Rick Sanchez Finale Update (Spoilers)

[Firestorm808]

First off, spoilers ahead for the season finale of Rick and Morty. This is your last chance to leave.


Could we add Pirates as a weakness for Rick since he wanted to GTFO as soon as the pirates showed up?

Also, Rick has this 'Instant Death' device/thing. I'm not sure if this is an ability or not.

The blue hologram / hard-light technology.

If I missed anything, let us know.

 

[Jesterofgames]

IIRC he also dodged a laser fired form space after it fired

 

[Antvasima]

I haven't watched the episode yet. Was he afraid of pirates?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

God damn its the season finale already? :/

 

[Js250476]

Yeah kinda underwhelming compared to the previous ones to tbh

 

[Antvasima]

I liked the episode with evil Morty taking over the Citadel.

 

[Js250476]

Can the satellite feat be calced at all? Could upgrade non prep Rick significantly

 

[Ultima_Reality]

It was calced on another wikia, got MHS+ results

EDIT: woa, just saw the inactivity time of this thread...

 

[Firestorm808]

^ Which wikia? Also, what about the pirates?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Well the wiki is in another language

 

[Agnaa]

It was calced on another wikia, got MHS+ results
EDIT: woa, just saw the inactivity time of this thread...

Like I said in another thread, I don't think this feat can be used to calculate a better reaction time, as it wasn't just a laser fired from space, the president fired a harmless laser at him which then guided the laser from space, which fired with a delay.

"But he moved after the laser from space was fired"

Lets say the laser fired at 0 seconds, the laser from space started firing at 1 second, and he dodged around the same time/a little bit after the laser fired from space. This is still a human reaction speed of 1 second. The laser firing from space wasn't his indication to dodge it, the harmless one fired beforehand was.

 

[Jesterofgames]

He Litterally dodged AFTER IT fired Like the Laser appeared in the Scene he was in in fact it's Showb traveling While Rick is processing the laser

Heck It shows up in the frame after only moving a bit

 

[Jesterofgames]

Also Rick Litterally just sits there for a good few seconds before he even started moving While the laser was shown traveling to earth http://www.watchframebyframe.com/watch/yt/WmwYdwX9_9c here's the frame by frame site as well if you don't belive the 2 frames are right after one another

 

[Arigarmy]

wow he Literally did everything then, with a captial L.

 

[Agnaa]

He Litterally dodged AFTER IT fired Like the Laser appeared in the Scene he was in in fact it's Showb traveling While Rick is processing the laser
Heck It shows up in the frame after only moving a bit

If we're calculating that laser to be at light speed, then it CANNOT have happened in the order shown. We see the laser inside Earth's atmosphere 1 second before rick dodges it. So either things did happen in the order shown, and the laser isn't really made of light, leaving Rick with 2 seconds to dodge it after it fires, or things happened out of order, in which case Rick has ample time to dodge the president's harmless laser. Alternatively, things happened in the order shown, AND it is a real laser, in which case we can't trust the show's display of time, at which point I don't think the feat's calculable.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Instead of worrying about it being a laser worry about it still reaching ground level within a second. That's still goddamn fast. Difficult to calc? Yes. Impossible? Absurd.

 

[Jesterofgames]

....... 1. No evidince of it being a Light speed laser laser but we can get the speed from the time frame 2. you are still ignoring the fact Rick was shown sitting still While the laser was traveling to earth In fact it was match cut implying That yes the laser was firing while Rick was figuring out what was going on. 3. Cinimatic timing screws with time in All fiction It's kinda how we can see Characters who are faster then our eyes can track. And finally the speed feat would be calculable if the laser was light speed

 

[Agnaa]

Instead of worrying about it being a laser worry about it still reaching ground level within a second. That's still goddamn fast. Difficult to calc? Yes. Impossible? Absurd.

If it's not a laser he can see it firing and dodge.

So now his feat is dodging something that takes 1 second from sight to impact during a fight.

Does this actually improve his speed at all? I'd think that he would have done better during other fights in the series.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

More like figured out it was coming. Really.

I don't see the issue with that.

I'd be interested in your other examples.

 

[Jesterofgames]

To be fair Even Jerry dodged a bullet in season 1 (meeseeks and destroy if you want the exact episode give me a bit and I can give you the exact time frame) implying That humans and such in the Rick and morty verse are indeed superhuman

 

[Agnaa]

It's not that I think the feat is completely incalculable. I think it's either not an upgrade, or incalculable due to cinematic timing.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

I'm leaning to this being heavy cinematic timing. If he really did just sit there while the laser almost touched down this is one of Rick's dumbest moments ever. It doesn't take a genius to try to move if someone points a laser at you, even if you don't figure out it is an orbital calldown. You'd dodge either way.

I really don't think this is a good feat to try and upgrade off of.

 

[Jesterofgames]

@assaltwaffle I highly doubt this is cinimatic timing considering again the laser is shown moving And the laser came down a frame in the middle of ricks dodge

And even if we toss this out Its possible we could get an upgrade for Rick from Jerry dodging gunfire in season 1 possibly

 

[Agnaa]

"The laser is shown moving"

Irrelevant, the guide that the President is shooting is shown moving.

"The laser came down a frame in the middle of Rick's dodge"

I'd call this irrelevant since Rick started moving 8 frames before the laser entered the screen, implying that his reaction wasn't from noticing the laser which causes damage, but from the president's laser itself.

"We could get an upgrade for Rick from Jerry dodging gunfire"

I don't think we have any reason to believe Rick scales to Jerry? But I'd probably look for other feats of dodging during fights in this season for any upgrades. I would look myself, but I don't have any easy way of looking through all the episodes again.

 

[Jesterofgames]

1. How is the laser shown moving irelevent When It was after the Laser the president used was shown moving and before Rick moved.

2. I wouldn't say it's irelevent since Rick moved a large distance in between frames As the laser hit also in between frames. Him moving a small amount Before doesn't mean much when there's such a huge gap when he moved in the 2 frames I showed

And 3 I mean He held off an alternate version of Jerry that was possed

Jerry is also a non combatant So how shouldn't Rick scale to him

 

[Agnaa]

1. I thought you meant the laser moving along the ground. What does the laser moving from space or along the ground have to do with Rick's speed? I think I'm missing something here.

2. Those two specific frames are jumping speed, so I'm not sure if that applies to general combat speed, reaction speed, or running speed (mod thoughts on this?) The length also isn't that huge, simply being his body width. I did an extremely rough calc (1 frame to another, assuming 30 fps, and assuming he moved 50cm) which gave 15m/s, being at the low end of superhuman. upgrading from peak human (9.8m/s to 12.5m/s). However, I'm still not sure how trustworthy this calc should be, anyone else got input?

3. What do you mean by "held off"? Did he outrun Jerry, or just stop him using other attributed which he may be superior to Jerry in?

4. To scale off someone you need to be shown to be directly or indirectly superior to them in that aspect. There's probably some non-combatant in the R&M canon that has superior lifting strength to Rick, that doesn't mean that Rick is superior to them in that aspect. They may just be abnormally good in that attribute, as Jerry might be.

 

[Jesterofgames]

1. Ok the laser coming from space is how we get the laser speed And thus How we know what timeframe Rick had to react Because if it's fired before he moves he had a time frame to react in and thus dodge it.

2 jumping speed does kinda apply to reaction and travel speed

3. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O-60aYhbkRc First reletivly 30 some seconds oh also Jerry is a Reguler human a human that's constantly insulted by Rick I doubt Rick would let Jerry be superior to him in ANYTHING and heck in the wheels dirly conspiracy Rick ACTIVLY TERRIFIES JERRY and Rick had no Visable weapons of Jerry had a massive speed advantage on him why would Jerry be terrified of a unarmed Rick.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Can ya not just scale the distance rick moved off the distance the laser moved while both were on screen?

 

[Agnaa]

1. I don't quite get what you're saying here. How exactly does this play into the calculations?

2. I would agree for jumping a long enough distance, and being able to jump again immediately after, but this was a desperate jump that didn't leave him in position to do another jump. On top of this, reaction speed is likely slower than his travel speed from the jump, as there's the president's laser as well as the 5 or so second delay from the alser being fired from space.

3. That clip doesn't show him outpacing Jerry. In fact, Jerry catches up to him. It's possible that Rick's speed is below the average human in that verse before tech, he is an old man after all. It doesn't matter what Rick would let Jerry be superior to him in, what matters is what's shown within the story. You do realize that you can be terrified of someone that has a slower reaction and travel speed than you, right? Especially if their AP and dura are much higher. I believe Jerry saw from earlier in the episode, and likely earlier in the series, that Rick keeps a lot of hidden weapons.

"If Jerry has a massive speed advantage on him why would he be terrified of an unarmed Rick?"

Firstly, he doesn't know that Rick's unarmed. Secondly, let me give you an example.

Lets say you can run at FTL speeds. I can only move at normal human speeds, yet you can't hurt me at all, and I could blow up the entire planet if you looked at me wrong.

To bring it closer to R&M, Jerry likely doesn't have an insane speed advantage, but most of Rick's weapons strike faster than he could himself, and can protect him from more than Jerry could dish out.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Why would the laser be cinematic timing? It is shown coming from orbit and reaching the ground in seconds, and Rick is a Super Genius, i doubt he would just sit on the ground waiting for something, he likely figured out it was coming, and even then, he could still process and react fast enough to dodge this laser before it could evaporate him

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Can we see the laser and rick move in the same scene?

Are they both shown at once?

 

[Jesterofgames]

1. Ok let's give an example here If I fired a gun 5 feet away from you And you dodged the gun after its fired while the bullet is one foot away you would have around 895.70 microseconds to react if the bullet was going at the speed of sound and evade it That's the time frame for you to move. So if you moved half a foot you would be half the speed of the bullet. Hence why we need the satalight lasers speed To compair Rick to

2. Holy crap this argument First of how far and fast you jump scales to your reaction and combat speed No matter what Second off nobody's reaction speed should realiticly be slower then Any of there other speeds

That's like saying you can move half the speed of light But not react at that speed It does not work.

3. First off Dodging scales to reaction speed and most of the time combat speed but Not so much movement speed And I know There can be an insane durability and AP advantage to the point speed doesn't matter. But Rick didn't have any weapons He was going on a "vacation" with Jerry in a non dangerous place So why would he need weapons. Jerry was just scared of Rick who was Just angerly walking towards him. Not brandishing a weapon or anything. Also a majority of ricks defensive weapon only active if he touches you.

Oh also I should note the only time he wasn't afraid of Rick's wrath Was when Rick had his mental functions down and he couldn't do anything.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Yes but can I get my question answered?

 

[Jesterofgames]

Yes but can I get my question answered?

Look up I show 2 back to back frames of the laser dodge

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Can i see the clip?

 

[Jesterofgames]

I also link to the Episode In a frame by frame player but here http://www.watchframebyframe.com/watch/yt/WmwYdwX9_9c

 

[Agnaa]

1. Since we can, I'd rather scale it off of distance moved, especially since Rick's moving in a perpendicular direction and the laser doesn't actually travel at laser speeds. I think that's a better calc than "X% the speed of laser that isn't a real laser"

2. Reaction speed is easily realistically slower than their other speeds. Especially since they're not measured the same way. Speed is m/s while reaction speed is just seconds. I also can flail my hand around faster than I'd be able to react to something moving at my hand's speed. Put your hand in front of your head, then flail your hand into it, and tell me if you'd realistically be able to react to something suddenly appearing and moving that distance.

3. "Rick didn't have any weapons" How can you be sure about that? He always seems to carry defensive tech, and his portal gun, which I think he had for part of that episode, also functions as a weapon as shown in season 2's finale. I don't think Jerry was scared of Rick punching him, I think he was scared of what Rick could potentially do to him.

4. Of course that's the only time he wasn't afraid of Rick, because he knew Rick had no malicious intent then. I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt this could be used for scaling, and I suggest you look towards fights throughout the series instead.

"Why would the laser be cinematic timing? It is shown coming from orbit and reaching the ground in seconds"

Because it took 5 seconds while in real life that should have taken 1/10th of a second. So either the scenes are out of order, or that laser isn't actually light and is instead 50 times slower.

"Can we see the laser and rick move in the same scene? Are they both shown at once? " Yes but it's not exactly clear, we can see Rick jumping away while the laser comes down, and during this time it goes from being a glow at the top of the screen (as opposed to the solid laser itself), to being through the floor and an unkown distance below that the next frame

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

So can you not take the dustance rick moved and the laser whike both were shown together and get a speed from that? Even if rick moved a few pixels itd still be a boost.

 

[Jesterofgames]

1.i Litterally never said it was light speed dou

2. First off Yes reaction speed is equal to combat and short burst speed It's a general rule of the wiki you don't like it start a threat to change it. OH also your point is mor in the example givin since we can bearly see our hand moving and well we can see a lot faster then we can react However try punching Or running and you will see you react to it just fine

3. We know he had no weapons because Even when people where trying to Kill him He used nothing, oh also He didn't have his portal gun ether He went to a compleatly safe spot he though he would be ok taking Jerry to.

Heck the Entier climax of the episode happens Becaude Rick didn't have his portal gun otherwise what would stop him from just portaling home with Jerry instead of taking a shop or portal gun him and jerry home when the Entier trip went south when the whirly dirly crashed.

 

[Agnaa]

So can you not take the dustance rick moved and the laser whike both were shown together and get a speed from that? Even if rick moved a few pixels itd still be a boost.

No, we can't scale it off of the laser since we don't know how far the laser moved in that time (it went from offscreen to offscreen in one frame), so we can only use how many frames passed and how far he moved for a calculation, and I'm pretty sure that he would have moved that quickly earlier in the show, or even later in that episode.

1. I just don't see the point in using the laser. If we calculate based on how quickly he jumped, I don't think that will turn out to be a speed upgrade, especially compared to other combat feats.

2. Oh, if you're talking within the rules of the wiki sure, I was just saying that your argument doesn't apply to reality, as you were implying.

3. Jerry couldn't have known he had no weapons. I thought he had his portal gun but then left it somewhere or had it taken as the reason for how he got to that planet, but I guessed they just used the spaceship.

4. Yeah I thought at this point he left it at the resort.

I think we're getting too far into minutiae, and should just focus on the feat itself. I personally don't think it will upgrade over other combat feats when calc'ed, do you want to skip through the show's action scenes and see if Rick has better displays of speed?