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Rikudo Madara Keys & Tier Fixing
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Only if we assume Hagoromo's statement to mean that Madara becoming the host of the 10-Tails is instantly Planet level.
Wasn't that feat going to be recalced anyway due to something about the Moon's hollowness?
> Also, if he wasn't Naruto and Sasuke would have one shot him.
Why?
Wasn't that feat going to be recalced anyway due to something about the Moon's hollowness?
> Also, if he wasn't Naruto and Sasuke would have one shot him.
Why?
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No because Madara fought Naruto and Sasuke. With your logic if Madara didn't get a significant increase from the Shinju then his first form still scales anyway.
You literally roped yourself into that
You literally roped yourself into that
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Only if we assume Hagoromo's statement to mean that Madara becoming the host of the 10-Tails is instantly Planet level.
Wasn't that feat going to be recalced anyway due to something about the Moon's hollowness?
> Also, if he wasn't Naruto and Sasuke would have one shot him.
Why?
Because here both Naruto and Sasuke after the Hago power up are 5B. By powerscaling either he scales to Hago or to them.
@Astral Hago talks about first form Madara in the image without counting the Shinjuu increase...
Wasn't that feat going to be recalced anyway due to something about the Moon's hollowness?
> Also, if he wasn't Naruto and Sasuke would have one shot him.
Why?
Because here both Naruto and Sasuke after the Hago power up are 5B. By powerscaling either he scales to Hago or to them.
@Astral Hago talks about first form Madara in the image without counting the Shinjuu increase...
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Naruto and Sasuke receive part of their scaling from Madara in the first place.
Anyway, this is pointless until the calcs are fixed.
Anyway, this is pointless until the calcs are fixed.
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Err no its not, because the moon did not start off hollow, we know this based on Naruto and sasuke's own moon feat. Not that it matter that would also soon be recalced with a lower timeframe, since the current one is a huge low ball.Damage3245 said:
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Eh, let's save that discussion for a later date. I currently believe the current calc is insufficient either way.
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I mean there is no discussion to have about the moon, that is literally the case, not that it matters since again the one Naruto and Sasuke did would be revised with a timeframe that makes more sense.
Also if you mean the shinju tree, that is entirely dependent on whether calc members believe yours is better or mine is.
Also if you mean the shinju tree, that is entirely dependent on whether calc members believe yours is better or mine is.
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> I mean there is no discussion to have about the moon, that is literally the case, not that it matters since again the one Naruto and Sasuke did would be revised with a timeframe that makes more sense.
But Naruto and Sasuke didn't send theirs into orbit?
But Naruto and Sasuke didn't send theirs into orbit?
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They didn't, the timeframe is for the creation of the moon.
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whichwould also be taken into account and was still not my point.Damage3245 said:
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Let's not be rude.M3X said:
I was going off a hazy memory where there was a discussion about the hollowness of the Moon and how it affected a calc - but I think that was for Toneri's feat, not Hagoromo's.
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Yes, the hollowness is for toneri's feat.
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I agree with ╬Ü╬ƒ╬£╬Ö╬× .
Also,the render with Limbo looks cool.
Also,the render with Limbo looks cool.
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ppl in this thread really tryna get Madara to Hagoromo Levels even tho the version of Madara the statement was used on went on to get fondled by Naruto and Sasuke in 1v1's when they only have 50% of Hags ghostly goo chakra lmao
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U obviously didn't understand the arguments.
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i understood the argument perfectly fine it's based on one off hand statement from Hagoromo that makes no sense with further feats, Naruto literally not trying in base SPSM basically 1 shot that verison of Madara, an amped verison of that Madara got blitzed by Rinnegan Sasuke and chopped in half Might Guy style, Naruto's shadow clones stalemating Madara's Limbo Clones (who're equal to him) in H2H, Naruto dodging his fastest attack casually while hindered, Naruto and Sasuke teaming up for literally one second nearly sealed him and they basically would have won the fight right there if Madara didn't have the ass pull ability to swap places with his clones out of nowhere that moment also being the only time they 1v2'd Madara they were taking turns up until that point etc.AstralKing7 said:
Not to mention the statement is more "he's trying to get close to me" rather than him actually getting closer many other translations confirm this to be the case Viz has a bad rep with translations after all shouldn't be a surprise bottom line 1 Eyed Madara getting close to Hagoromo makes no sense when even 50% of his chakra from his ghost made Teen Naruto and Sasuke stronger than that verison of Madara mentioned.
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Madara didn't get stronger after absorbing the Shinju tree by that much man that's how I know u didn't understand the arguments made. Plus the statement made about him and his own feat.
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naruto can even take on kaguya who is stronger hagoromoNotCensored said:
agree that Madara didn't get stronger after absorbing the Shinju treeAstralKing7 said:
jubito proved that he didnt get any weaker from releasing the Shinju tree
and absorbing the Shinju tree make juubi jin stronger is unfounded excluding immortality
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And at the same time Obito pulled enough chakra from Juubidara to create TSBs.
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Lol
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yeah forget about it , i forget why i left the wiki in the first place its because it doesn't let me post any long paragraph as it always says "An ErRoR OcCuRrEd WhIlE pOsTiNg ThE MeSsAgE" so after i wrote it and rewrote it again and again trying solving the problem , i changed the photos to links , i make it shorter and it still say the same thing , but who cares ? ah and for the messages that i deleted its was an insulting for the wiki and everyone into it bc i got pissed of but i am okay now 
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That is not a fair Assement. Sure it didn't boost him as much as Madara getting his second Rinnegan. However, it still was a big boost, because BSM Naruto+ BM Minato together was chipping away at JuubiObito's TSB.
It wasn't just them the God Tree Absorb either it took 1000+ Shinobi that Naruto boosted at least 4 x Stronger than their standard powers.
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There is a bit of a Misconception here. Kaguya isn't weaker than before she was sealed by Hagoromo and Hamura. A 5-B character can still take on 2 other 5-B characters around the same level as them depending on skill. It's completely an arbitrary assertion that Revived Kaguya is weaker than 1000 years prior, when all she's missing is 50% Kurama and the Chakra she was absorbing from Infinite Tsukiyomi was stated to be stronger than the Incomplete Juubi in the first place (Stated Here)
So, if anything, Revived Kaguya > Kaguya 1000 Years Prior. Trying to extrapolate scalings for Hagoromo and such to get to Madara is extremely flawed and faulty. Even then, Hagoromo was only talking about Power Sets. The Databook about Madara asserts that: "With Both Rinnegan and the power of the Ten Tails, Madara demonstrates the true power of the Sage of Six Paths", or whatever, which supports that notion and in that same line about "Approaching Him"'. He even cites Madara is after Kaguya's power which is depicted as the RinneSharingan, not her literal level of power. For that reason, Madara shouldn't be scaled to Hagoromo. It's just referring to power sets.
Madara really shouldn't have 4 Keys. Obito demonstrated that releasing the Shinju doesn't impact you or your chakra so him absorbing it shouldn't afford him any boosts.
In regards to Dual Rinnegan and RinneSharingan, they don't increase Madara's regular Ninjutsu or Physical Capabilities. Only his Doujutsu.
So, if anything, Revived Kaguya > Kaguya 1000 Years Prior. Trying to extrapolate scalings for Hagoromo and such to get to Madara is extremely flawed and faulty. Even then, Hagoromo was only talking about Power Sets. The Databook about Madara asserts that: "With Both Rinnegan and the power of the Ten Tails, Madara demonstrates the true power of the Sage of Six Paths", or whatever, which supports that notion and in that same line about "Approaching Him"'. He even cites Madara is after Kaguya's power which is depicted as the RinneSharingan, not her literal level of power. For that reason, Madara shouldn't be scaled to Hagoromo. It's just referring to power sets.
Madara really shouldn't have 4 Keys. Obito demonstrated that releasing the Shinju doesn't impact you or your chakra so him absorbing it shouldn't afford him any boosts.
In regards to Dual Rinnegan and RinneSharingan, they don't increase Madara's regular Ninjutsu or Physical Capabilities. Only his Doujutsu.
- Dual-Rinnegan Madara's Doujutsu is 5x stronger / More Effective than One-Eyed Madara's.
- RinneSharingan by itself is considered a Rinnegan and thus should stack ontop of Dual Rinnegan Madara as its the equivalent of having 2 sets of Rinnegan.
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@TFO; I think I'm a little bit out of the loop, but can I get a reminder on where the 5x stronger bit comes from? Is that just from him increasing his number of Limbo clones?
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Yes. Madara stated This to Obito. With Madara only having 1 Rinnegan and being able to produce 1 Limbo Clone and later 4 extra in addition to the one Naruto Sealed. This illustrates that 1 eye only gives the user 1/5th of their capabilities.Damage3245 said:
It's the only gauge we have.
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You cannot disagree. The Dojutsu's Capacity was increased by 5. This would scale across the board.Mindovin said:
Clearly this isn't a 1+1 = 2 scenario.
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Now you're making wild assumptions. Dojutsu Chakra and Regular Chakra are not one in the same as stated by Tobirama (In this sca). This is why we don't scale users Regular Ninjutsu to Dojutsu AP, like Susanoo and Ama, etc.Mindovin said:
That Doujutsu Chakra for Sharingan at Least, gets more Potent, yes, but asude from that nothing else is stated. We do know special Chakra (Biju, Six Paths, Nature Energy) does increase the power of Doujutsu, but otherwise, nothing else is stated.
I'm not making assumptions about the process, only stating what's occured.
Facts:
- Madara could only create 1 Limbo with 1 Rinnegan.
- Madara could can create 5 with 2 Rinnegan.
- There is no indication Madara did or did not attempt to Enhance his Doujutsu through Chakra Control.
