Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Revisions: Part 2

New chapters are out, think it's enough to do this since only the epilogue and side stories are left, though those will give some more stuff like acausality for rimiru, think of this as a preliminary thread for that one.

Yuuki's Ap
After absorbing the energy from gii and everyone which could destroy the world, yuuki gained enough power to destroy the world:

"And all at once, with all of their bodies and souls, they each targeted Yuuki with their single most deadly attack. ―All of it was according to Yuuki's plan.

Now Yuuki was able to use every last ability through the origin skill, 'Information King: Akashic Records.'

In other words, this meant that it was possible for him to use Gluttonous King Beelzebub to devour all of the energy.

With enough energy needed to bring about the coming destruction of the world now in front of him, Yuuki smiled darkly."

Further confirmerd when yuuki sends rimuru to end of space time, which by that time yuuki had already destroyed all the stars in the universe:

"[Indeed. We have been thrown into the far end of Space-time through Yuuki's attack. The star has exceeded its lifespan, but the world has not been destroyed yet. Judging by this, Yuuki must have not been able to destroy the world itself. I speculate that after destroying all the stars as a space-time continuum, his lifespan had ended. However, I cannot determine if his wish had been fulfilled through this. After that, I floated off into space, and witnessed the ending of the universe.]"

Also again confirmed that the energy gii and everyone else released had enough power to destroy the universe by rimuru when he comes back to that instance where they unleash the attack:

"I immediately sense that I was in a different place.

At the same time, I could also sense that a bundle of energy that was big enough to destroy the world was headed straight towards me."

This makes yuki after absorbing everyone's energy 3-A since he was only able to destroy all the stars in the universe and not completely destroy everything.

Rimuru's Speed
So first of all rimuru was sent to end of space-time where time space no longer existed and ciel witness the end of the universe:

"[This is a world at the end. Or you might also call it the 'End of Space-time. Veldora has been isolated in an 'Imaginary Space.' So he is completely safe and there is no need to worry.]

I see, so Veldora was safe.

That's good… uh, huh? This is just a vast world with nothing, but, did she say 'End of Space-time'? Indeed, time does not flow and is suspended here. And I cannot detect the spreading of space either…


[Yes. The flow of time has stopped in this world. And the spread of space has also ended, and has become nothingness according to the laws of entropy.]

Has it? You talk about it as if you've observed it happening?


[Indeed. We have been thrown into the far end of Space-time through Yuuki's attack. The star has exceeded its lifespan, but the world has not been destroyed yet. Judging by this, Yuuki must have not been able to destroy the world itself. I speculate that after destroying all the stars as a space-time continuum, his lifespan had ended. However, I cannot determine if his wish had been fulfilled through this. After that, I floated off into space, and witnessed the ending of the universe.]

―I couldn't quite understand what exactly Ciel was saying…

Did she witness the end of the universe? What was that supposed to mean…?

I mean, there was no way you could stay alive in such a situation.

There were much more believable lies to tell―but then I remembered, Ciel did not tell lies."

Rimuru was asleep while ciel who is apart of rimuru's soul was moving around using rimuru's body and witnessing the end of the universe, is this proof for Infinite speed? Maybe, looking for opinions.

In addition veldanava was in complete nothingness before creating the universe, and rimuru>veldanava.

"The world was cruel, but it offered you everything.

That was the world that Veldanava had created.

Alone in that space of nothingness, he had endured his solitude.

And so he had then given birth to this world in order to distract himself from his boredom.

And in this world, was born life. Beings who could act freely and make their will known, just as Veldanava had intended.

After many years, humans were born as the receptacle of the soul, with free will and high intelligence.

Veldanava was overjoyed.

He had been bored in the world of nothingness."

Rimuru's Ap
Turn null energy is energy that allows the user to create or destroy worlds:

"The ultimate and supreme ability―'Turn Null,' which they say gave birth to the primordial energy needed to create worlds. In the end, it was irreproducible. Even if he had been able to replicate that ability, he would have to create a world as Veldanava had done, or else the energy would have just run wild and then disappear. After all, as the name 'Turn Null' suggested, it was a pure, ultra high-density energy that could destroy everything. It was an extreme ability from another dimension that allowed you to destroy the existing world and create a new one."

Veldanava was able to use to create several parallel worlds:

"He had created several different worlds, and yet all of them showed the same tendencies in the end. The reason for this was emotion. It was something that he had given as a means to stimulate people and to help them grow even more, but emotions that became too extreme had a tendency of wanting to eradicate the opinions of others. Different kinds of justice were born through different ways of thinking. That is what Veldanava thought. He decided that this phenomenon was a necessary evil, and so he accepted the way the world was as a testing ground for the soul. The warring would likely stop if humans were monitored completely.

However, their emotions would no longer be stimulated, and the world would turn into a dystopia that might be equal, but lacked free will. And that was not the kind of world that Veldanava wanted. He experimented several times after that, trying to push humans into growing in the way that he wanted. Several parallel worlds existed with small details changed in each, allowing them to evolve in different ways. Within this system, the humans with especially matured souls were selected to govern the souls with shorter life-spans. And so angels and demons were born. The system had been constructed so that the souls of all the dimensions would circulate. The watchers were limited to how much they could intervene, and commanded to prevent the basis of the world from falling apart. These were Guy, Ramiris, Dino and others like them. Because there was very little mana in the world that I was originally in, I never witnessed anything spiritual, but perhaps there were also guardians there. Well, none of that means anything now. In any case, the construction of the system is complete. The slaying of the giants who appeared irregularly is finished, and the world is now stable."

So essential veldanava was able to create multiple parallel worlds but lost the ability to do so after doing it once, rimuru has enough energy to rebuild universes 10,000x over.

"[As so much time has passed, there is an enormous amount of energy from 'Turn Null' that has been stored. Veldanava seems to have lost 'Turn Null' when creating the world, but you still have 'Imaginary Space', so there should not be a problem. As 'Imaginary Space' is infinite, it has not become full, but it has been loaded with enough energy to rebuild worlds tens of thousands of times over. If I may add, this means that you can replicate every person you were ever involved with including their memories, you can create a world that is as close as you can possibly get to the world you left. What will you do?]"

Think this makes rimuru 2-B.

Rimuru's Abilities
Rimuru absorbed yuuki who had almost every ability in the series and at this point is basically a god superior to veldanava who created the system of the world, this system is what gives people abilities:

"The system had been constructed so that the souls of all the dimensions would circulate.

The watchers were limited to how much they could intervene, and commanded to prevent the basis of the world from falling apart.

These were Guy, Ramiris, Dino and others like them.

Because there was very little mana in the world that I was originally in, I never witnessed anything spiritual, but perhaps there were also guardians there.

Well, none of that means anything now.

In any case, the construction of the system is complete.

The slaying of the giants who appeared irregularly is finished, and the world is now stable."

Anyway this system throughout the series has been what gives people abilities. What does this mean? Means eos rimuru has every ability in the series.

This is pretty well done, it looks aight, idk about speed tho

Agreed, Rimuru why you so broken...

Only thing that i am not sure about is the speed, though the statements do ome from literally the most intelligent character in the series.

Speed, can't truly say.

Everything else looks pretty solid far as I see.

So, High 1-A 2B intead of Low 2-C Rimuru? lol

Lol, this review is something I never expected. Seems fine to me.

Veldanava is already 2-C much less rimuru

Yes, is rimuru strongest slime in fiction now?

I am in support of infinite speed, as it does seem to fit the qualifications the wiki has.

Might be some other slime somewhere, but none comes to mind.

In terms of isekai protags, he is pretty up there though. Which makes match ups like ainz vs rimuru (have already seen this), pretty bad considering how bad rimuru stomps.

I agreed with the OP

We also will have to take into consideration on how the anime adaptation will display it as well

Anime won't get this far, it will only go up to the birth of the demon lord arc at best since the op has hinata vs rimuru.

You need like 3 seasons of 24 episodes to get here, unless you do some tokyo ghoul type rushing, regardless the profiles are based on the web novel.

I read that energy to move all stars in the universe is actually just 4-A. and iirc energy to move celestial objects = energy to destroy them.

That sounds odd, would have to get someone to confirm that destroying 1 billion trillion stars=4-A.

A lot of stars there, bro.

Though if that's the case, that would only put Rimuru at a much higher place in Tier 4 then.

This wouldn't scale to rimuru, only yuuki after he absorbed the attacks from everyone.

Rimuru will just gain another key that will be 2-B.

But yea seems like a lot of stars for it to just be 4-A, would think it's at least in the galaxy ranges.

Oh right, my bad. Derp mode there.

But yeah, what I meant to say.

Another thing, the note on rimuru's profile should be removed, there has never been an occasion where rimuru would need to use his subordinates skills, he doesn't fight much, and even when sitting back and watching his subordinates fight he can look at their abilities, think it's useful and then gain them.

Rimuru's fighting style is focused on analysis, he analyzes his opponents and their abilities, so he responds based on his analysis and copies and negates his opponents abilities, it would be asinine to suggest Zegio could reality warp or erase rimuru from existence, rimuru already has access to zegion's skills and has already analyzed them, if zegion tried them on rimuru, rimuru would just negate them.

If he needs to make a new skill to combat an opponent he can, and he has access to all his subordinates skills, he just doesn't use them cause they aren't needed.

I agreed it can be removed. Celestial Pegasus, copying and negating his opponents' abilities seems like Reactive Evolution like Pegasus Seiya's Reactive Evolution (Able to analyse and comprehend the components of an enemy's attack after seeing it once, and adapt to it) or an additional feats for Power Nullification (Via nullifying all the effects of the power he copies) similar to August's.

It's more so emphasized as a psuedo true dragon to be that, cause ciel is highly focused on analysis and what, but even before that, analyzing his opponents is rimuru's style of fighting, though his copying and negating shouldn't be as good as with ciel.

Was gonna leave it for later, but another thing is the removal of "can kill conceptual existences", this only applies to rimuru. When angels and demons die, they just return hundreds of years later because all you have killed is their physical body, their true forms are conceptual existences, they can't enter the world without taking physical bodies.

Rimuru can absorb angels out of ppl and eos he should be able to create angels and demons like veldanava did, so he should have conceptual manipulation, before eos was only absorption which works on conceptual existences, and eos concept manipulation for being capable of creating conceptual existences.

looks alright

Celestial Pegasus, it looks alright.

I'm fine with removing the note, as it's already been said and shown that rimuru has his subordinates abilities and can use them as he wishes, such as when he gave benimaru velgrynd's ability.

Looks good

So, destroying all the stars in the universe is indeed 4-A

So yuuki should only be 4-A.

there are a billion trillion stars in the universe. so assuming all stars are large star...

(3.817x10^42) [energy to destroy large star] x (10^21) = 3.81700 × 10^63 it is 4-A indeed

absolute high-end (3.817x10^45) [borderline system busting] x (10^21) = 3.81700 × 10^66 three times of 3-C

even the first calc is already high-end because not all stars are large-star. so yeah... I think 4-A would be most reasonable.

if there's some quasar or supermassive blackhole statements it might help. because smassive bhole contributes large part to mass of the galaxy.

Only thing that was said he destroyed "all the stars as a space-time continuum "

So basically an Omni directional blast or something?? And did he one shot all of them or was it an overtime feat?

Celestial Pegasus said:

Only thing that was said he destroyed "all the stars as a space-time continuum "

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but stars are made out of atoms. its not 'space time continuum'.

unless if you meant 'stars along with space time continuum'. in that case, destroying all stars in the universe would be just an afterthought.

the main 3-A proof would be 'all spacetime continuum surrounding all stars in the universe', which mean it also includes all blackholes and dark matter which contribute large part of universe's mass.

but if Yuuki is not actually destroying all space-time and he's just truly destroying stara then 4-A rating would be best IMO.

I can't say anything about this bit, asian hobbyist has some pretty obvious grammar errors in comparison to gurotranslations, so it's possible that they messed something up and "all the stars as a space-time continuum" is another translation error by them.

Gurotranslations will probably have a better translations, atm all we have is statements of him being able to destroy the universe and ciel stating "[Indeed. We have been thrown into the far end of Space-time through Yuuki's attack. The star has exceeded its lifespan, but the world has not been destroyed yet. Judging by this, Yuuki must have not been able to destroy the world itself. I speculate that after destroying all the stars as a space-time continuum, his lifespan had ended."

@CP Ciel stated that Yuuki did not actually destroyed the universe?

and actually far in the future, trillion years or quadrillion years later, stars can't exist/can't form. there are only black holes. hence its called Black Hole Era.

after Black Hole Era it's heat death. not even black hole exist here.

so even if Yuuki did not destroy stars manually, they'd die on their own. so I don't understand why Ciel thought that Yuuki is the one who destroyed all stars.

there are two conflicting statements here : Yuuki said he can destroy the world, but Ciel said he didn't actually done it.

Possibly 3-A seems most safe. unless we got better translation.

or screw it! just scale Yuuki to Rimuru's universal feat

Most likely will have to wait on gurotranslations for more clarifications. Leaving that discussion, doesn't asian literature tend to include planets/etc with the word "star"? would that increase his tier in any way? Anyway I suppose 4-A, possibly 3-A is safe for now.

ASIAN literature....hell yeah~

Believe the word "Hoshi" is what you're referring to there, Op.

Is there something special about me saying asia literature?

No, just me emphazing shit for lols and giggles of my own amusement. Nothing in particular.

We should probably just wait on more accurate translations to determine yuuki's tier then.

Good idea.