, which I rejected, and he seemed upset about the matter. I mention this not because the HR report is tied to this case, but because it could be taken (by Luci or others) as a source of bias on my part, so I feel it would be disingenuous to occlude it. Independently of that matter, however, Luci's conduct on many of these threads has a lot of room for improvement - the majority of his posts have been instances of throwing dirt at whomever he is debating with, most notably by accusing them of using fallacies (often very clearly without knowing what the fallacies in question are, but I digress) and proceeding to double-down and take on a patronizing and mocking tone whenever someone calls him out for it. For a user with not even a hundred comments on the forum thus far, the fact that such a pattern has already been established - and that he's caused troubles for many people already through this pattern - is something I believe needs to be nicked in the bud. I would support a strong warning for his conduct.
I would like to add, since it was brought up in passing, that I would also support a warning for Luci5678 on the basis of his behaviour on many of the same threads as Vzearr. Full disclosure - while it would be inappropriate to share details, Luci5678 did quite recently come to me with an HR report, which I rejected, and he seemed upset about the matter. I mention this not because the HR report is tied to this case, but because it could be taken (by Luci or others) as a source of bias on my part, so I feel it would be disingenuous to occlude it. Independently of that matter, however, Luci's conduct on many of these threads has a lot of room for improvement - the majority of his posts have been instances of throwing dirt at whomever he is debating with, most notably by accusing them of using fallacies (often very clearly without knowing what the fallacies in question are, but I digress) and proceeding to double-down and take on a patronizing and mocking tone whenever someone calls him out for it. For a user with not even a hundred comments on the forum thus far, the fact that such a pattern has already been established - and that he's caused troubles for many people already through this pattern - is something I believe needs to be nicked in the bud. I would support a strong warning for his conduct.
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ive justified every question beg that yall have done and i only get 'upset' because i expected more from the people of this website and my experience is just a bunch of no's and not really any reasoning or arguments. I would like to make another crt to show that i actually can when taken somewhat seriously but some other thread mod i think said i had to wait two months even though it was different reasoning
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Strongly agreed. Bullying is not something that we should engage in in this community, especially not staff members.
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For the record, I personally think that Bambu's, Damage3245's, and DarkGrath's evaluations have made the most sense above thus far.
An official warning and proper (polite) instructions regarding how our community is intended to function, seem sufficient here, and any bullying needs to stop, both here and elsewhere.
An official warning and proper (polite) instructions regarding how our community is intended to function, seem sufficient here, and any bullying needs to stop, both here and elsewhere.
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I share the same sentiments. It was brought up before that Vzearr had received two warnings before, but neither of those were official warnings (as evidenced by neither being on the Warning Tracker) so I don't think those hold up. Even if a ban were to be enacted, I feel like 2 months would've been too much given what we've done for other offenses in the past.
A second warning for Luci also makes sense to me.
A second warning for Luci also makes sense to me.
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i just made a match for the non smurf list and @Jozaysmith? came out of nowhere and said this to me
"Can you stop opening stupid shit all the time are you that jobless this is like the 5th vsthread on slime you're doing, knowing how some of the outcomes will work out, its annoying"
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what the fk man
"Can you stop opening stupid shit all the time are you that jobless this is like the 5th vsthread on slime you're doing, knowing how some of the outcomes will work out, its annoying"
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bro this match is for the non smurf list https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Baal,_The_Gate_of_Hell vs https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rimuru_Tempest_(Light_Novel) SBA Speed Equal
what the fk man
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That was a pretty instant unleashing of rudeness. You did react poorly, mind, but in this instance, given the 0-to-60 nature of the initial aggression, I think a kneejerk reaction isn't the worst one might expect of someone being accosted like that. Do try to be more patient in the future, or to just immediately shut down and send it here, lest it get into the discussion of "who was more wrong, someone who attacked or someone who attacked back worse".i just made a match for the non smurf list and @Jozaysmith? came out of nowhere and said this to me
"Can you stop opening stupid shit all the time are you that jobless this is like the 5th vsthread on slime you're doing, knowing how some of the outcomes will work out, its annoying"
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bro this match is for the non smurf list https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Baal,_The_Gate_of_Hell vs https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Rimuru_Tempest_(Light_Novel) SBA Speed Equal
what the fk man
@Jozaysmith? Play nice or refrain from posting. You have no warnings up to this point on the tracker for this sort of poor behavior so a warning this will remain.
(This is a fairly minor issue, one feels, but if other staff feel the need to weigh in, they of course may do so)
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He does have unofficial warnings by you for being unnecessarily aggressive towards maou supporters and accusing dereck of using staff position to wank verses.
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I admit, my memory sucks ass and I'd forgotten, although informal warnings are meant to be small enough that they won't contribute to a ban in the future. If you'd like, you could link me to them to refresh my memory, may change how I perceive this all, though.
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Alright, my bad.
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Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread
Cap, wankers not working. No wanking material for another month, If JNCs schedule stays same
Edit: his RVR discussion went to several ******* pages what the hell. I'll just link one post among all.
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I put it on the op as soon as Deagon explicitly stated his stance. again, that is not vote manipulation. i know how this user operates, they would have definitely called it vote manipulation if i added a staff member who seemed to approve but not state directly if they agree or not. Still...
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I do recall now. He apologized shortly after that.
I will stand by my judgement for now but for future reference, if someone clicks the Warning Tracker link and reads through this: the next similar outburst ought to be considered the establishment of a trend.
I will stand by my judgement for now but for future reference, if someone clicks the Warning Tracker link and reads through this: the next similar outburst ought to be considered the establishment of a trend.
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This case have died out like months ago, are you trying to achieve something?This is after a slime thread rejection. Also that him being grossed out of banner that dereck had was found out to be not true since before this comment of his he was asking dereck for "Sauce" of the banner. You gave him warning in the latter page of this. He also was on close call to get banned because of targetting dereck but dereck forgave him, I'll link the RVR report in few minutes here by editting it this post.Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread
Cap, wankers not working. No wanking material for another month, If JNCs schedule stays same
Edit: his RVR discussion went to several ******* pages what the hell. I'll just link one post among all.
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I put it on the op as soon as Deagon explicitly stated his stance. again, that is not vote manipulation. i know how this user operates, they would have definitely called it vote manipulation if i added a staff member who seemed to approve but not state directly if they agree or not. Still...
Infact it was brought up like 3 more times in the past, but it was all handled by ant and other mods, so idk why you want to ressurect the dead, you sound like you spite me, which i understand anyways lol, good day.
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Listen.
You need to stop responding like that.
Reiner was asked to bring up an old case because I had forgotten it. I already stated that it seemed as though you repented then and thus would not consider it significant enough to alter the ruling. This isn't a witch hunt or whatever else you might be labeling it as, this is due process and Reiner simply helped in that. The aggressive, immediate reaction is rarely the acceptable one. Please think about that before replying.
You need to stop responding like that.
Reiner was asked to bring up an old case because I had forgotten it. I already stated that it seemed as though you repented then and thus would not consider it significant enough to alter the ruling. This isn't a witch hunt or whatever else you might be labeling it as, this is due process and Reiner simply helped in that. The aggressive, immediate reaction is rarely the acceptable one. Please think about that before replying.
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I understand now, thanks.
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reporting @Chandra0706 for continuing to call people stupid in this thread he made
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Are this novel is allowed to be in Vsbw? Mmorpg : Isekai World Online
Are this allowed ? Webnovel name : Mmorpg : Isekai World Online Problem : havent read it... but the author seems know about some powerfull stuff, and the author is same as created web novel called the great witch of magic academy Link character afbw...
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to add to this, they also seem to be threatening to report people that disagree with them.reporting @Chandra0706 for continuing to call people stupid in this thread he made
Are this novel is allowed to be in Vsbw? Mmorpg : Isekai World Online
Are this allowed ? Webnovel name : Mmorpg : Isekai World Online Problem : havent read it... but the author seems know about some powerfull stuff, and the author is same as created web novel called the great witch of magic academy Link character afbw...
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and they have also been continuing to insult people throughout the thread.
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