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Rick and Morty Revision

ShionAH

ShionAH

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Citadel of Rick's have the "Story Train" a train toy which contains anthology generator effectively making many different possible stories exist within it, with it even being stated to be an actual reality with actual living beings only being soulless. It even contains its own concept of time, and as Rick stated it isn't an actual train but a literal story device. With Story Lord even being able to exist and escape the Story Train, proving it is in fact a real reality.

Now Rick also has some technology tied to this, with him having goggles that can let him see meta elements and being able to enter and exit meta reality with his devices.

I think Rick should have the Meta abilities, due to him being able to enter meta reality where he should be able to just control the narrative through that world, also the Story Train implies Ricks potentially can create literal story devices. Though it would probably only be useful with preparation

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Intelligence:
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Lifting Strenght: RandM would scale to Class 25, since they are not physically inferior to Mr. Meeseeks who can rip limbs clean off, break them and more ACCEPTED

Sealing: Ricks can seal concepts as seen in Story train, he has pokeballs in his standart equipment who can seal targets ACCEPTED

Info Analysis and EX Perception: Ricks have layered Info Analysis since they can learn and find other Ricks even when they are with their Morties who give resistance to Info Analysis and cannot be detected.

NPI: Rick can affect meta elements, souls, minds and more so it should be an general ability he has for his tech ACCEPTED

Rick would have Passive Absorption and Resistance to Electricity manipulation since his gadgets passively absorb electricity and energy when he is attacked by it ACCEPTED

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Agree: 2 @LephyrTheRevanchist, @AbaddonTheDisappointment [Not on Info Analysis]
Disagree:
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ShionAH said:
Affecting 5d things is Low 1C, no?
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Just as destroying non-universal 4D structures is not Low 2-C, destroying 5D structures is not Low 1-C.

Low 1-C is equivalent to destroying an uncountable infinite number of universal space-time continuums.
 
ShionAH said:
Citadel of Rick's have the "Story Train" a train toy which contains anthology generator effectively making many different possible stories exist within it, with it even being stated to be an actual reality with actual living beings only being soulless. It even contains its own concept of time, and as Rick stated it isn't an actual train but a literal story device. With Story Lord even being able to exist and escape the Story Train, proving it is in fact a real reality.

Now Rick also has some technology tied to this, with him having goggles that can let him see meta elements and being able to enter and exit meta reality with his devices.

I think Rick should have the Meta abilities, due to him being able to enter meta reality where he should be able to just control the narrative through that world, also the Story Train implies Ricks potentially can create literal story devices. Though it would probably only be useful with preparation
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Should be fine

ShionAH said:
Lifting Strenght: RandM would scale to Class 25, since they are not physically inferior to Mr. Meeseeks who can rip limbs clean off, break them and more

Sealing: Ricks can seal concepts as seen in Story train, he has pokeballs in his standart equipment who can seal targets

Info Analysis: Ricks have layered Info Analysis since they can learn and find other Ricks even when theh are with their Morties who give resistance to Info Analysis.

NPI: Rick can affect meta elements, souls, minds and more so it should be an general ability he has for his tech
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Also fine

ShionAH said:
Space Cruiser should be upgraded to Low 1-C since it can kill 5th Dimensional Aliens
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As CCLL mentions, you'd first need to prove the aliens scale to Low 1-C, meaning they can affect these dimensions at all, instead of simply being inhabitants of it.

The intelligence section I will review later.
 
The story train is just fiction, as seen in some episodes the rick and morty universe just has a 4th wall layer to it that allows fictional entity's to escape there confines given the right justification ( jesus's miracle powers were what allowed story lord to escape) so I really don't think the train is any special.
 
Darkmon_cns said:
The story train is just fiction, as seen in some episodes the rick and morty universe just has a 4th wall layer to it that allows fictional entity's to escape there confines given the right justification ( jesus's miracle powers were what allowed story lord to escape) so I really don't think the train is any special.
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No actually, it is "fiction" but more of a pocket dimension rather than infinitely small location. Especially since it has alive beings in it and a literal concept of time
 
ShionAH said:
No actually, it is "fiction" but more of a pocket dimension rather than infinitely small location. Especially since it has alive beings in it and a literal concept of time
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I disagree, the events of the episode with retcon implys that's just how fiction works in there universe and less about a feature of that train.
 
Your logic ignores how the verse treats it as a pocket dimension rather than a full on infinitely small location
 
ShionAH said:
Your logic ignores how the verse treats it as a pocket dimension rather than a full on infinitely small location
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How exactly is it treated like a pocket dimension? I'd aurge fiction itself was treated more like a separate plane of existence kept separate by the 4th wall, the reason story lord could escape the train was a literal Jesus powers, aka an explanation that would work for anything.

Also why do you discirbe fiction as infintly small? Fiction isn't infintly small, it dosen't exist in our reality at all.
 
Something being infifntly small implays there's somewhere in the universe where you could place a cube and say "this infintly small thing is inside the cube"

To apply this to fiction is to say there's somewhere in the universe I could put a cube at and say "the events of dragonball take place inside this cube" it just dosen't work that way.
 
Not my point, anyways the train still contains the very concepts of space-time, living beings and very much acts like a pocket dimension. You are on disagreement no need for further argue and clog the thread unless you find something new.
 
ShionAH said:
Not my point, anyways the train still contains the very concepts of space-time, living beings and very much acts like a pocket dimension. You are on disagreement no need for further argue and clog the thread unless you find something new.
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I don't feel it's clogging the thread to ask you to justify this.

As for a new point..
Who says it's located inside the literal toy train? They made hundreds of them by that idea there should be hundreds of story lords, if there all the same there's no reason for them all not to escape, instead it's far more likely the "fiction" exists as a single creation in whatever the fictional/meta spaces of rick and morty are accepted as and either all trains derailed at that moment or the derailing at the end of the episode had nothing to do with the fictional events and was just cut like that cus it was funny.
 
For example if there was some sort of fictional space in the real world, I wouldn't expect there to be a dragonball one for every manga sold I'd expect there to be one for each continuity at most.
 
ShionAH said:
Headcanon
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Not head canon basic reasoning, as well we know it was from the gift shop without additional knowledge we can assume it was mass produced.

However in story lord's second appearance it's stright up said he was made for a massed produced train toy that bombed. It's clear from the pair of episodes that there is one story lord, not alot running around,
 
As for having seen inside, I believe your refering to the end of the first episode, well clearly there is some kind of automation for the drama going on (we see in the episode the controls being wrapping paper or something which is werid sense story lord definitely did used them before then)

Like- maybe all this should still apply because there's definitely something going on, but I'm still inclined to think story lord escaping is more directly realted to how fiction works in general in rick and morty then anything the citedle did, if anything they just tapped into that fictional space to enhance the ride or manipulate it.
 
I'm going to assume the space cruiser thing was removed from the OP cause I see people replying about it but it ain't there.

Anyways, meta stuff seems fine. I don't really think it would impact much considering he'd only be able to use the hax in the stories he himself makes with prep time but might as well add it for completion sake.

Intelligence revision seems fine just skimming through it. I don't see anything glaringly wrong.

Not sure about sealing the concept of time since if it's essentially its own pocket realm/story it could just come with its own concept of time as a byproduct.

Not sure about info analysis. Not really seeing how it's info analysis since the point of the brainwaves is that they can be tracked so extrasensory perception and a layer of that is fine specifically for tracking brainwaves but I don't see how it's info analysis.

Everything else seems fine.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Not really seeing how it's info analysis since the point of the brainwaves is that they can be tracked so extrasensory perception and a layer of that is fine specifically for tracking brainwaves but I don't see how it's info analysis.
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Rick's are capable of analysing and searching the entire multiverse, yet Rick C137 can hide from them if he wants. We also know Morty brainwaves are able to hide Ricks from Galactic Federation who iirc have similar technology to search and analyze galaxies and solar systems
 
ShionAH said:
Rick's are capable of analysing and searching the entire multiverse, yet Rick C137 can hide from them if he wants. We also know Morty brainwaves are able to hide Ricks from Galactic Federation who iirc have similar technology to search and analyze galaxies and solar systems
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That explanation reads more like just extrasensory perception to me. Info analysis would be if they figure something out about Rick like his stats or something.

ShionAH said:
Would that give Concept Creation then?
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Maybe but it could also just naturally come with it. Like we don't give people time manip for creating pocket realms for example but I'm not really sure.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Info analysis would be if they figure something out about Rick like his stats or something.
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Rick's Technology include figuring out Energy, Power and basically everything about beings. Space Crusier's of every Rick can anaylse the entire multiverse to find specific timelines and events. Galactic Federation has similar Tech but weaker
 
ShionAH said:
Rick's Technology include figuring out Energy, Power and basically everything about beings. Space Crusier's of every Rick can anaylse the entire multiverse to find specific timelines and events. Galactic Federation has similar Tech but weaker
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Still don't really see how the specific justification you're going for would be info analysis and not just extrasensory perception. Finding the location of someone or scanning/sensing their location is something under extrasensory perception, not something that info analysis would normally give imo
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Still don't really see how the specific justification you're going for would be info analysis and not just extrasensory perception. Finding the location of someone or scanning/sensing their location is something under extrasensory perception, not something that info analysis would normally give imo
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Idk what to say anymore, we know the brainwaves stop people from finding you and detecting you. Which fit both Info Analysis and EP, especially since Rick's and Galactic Federation have their own kinds of Info Analysis

Also I remembered this is done by scanning Rick's "brainwaves" which would fall under:

"A basic analysis can grant only rudimentary data on the target, such as their level of strength, speed, durability, or intelligence"
 
ShionAH said:
Idk what to say anymore, we know the brainwaves stop people from finding you and detecting you. Which fit both Info Analysis and EP, especially since Rick's and Galactic Federation have their own kinds of Info Analysis

Also I remembered this is done by scanning Rick's "brainwaves" which would fall under:

"A basic analysis can grant only rudimentary data on the target, such as their level of strength, speed, durability, or intelligence"
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I get that Ricks and the Federation have their own ways of Info Analysis. I'm not going against that. The thing is, at least the way I see info analysis, it's more figuring out either a rough estimate or just straight up finding out the stats of a person, not just finding their general location. Detecting them and finding their location, which is what you're arguing for here, would be Extrasensory Perception. Finding out something about them stats-wise would be Info Analysis.

Also that quote you're taking from the Info Analysis page is talking about figuring out a person's intelligence. If the feat was detecting Rick's IQ or something then it'd be Info Analysis aka what the quote you sent is saying but it isn't that. I don't see how it's anything other than Extrasensory Perception.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Also that quote you're taking from the Info Analysis page is talking about figuring out a person's intelligence. If the feat was detecting Rick's IQ or something then it'd be Info Analysis aka what the quote you sent is saying but it isn't that.
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How is being able to detect and calculate Supergeniuses using their brainwaves not Info Analysis? I think you are kinda scretching this though

Anyways I am fine with keeping the layer for EP if you are definitely against it
 
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