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Rukia vs Yamamoto
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Rukia shit herself at the idea of fighting Yamamoto so she use bankai instantly and one shot with AZ.
Yamamoto probably wouldn't use his ranged EE as a first action as even against a hated ennemy he kept it for last , and he shouldn't have intel on this rukia's new shikai/bankai so he might underestimate her.
voting rukia
Yamamoto probably wouldn't use his ranged EE as a first action as even against a hated ennemy he kept it for last , and he shouldn't have intel on this rukia's new shikai/bankai so he might underestimate her.
voting rukia
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Hit her with his EE sword from a distance , that would seal the match too but it's unlikely he will use it before rukia AZ him .
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oh yeah , my bad i confused the two key... forget what i said , it's a stomp in rukia's favor .
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Personally I don't see how we can say Rukia can defeat the captain commander.
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Because AZ is op ? If yama had knowledge of her shikai/bankai he could fight around it , but as is , he get caught off guard by her bankai aoe and die .
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Yama isn't some reckless fodder he's the leader of the Shinigami, he has the advantage in everything including range.
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he maintly fight in close quarter and you know it . So he will come at her , thinking he can melt any ice her zanpakuto may try to create but then get AZ'd.
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Are they starting in Base?
Only way Rukia wins is if she starts in Bankai and Yamamoto doesn't. Even then, Yamamoto's Shikai heat might be able to prevent him from being frozen anyway.
If Yamamoto starts in Bankai then there's really nothing Rukia can do, she isn't freezing somebody that is passively 15,000,000 Degrees and she can't even approach him without dying.
Even if you ignore everything above, he still beats her in every single category.
Only way Rukia wins is if she starts in Bankai and Yamamoto doesn't. Even then, Yamamoto's Shikai heat might be able to prevent him from being frozen anyway.
If Yamamoto starts in Bankai then there's really nothing Rukia can do, she isn't freezing somebody that is passively 15,000,000 Degrees and she can't even approach him without dying.
Even if you ignore everything above, he still beats her in every single category.
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Yama stomps. He scales above her even in shikai, and to my knowledge under standard battle assumptions he'd just flex stomp her
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In the manga it's stated that even the two strongest ice bankai's are rendered infective as soon as his bankai is released
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That was stated before Rukia and Toshiro got major buffs. Rukia got Absolute Zero and Toshiro could powernull people who scale above Bankai Yama. In terms of this fight, Yama can't really get around absolute zero unless you say everyone who's relative to or stronger than Rukia has passive or active AZ resistance with their Reiatsu like As Nodt and Byakuya
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For Toshiro to ahcive his buff he has to enter his bankai first which means no petals no buff and Rukia while she was buffed she also has too enter absolute zero which is really when yama is bankai or shika
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At the end of the day its all Reiatsu. Toshiro's manifests itself as weather manipulation and ice generation, Rukia's manifests itself as temperature manipulation. Yamamoto has the elemental advantage but in theory if ones Reiatsu is significantly higher they can overcome it. Though in this case Rukia isnt significantly higher. Its just absolute zero is kinda haxed
She'd have to get close or leave herself vulnerable to hit, but if she does she'd be able to win. Yama has her beat in just aboht every category though, making AZ her only win condition as he's got his swordsmanship, fire and heat, Kido, and superior stats to fall back on
She'd have to get close or leave herself vulnerable to hit, but if she does she'd be able to win. Yama has her beat in just aboht every category though, making AZ her only win condition as he's got his swordsmanship, fire and heat, Kido, and superior stats to fall back on
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Her only win con is if she go bankai instantly and hit him with the AOE .
yes , she could damage yama with her AZ shikai , but she won't land any hits on him while in shikai , let's be real .
yes , she could damage yama with her AZ shikai , but she won't land any hits on him while in shikai , let's be real .
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The flames of Yamamoto Bankai are his reiatsu in the form of flames, his reiatsu is way higher than hers even in Shikai. He has the advantage here, also he defeated As Nodt and other Quincys at the same time with only one hit from the flames of his Shikai and Rukia needed to go Bankai to defeat As Nodt. Aizen stated that in Bleach universe everything is about reaiatsu, if your reiatsu is way higher than your opponent, than nothing he throw at you will work.
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As much as I like Rukia, there's nothing she can do, even with AZ. Like it's been stated, battles between Shinigami are clases of Reiatsu. When there's enough a difference in strength, the stronger can just use their Reiatsu to overpower their opponent's, negating their abilities.
This is show when Aizen straight up negged Sui-Feng's Nigeki Kessatsu despite her meeting the conditions for an instant kill.
If Rukia was closer to the Soutaicho in strength, well, she would win out cuz fire isn't working at AZ temperatures. But that's not the case so, yeah, this is a stomp.
This is show when Aizen straight up negged Sui-Feng's Nigeki Kessatsu despite her meeting the conditions for an instant kill.
If Rukia was closer to the Soutaicho in strength, well, she would win out cuz fire isn't working at AZ temperatures. But that's not the case so, yeah, this is a stomp.
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Unless yama have proof of resisting AZ , then he is toasted if she hit him with it .
That is how it work here. AZ is dura negg.
That is how it work here. AZ is dura negg.
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As Nodt and shikai Byakuya were able to resist it and they're alot weaker. Characters that scale to those 2 should be able to resist it due to the nature of the series. Logically speaking there should be no reason why only those 2 have some special kind of resistance to AZ when they're not exactly special compared to anyone else when it comes to cold and temperatureNaeblis495 said:
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Quincies have Blut , that could explain things . You can't just hand over resistances like that without feats .
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It's not about resistances. It's about how Reiatsu itself works. If there's a big enough difference between two shinigami, the stronger one can nullify the effects of their opponent's powers. Aizen did this to Sui-Feng. He doesn't have resistance to poison but he stopped the poison of her shikai.Naeblis495 said:
Yamamoto can literally use his Reiatsu to supress the effects of Rukia's.
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You still need feats.The aizen thingy is incredibly iffy to use as we have no idea what really happened as they were under KS and fighting Hinamori.
Rukia was crushing base As nodt easily in shikai , easily blitzing and harming him even without AZ, proving that she was the stronger of the two and yet Az nodt resisted the effect .
See ? a weaker opponent resisted AZ , because he have resistance to it , and most likely via Blut as it is their defense. Power isn't a factor , resistance is what matter .
Yamamotto have no feat of ever shrugging off AZ , so he is dead if it him . That is it .
Rukia was crushing base As nodt easily in shikai , easily blitzing and harming him even without AZ, proving that she was the stronger of the two and yet Az nodt resisted the effect .
See ? a weaker opponent resisted AZ , because he have resistance to it , and most likely via Blut as it is their defense. Power isn't a factor , resistance is what matter .
Yamamotto have no feat of ever shrugging off AZ , so he is dead if it him . That is it .
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Scaling powers and abilities that are universal to the verse. Which is why these exist for most or all shinigami universally even though not all have explicitly shown itNaeblis495 said:
Spiritual Awareness (Can see invisible spirits and objects), Extrasensory Perception (Can sense beings with Reiatsu), Longevity, Can take his reiryoku and exert it as reiatsu, Statistics Amplification (Can use Shunpo to boost his speed), Dimensional Travel (With Senkaimon), BFR (Shinigami can transfer the souls of the dead to either Soul Society or Hell depending on the deeds they've committed when they were alive with their Zanpakuto), Soul Manipulation (Shinigami can directly damage souls with their Zanpakutō), Invisibility, Non-Physical Interaction (Can harm and interact with intangible spirits and objects), Overwhelming Aura (Spiritual pressure can passively induce ailments ranging from paralysis to fear inducement)
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Most of those where displayed to some deggree by everyone in the cast . They have feats. The only one that is not displayed by everyone is the soul BFR. But it was displayed and stated MANY time that all zanpakuto can do that .
The only time where what you claim happened is when Aizen bamboozeled everyone under KS , making his statement incredibly hard to rely on as we don't know what exactly happened . For all we know , Sui feng could have stabbed the air and heard a speech by aizen via KS sensory manip while aizen was sipping tea and eating popcorn .
Never again in the serie was it displayed , making it even more doubtfull to accord resistance to all hax if they are stronger than their opponent .
The only time where what you claim happened is when Aizen bamboozeled everyone under KS , making his statement incredibly hard to rely on as we don't know what exactly happened . For all we know , Sui feng could have stabbed the air and heard a speech by aizen via KS sensory manip while aizen was sipping tea and eating popcorn .
Never again in the serie was it displayed , making it even more doubtfull to accord resistance to all hax if they are stronger than their opponent .
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what a stupid thread, vs profiles aside we know who would win this narratively.
Yamamoto is a monster among monsters.
Yamamoto is a monster among monsters.
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Kenpachi vs Ichigo was actually the first time we heard about the "battles of Reiatsu" thing, and Aizen was actually the second. Also, when he was fighting, Gin explained that the Espada and such didn't fear him becase of KS, but because of his actual strength and combat ability.
And then there's the thing with Quincies not being able to steal the Bankai of people who have higher Reiatsu than them, but if the have comparable or higher Reiatsu they can subjugate the Bankai to serve them against their will.
Then there's the infamous Reiatsu Crush. We can't deny that it plays an extreme role
but back on topic, Yama has more win conditions being....basically all his skills, while Rukia only has 1 that requires her getting close
And then there's the thing with Quincies not being able to steal the Bankai of people who have higher Reiatsu than them, but if the have comparable or higher Reiatsu they can subjugate the Bankai to serve them against their will.
Then there's the infamous Reiatsu Crush. We can't deny that it plays an extreme role
but back on topic, Yama has more win conditions being....basically all his skills, while Rukia only has 1 that requires her getting close
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That was for durability , not hax . Hell,mayuri who have incredibly less power than post unohana training kenpatchi could still easily use Ashisogojizo and paralyze him. Where was zaraki incredible reiatsu there huh ?Jo-Smooth said:
Yeah , all it say is that aizen is powerfull , not that he can lolnope all hax of those inferior to him.
No ? They can steal any bankai they want , they just can't use them if they're not strong enough . That is what Yhwach say , any quincy could steal yama bankai at any point , but only him could control it's power .
RC was accepted to be hax and need hax resistance to counter . Just like AZ. Just like any hax.
Anyone without soul manip resistance die instantly to RC , anyone without AZ resistance die instantly if hit by an AZ attack . That is how it work .
I completly agree that yama will win 9.9 out 10 matches against rukia if both are serious . I'm just saying that IF yama just stand there and let himself be hit by her AZ for whetever reason, then he will die . Rukia have her chances here as she would go bankai pretty quickly , if not instantly as she face the freacking head captain , this combined with yama lack of knowledge of her new AZ hax , could spell his doom .
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The fact that Yhwach flat out said that he was the only one capable of controling Yamamoto's Bankai is all the proof you need. To show you one needs comparble spirtual to control a shingami's bankai in order to use it properly and the fact Yhwach told Ryoad did not to steal it pretty much confirms that the quicny would likely be unable to steal the bankai at best or would lose contol over it and die. Sort of what happens when some shingami like how ichigo and Renji lose control over their own bankai but worse.
Not only that but you overrely on feats and complety ignore charater statments on how the spirtual mechinics powers work to support your own argument. along with other feats in the series.
Yes it is very likely Aizen was lying about him negating Soifons posion. But since we don't know for sure he is lying or not and given that Aizen is shown negating and nothing else seems to condtrdic his point. We can only assum that he is likly telling the truth. Unless stated in the manga otherwise.
You argue that only As Nodt and Byuakyua are compale of reisisting AZ because they are the only ones showing it. Even when it has never been stated that either of these charaters have resistence to AZ. Given that As Nodt broken it out of sheer will power and Byuakya himself got himself forzen by merly touching rukia.
Not only that But AZ itself isn't even that broken as it is merly the maxuim of what can be forzen and anything that is able of producing enough to overcome the cold from absorbing all the heat in ones body. can in fact resist abosulte zero. if not flat no sell it.
Your entire argument if flawed because you assum that Asnolt and Byukuyka are the only ones capable of reisisting AZ becasue they show they can resist it even when it is possible that other charaters that are fully capable of doing that.
It is no different then saying that Toshiro can kill Yamamoto with just like his shikai because he never shown reisistence to water and ice before. Even when it is very likely that wont be due to his superior spirtual power.
And since blunt is a techinque that uses spirtual particls in the air and channels through ones blood stream to increase a quincys defense. Asnolt likley used that along with his own spirtual power to break himself out of the ice and if he could do that with spirtual power there is nothing to deny that other sternritter or any other powerful spirtual would do the same thing
Not only that but you overrely on feats and complety ignore charater statments on how the spirtual mechinics powers work to support your own argument. along with other feats in the series.
Yes it is very likely Aizen was lying about him negating Soifons posion. But since we don't know for sure he is lying or not and given that Aizen is shown negating and nothing else seems to condtrdic his point. We can only assum that he is likly telling the truth. Unless stated in the manga otherwise.
You argue that only As Nodt and Byuakyua are compale of reisisting AZ because they are the only ones showing it. Even when it has never been stated that either of these charaters have resistence to AZ. Given that As Nodt broken it out of sheer will power and Byuakya himself got himself forzen by merly touching rukia.
Not only that But AZ itself isn't even that broken as it is merly the maxuim of what can be forzen and anything that is able of producing enough to overcome the cold from absorbing all the heat in ones body. can in fact resist abosulte zero. if not flat no sell it.
Your entire argument if flawed because you assum that Asnolt and Byukuyka are the only ones capable of reisisting AZ becasue they show they can resist it even when it is possible that other charaters that are fully capable of doing that.
It is no different then saying that Toshiro can kill Yamamoto with just like his shikai because he never shown reisistence to water and ice before. Even when it is very likely that wont be due to his superior spirtual power.
And since blunt is a techinque that uses spirtual particls in the air and channels through ones blood stream to increase a quincys defense. Asnolt likley used that along with his own spirtual power to break himself out of the ice and if he could do that with spirtual power there is nothing to deny that other sternritter or any other powerful spirtual would do the same thing
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If yama had statements about resisting AZ or hax in general with sheer power , then that would a different story .
Your argument is flawed because it is based on shaky stuff at best and based on nothing at worst .
We saw that toshiro's ice isn't that lethal , at best he can trap people inside when he is not stomping his opponent . And it's been proven that even his bankai is unusable if yama use his own .
AZ neg durability , it's more than just really really cold , Toshiro's ice have no chance of doing as much damage as AZ with just his ice , even in adult form. Rukia on the other hand , can damage a tier 3 with her AZ if he doesn't resist .
"Absolute Zero is the point of cold at which enthalpy and entropy hit their minimum level. It is the ultimate form of freezing and in the theoretical situation that someone is exposed to it, their body will be frozen at the atomic level before collapsing under their own mass since the loss of energy causes the atoms to lose their cohesiveness. Due to the nature of the ability working on the atomic level, it can be considered a form of Durability Negation, ignoring conventional defenses unless a character is shown to be able to resist such attacks"
You can't just hand over resistance without feats or clear uncontradicted statements . And Yama have none of these .
Your argument is flawed because it is based on shaky stuff at best and based on nothing at worst .
We saw that toshiro's ice isn't that lethal , at best he can trap people inside when he is not stomping his opponent . And it's been proven that even his bankai is unusable if yama use his own .
AZ neg durability , it's more than just really really cold , Toshiro's ice have no chance of doing as much damage as AZ with just his ice , even in adult form. Rukia on the other hand , can damage a tier 3 with her AZ if he doesn't resist .
"Absolute Zero is the point of cold at which enthalpy and entropy hit their minimum level. It is the ultimate form of freezing and in the theoretical situation that someone is exposed to it, their body will be frozen at the atomic level before collapsing under their own mass since the loss of energy causes the atoms to lose their cohesiveness. Due to the nature of the ability working on the atomic level, it can be considered a form of Durability Negation, ignoring conventional defenses unless a character is shown to be able to resist such attacks"
You can't just hand over resistance without feats or clear uncontradicted statements . And Yama have none of these .
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If yama had statements about resisting AZ or hax in general with sheer power , then that would a different story .
You do not need another statment from another charater when they have the same power type power that is stated to reisist hax.
Your argument is flawed because it is based on shaky stuff at best and based on nothing at worst .
So is yours since you are saying that Yamamoto can only hax resistenst unless he shown or stated it. Even when the series itself stated that any one with superior spirtual power can resist hax.
We saw that toshiro's ice isn't that lethal , at best he can trap people inside when he is not stomping his opponent . And it's been proven that even his bankai is unusable if yama use his own .
Toshirous Zanpaktou has been shown to kill Shawlong in battle by literaly breaking his body apart after it was frozen in ice and later in battle with mayuri that the captain would have frozen solid l if the captain didn't used his drugs on him and later in his battle with gernard when was able to freeze the gaints body solid and cause to crumble apart into ice pieces after his head was smashed in By Byuakyua.
Toshiro's is leathal as any ice attack can be.
AZ neg durability , it's more than just really really cold , Toshiro's ice have no chance of doing as much damage as AZ with just his ice , even in adult form. Rukia on the other hand , can damage a tier 3 with her AZ if he doesn't resist .
If said Teir is unble to produce enough body heat to reisits rukia's attack sure. but if they doe then can break it out just like any other ice prison.
"Absolute Zero is the point of cold at which enthalpy and entropy hit their minimum level. It is the ultimate form of freezing and in the theoretical situation that someone is exposed to it, their body will be frozen at the atomic level before collapsing under their own mass since the loss of energy causes the atoms to lose their cohesiveness. Due to the nature of the ability working on the atomic level, it can be considered a form of Durability Negation, ignoring conventional defenses unless a character is shown to be able to resist such attacks"
Which can only happen if the target can be freeze at abousute zero tempaertures. Rukia projects an aura of abosulte zero to freeze her oppionts in her bankai. but that does mean their is an guarantee they will be freeze at abouslte zero tempertures themseves espeacially if they can produce enough heat in their body reisits it.
Their is even an actial on this very site that even explains this in full.
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2996441
You can't just hand over resistance without feats or clear uncontradicted statements . And Yama have none of these .
If a person has the excate same type power and engery and if said power and engery can resist hax and stated to resist hax in genral espically ice and fire. then we can assum that not only can Yamamoto resist Rukia AZ but anyone else in bleach can who is at or far beyound her level of power can do so to.
Its really that simple and has been even been stated as such in the manga itself. By both Aizen and Kenpachi.
You do not need another statment from another charater when they have the same power type power that is stated to reisist hax.
Your argument is flawed because it is based on shaky stuff at best and based on nothing at worst .
So is yours since you are saying that Yamamoto can only hax resistenst unless he shown or stated it. Even when the series itself stated that any one with superior spirtual power can resist hax.
We saw that toshiro's ice isn't that lethal , at best he can trap people inside when he is not stomping his opponent . And it's been proven that even his bankai is unusable if yama use his own .
Toshirous Zanpaktou has been shown to kill Shawlong in battle by literaly breaking his body apart after it was frozen in ice and later in battle with mayuri that the captain would have frozen solid l if the captain didn't used his drugs on him and later in his battle with gernard when was able to freeze the gaints body solid and cause to crumble apart into ice pieces after his head was smashed in By Byuakyua.
Toshiro's is leathal as any ice attack can be.
AZ neg durability , it's more than just really really cold , Toshiro's ice have no chance of doing as much damage as AZ with just his ice , even in adult form. Rukia on the other hand , can damage a tier 3 with her AZ if he doesn't resist .
If said Teir is unble to produce enough body heat to reisits rukia's attack sure. but if they doe then can break it out just like any other ice prison.
"Absolute Zero is the point of cold at which enthalpy and entropy hit their minimum level. It is the ultimate form of freezing and in the theoretical situation that someone is exposed to it, their body will be frozen at the atomic level before collapsing under their own mass since the loss of energy causes the atoms to lose their cohesiveness. Due to the nature of the ability working on the atomic level, it can be considered a form of Durability Negation, ignoring conventional defenses unless a character is shown to be able to resist such attacks"
Which can only happen if the target can be freeze at abousute zero tempaertures. Rukia projects an aura of abosulte zero to freeze her oppionts in her bankai. but that does mean their is an guarantee they will be freeze at abouslte zero tempertures themseves espeacially if they can produce enough heat in their body reisits it.
Their is even an actial on this very site that even explains this in full.
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2996441
You can't just hand over resistance without feats or clear uncontradicted statements . And Yama have none of these .
If a person has the excate same type power and engery and if said power and engery can resist hax and stated to resist hax in genral espically ice and fire. then we can assum that not only can Yamamoto resist Rukia AZ but anyone else in bleach can who is at or far beyound her level of power can do so to.
Its really that simple and has been even been stated as such in the manga itself. By both Aizen and Kenpachi.
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We already adressed that the Aizen statement is far too shaky to use , not to mention that tyhis concept is never used again in the serie beside this one very shaky scene .
What about luppi,yammy and harribbel ? both were complelty covered in ice by toshi and yet came out fine .
No', kenpatchi never said that all hax are stopped by raw power , just that ichigo can't cut him because he is too weak to bypass his spiritual pressure . Hax are different than AP in case you don't know .
But good luck with that crt to add AZ resistance to yama btw , because until AZ resistance is on his profile ,all your arguments are null .
What about luppi,yammy and harribbel ? both were complelty covered in ice by toshi and yet came out fine .
No', kenpatchi never said that all hax are stopped by raw power , just that ichigo can't cut him because he is too weak to bypass his spiritual pressure . Hax are different than AP in case you don't know .
But good luck with that crt to add AZ resistance to yama btw , because until AZ resistance is on his profile ,all your arguments are null .
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We already adressed that the Aizen statement is far too shaky to use , not to mention that tyhis concept is never used again in the serie beside this one very shaky scene .
Actual this concept has been use much frequicny in bleach long after Aizen had stated it. Such as Ichigo destorying a kido that can disort space and time with spirtual power. Kenpachi cutting through gremmies space room with his sheer cutting power. Ichigo destory Yukio dimensoal box disptit it being said by him being impossible to do. Orhime unable to revile the soul king beacuase its powers are too great or the effectiveness of the zanpaktou's powers Tokinada Tsunayashiro copies with his family being dependent on his own spirtual power.
What about luppi,yammy and harribbel ? both were complelty covered in ice by toshi and yet came out fine .
That is becuase all three of them were at Toshiro's level when he frozen them with the later being much stronger then him. While Asnodt was shown to be to comparable to Rukia in streagth in spite of being weaker then her and due to said relvetive spirtual power was able to break out of the AZ.
No', kenpatchi never said that all hax are stopped by raw power , just that ichigo can't cut him because he is too weak to bypass his spiritual pressure . Hax are different than AP in case you don't know .
Not in bleach. While Kenpachi may have refered to streagth and dubility it does not counter agasint Aizen's own statment of spirtual being able to crush hax and both the manga and the novels support these statments. through feats and other later statments.
But good luck with that crt to add AZ resistance to yama btw , because until AZ resistance is on his profile ,all your arguments are null .
Do the Vs battle wiki own the manga? No its fanbase fansite that does not have any autherity on the writting of bleach and whenever or not they argree with my argument or not is uttery irrevelent to this discussion.
This argument is about the canon power stuture on how spirtual power works.
And from reading all the bleach manga and novels that are canon to the source material. I can conclude that spirtual power can indeed overcome hax or at the very reist them.
if you still want to belive that Rukia can kill Yamamoto with her AZ blade that is your bussiness.
Actual this concept has been use much frequicny in bleach long after Aizen had stated it. Such as Ichigo destorying a kido that can disort space and time with spirtual power. Kenpachi cutting through gremmies space room with his sheer cutting power. Ichigo destory Yukio dimensoal box disptit it being said by him being impossible to do. Orhime unable to revile the soul king beacuase its powers are too great or the effectiveness of the zanpaktou's powers Tokinada Tsunayashiro copies with his family being dependent on his own spirtual power.
What about luppi,yammy and harribbel ? both were complelty covered in ice by toshi and yet came out fine .
That is becuase all three of them were at Toshiro's level when he frozen them with the later being much stronger then him. While Asnodt was shown to be to comparable to Rukia in streagth in spite of being weaker then her and due to said relvetive spirtual power was able to break out of the AZ.
No', kenpatchi never said that all hax are stopped by raw power , just that ichigo can't cut him because he is too weak to bypass his spiritual pressure . Hax are different than AP in case you don't know .
Not in bleach. While Kenpachi may have refered to streagth and dubility it does not counter agasint Aizen's own statment of spirtual being able to crush hax and both the manga and the novels support these statments. through feats and other later statments.
But good luck with that crt to add AZ resistance to yama btw , because until AZ resistance is on his profile ,all your arguments are null .
Do the Vs battle wiki own the manga? No its fanbase fansite that does not have any autherity on the writting of bleach and whenever or not they argree with my argument or not is uttery irrevelent to this discussion.
This argument is about the canon power stuture on how spirtual power works.
And from reading all the bleach manga and novels that are canon to the source material. I can conclude that spirtual power can indeed overcome hax or at the very reist them.
if you still want to belive that Rukia can kill Yamamoto with her AZ blade that is your bussiness.
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It wouldn't be just Yama, it would be any character that scales to him. To use another verse as an example, Blazblue characters have a bunch of haxes and resistances to haxes from scaling to people comparable to or weaker than them. I know it's another verse but it's a similar case to Bleach. Their power system allows for them to scale to each other since Bleach fights are battles of Reiatsu and it's been stated and explicitly shown many times
