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So the better translations have come out and with that some changes need to be made. This is basically the same as what i attempted before here. Lets go over some stuff again.
Veldanava and the System
Veldanava who was God, created several parallel words and the system which governs the souls of all dimensions.
After Veldanava feel in love, it caused an error in the system thus the system killed Veldanava:
Turn Null
Turn Null is energy that can create and destroy the world, Veldanava lost his Turn Null after creating the world:
Rimuru's Ap
So how does this relate to Rimuru? Rimuru also has Turn Null and with it can recreate the world tens of thousands of times:
I don't think this makes Rimuru 2-B, Veldanava created many parallel worlds and lost his ability to continue doing so after only doing it once, Rimuru doesn't have this issue cause he can store his Turn Null in an infinite space, within which over time Turn Null builds up. By the time he woke up, Turn Null had built up to the point that he could recreate the world as in the many parallel worlds, tens of thousands of times.
The previous translation which was less accurate said he could rebuild worlds tens of thousands of times over, that made it seem Rimuru had way more energy than is required to create many parallel worlds, this more accurate one merely says he can recreate the world tens of thousands of times. Thus i think Rimuru should only be 2-C,.
Rimuru's Infinite Speed
So bringing this up again, Veldanava existed within nothingness where there was neither time nor space. Ciel using Rimuru's body witnessed the end of the universe, so the universe blowing up in her face, and then Rimuru wakes up later in nothingness where space doesn't spread and time doesn't flow.
I already went over this in the previous thread, but in addition something else that might give addition evidence to this is that Rimuru is said to rule over time and space, thus going across time is easy for him:
So with this i think just a plain Infinite speed rating might be ok. But looking for opinions.
Yuuki's Ap
Rating Yuuki is no less confusing than it was before, lets go over what was stated:
This is pretty confusing, it says he destroyed the celestial bodies as well as the space-time continuum, but then later Ciel using Rimuru's body says she witnessed the end of this universe, so this contradicts where it says Yuuki destroyed the space-time continuum. So for this i am not sure what to do here, it could be that universe is just being used to refer to the many parallel worlds that exist, and thus Yuuki did destroy the space-time continuum but only of 1 universe, but he didn't destroy the other universes.
Maybe a possibly Low 2-C rating for Yuuki should be added? Looking for opinions on this as well.
Veldanava and the System
Veldanava who was God, created several parallel words and the system which governs the souls of all dimensions.
"The world was cruel, but it granted you everything. That was the world that Veldanava had created. He, who was alone in the empty space, couldn't bear the solitude. That was the reason why he created the world: in order to distract himself from the boredom. Then, just as Veldanava wished for, life was born in this world, and beings began to act freely and asserted their Wills. Finally, after a long time, humankind was born as a vessel for the soul with free will and high intellect. Veldanava was thrilled. For Veldanava, who had been bored with the world of emptiness, even just observing the activities of life was fun, but the activities of the creatures called human beings were even more stirring for him. However, there was also a problem. Humans who acquired intellect stimulated each other and took unpredictable actions. If he left them unattended, they would immediately begin to fight against each other and would walk on the path of self-destruction. Several other worlds were born, but he could see that all of them had similar tendencies. Emotions were always the cause. Emotions were something that had been given to them and was necessary to give people the stimulus to develop even further, but emotions that had grown unchecked tended to reject the opinions of others. Different Ideas gave rise to various justices, Veldanava pondered. He decided to accept such phenomena were some necessary evils and the way of the world as a training ground for the soul. If humans were to be controlled completely, conflicts would disappear. However, they would lose the stimulus from emotions and the world would end up as a Dystopia, where people were all equal but without free will. Such a world was not what Veldanava desired. After that, he experimented many times and tried to develop humans into the direction that he hoped for. The conditions in many of the Parallel Worlds minutely deviated from one another, which led them to achieve different evolutions. Meanwhile, he carefully chose humans with matured souls and created Angels and Demons as the manager of the souls without a lifespan. He constructed a system so that the souls circulated to all dimensions. He restricted the managers so they wouldn't cause excessive interference and appointed the role of the Observer so that the foundation of the world wouldn't be destroyed. Those he appointed to be Observers were Guy, Ramiris, and Dino. I didn't seem to be able to see anything spiritual because the little amount of magic essence in my former world, but perhaps that world might have an Observer, too. Oh well, not like that thing mattered to me now though. Anyway, the construction of the system was completed. The subjugation of the Giants and the likes that appeared irregularly was finished and the world had stabilized." | ||
~ Chapter 248 |
"When all things began working smoothly, the Wheel of Fortune spun greatly. By meeting Lucia, Veldanava learned what love was. Then, they proved their love, and Lucia ended up pregnant with Milim. At that time, Veldanava lost all of his powers, but I could deduce that was probably due to the compelling force of the world. The reaction called Enforceability―― the constructed system had declared Lucia's existence as harmful. From the system's standpoint, God's love must be poured out to everyone equally. However, Veldanava's action of loving a specific individual seemed to have caused errors in the system. As a result, the price paid in order to repair the system failure was Veldanava and Lucia's life." | ||
~ Chapter 248 |
Turn Null is energy that can create and destroy the world, Veldanava lost his Turn Null after creating the world:
"The Ultimate and Supreme Ability――called『Turn Null』which produced the primordial energy needed to create a world. But in the end, it was impossible for him to recreate it. Even if he could recreate that ability, he would only cause the energy to go amok and disappear if he didn't create a world like Veldanava did. After all, 『Turn Null』, as indicated by its name, was pure and super dense energy that destroyed everything. A super-tier level ability that allowed the destruction of the existing world and even the creation of a new world. It was said that Veldanava lost『Turn Null』after he created this world, and he was left with『Magic Essence Breeder Reactor』 | ||
~ Chapter 247 |
So how does this relate to Rimuru? Rimuru also has Turn Null and with it can recreate the world tens of thousands of times:
"《Because a long time has passed,『Turn Null』has accumulated an enormous amount of energy. Although Veldanava is said to have lost『Turn Null』by creating the world, there's no problem since Rimuru-sama has『Imaginary Space』. Because『Imaginary Space』has an infinite capacity, it can't be filled up. However, it has already been filled with enough energy that even recreating the world tens of thousands of times is possible. Additionally, it's possible to reproduce the memories of those connected to Rimuru-sama and intentionally create a world that's nearly identical from before. What will you do?》" | ||
~ Chapter 248 |
The previous translation which was less accurate said he could rebuild worlds tens of thousands of times over, that made it seem Rimuru had way more energy than is required to create many parallel worlds, this more accurate one merely says he can recreate the world tens of thousands of times. Thus i think Rimuru should only be 2-C,.
Rimuru's Infinite Speed
So bringing this up again, Veldanava existed within nothingness where there was neither time nor space. Ciel using Rimuru's body witnessed the end of the universe, so the universe blowing up in her face, and then Rimuru wakes up later in nothingness where space doesn't spread and time doesn't flow.
I already went over this in the previous thread, but in addition something else that might give addition evidence to this is that Rimuru is said to rule over time and space, thus going across time is easy for him:
" 《Besides, you have not lost to Yuuki yet. You just have to go and defeat him now.》 Ciel-san casually said those words. I just have to go and defeat him now? Does she mean to go back to the bygone past? Can something like that be done……? Chloe seemed to be able to read the memories of the future with Time Leap, but that was just an ability to return to your past self. Besides, it couldn't be activated while time was stopped. Yuuki would carefully plan to block a way out like that by stopping time. 《No, there's no problem. The『Teleportation』newly acquired from Mai was originally just a mere prototype of a different ability. The ability is not『The ability to move to a place you've visited』, but『The ability to transcend time and space to reach the location you desire』. For Rimuru-sama, who rules over time and space, such a thing as going across time is simple.》" | ||
~ Chapter 248 |
Yuuki's Ap
Rating Yuuki is no less confusing than it was before, lets go over what was stated:
" Oh! Ciel-san said something to me. Where are we? Also what happened to Veldora-san? 《This is the End of the World. It could also be referred to as the "End of Time and Space". As for Veldora, he was isolated inside the『Imaginary Space』and completely protected, so please rest assured.》 I see. Veldora-san is alright. That's great….. Eh? This needlessly large and empty world is the "End of Time and Space", she said? Certainly, time doesn't flow and is in a stopped state. I can't sense the spread of space either….. 《Yes. In this world, the flow of time has stopped. The spread of space had ceased as well, and in accordance with the Law of Entropy, this world has arrived at nothingness.》 Has arrived? You are talking as if you have watched it? 《That's right. We were hurled to beyond space and time due to Yuuki's attack. The lifespan of the planet has already ended a long time ago, but the collapse of the world hasn't yet been reached. From that I deduced, Yuuki probably couldn't destroy the world itself yet. When he was at the phase where he destroyed the celestial bodies as well as the space-time continuum, I presume that Yuuki's lifespan had come to an end. However, I can't judge whether his wish was fulfilled or not. After that, we wandered around as we drifted in the space and I witnessed the end of this universe.》" | ||
~ Chapter 248 |
This is pretty confusing, it says he destroyed the celestial bodies as well as the space-time continuum, but then later Ciel using Rimuru's body says she witnessed the end of this universe, so this contradicts where it says Yuuki destroyed the space-time continuum. So for this i am not sure what to do here, it could be that universe is just being used to refer to the many parallel worlds that exist, and thus Yuuki did destroy the space-time continuum but only of 1 universe, but he didn't destroy the other universes.
Maybe a possibly Low 2-C rating for Yuuki should be added? Looking for opinions on this as well.
