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[NHTkenshin2]

What happened to fiction

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The SCP multiverse is already accepted as having infinite universes, which system the multiverse works on is revealed in SCP-4555,

it is revealed that the multiverse works on transfinite recursion

Like a string of beads, chained throughout reality, universe after universe, each exceeding the last in their vast wealth of knowledge. We were only the second in a chain that went on forever.

And when MUORG followed that chain, they found that it did more than continue indefinitely. One string of worlds reached its limit, somehow, impossibly, one of those many before it had figured out how to allow the process to go on forever, terminating in a single, infinitely far away, limiting world.

And then they'd continued.

That limiting world had spawned another more advanced still, and that one another. And they'd created another limit. Two infinite chains standing beginning to end. Then three, four, five….

The mathematicians working for us at the time said they were following a pattern called "transfinite recursion". A process by which a linear ordering could be extended beyond the simple infinity of "1, 2, 3…".

First an infinite chain of universes. Then 2, then 3…

Then an infinite chain of infinite chains. Then 2, then 3.

Then repeat. Each time there are as many of the last thing as there are numbers, repeat again.

This is described as an order that goes as “deep as mathematically possible

In the end, each universe had a place in an order that was as deep as mathematically possible.

Well, the deepest mathematically possible transfinite recursion would be equal to the set of transfinites

This implies that the size of the multiverse contains every combination of transfinites
To quote @Ultima_Reality on the SRE multiverse being High 1-A

Multiverse = High 1-A (There being a universe for every cardinal number would result in this, and not Low 1-A or 1-A, since the collection of all cardinal numbers in a given system is just, practically speaking, equal to the smallest cardinal that's too large to be provable in the system. That is, of course, putting aside the fact that the text calls it "a progression of large cardinal numbers")

The SCP Multiverse will now scale to High 1-A

Bæn and SCP-3812

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I think this is simple?
Currently SCP-3812 is scaled off of viewing the universe as fictional, the universe having uncountably infinite dimensions

With universes being behind the multiverses rating because of their quantity, and each universe not being different in size
Its pretty much akin to an infinite stories existing in our world, they are all stories thus existing as equally fictional
SCP-3812 should view every universe as fictional
Ben writing the laws and logic behind the universe, as well as viewing said laws and logic as fictional, such as the order in which the main universe works on, would mean he transcends the multiverse entirely, making him “High 1-A” or “1-A, possibly High 1-A”


This obviously affects the Noospheres scaling, now scaling off of an infinitely into a High 1-A Hierarchy rather then a 1-A one

If i am not correct it will either be a very high degree of High 1-A or the forbidden tier that will make this already controversial revision far more controversial

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I mean... no? 4555 isn't canon to Kaktusverse. In fact, Ad Astra is a canon all on its own.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Im confused is there like a rule for not scaling different authors works to eachother?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Well we go based on what's canon to what. For example, the Trashfire canon doesn't have a Noosphere. So for our purposes, any article written in the Trashfire that has mind hax involved doesn't scale to the Noosphere.

Likewise, 3812 being Kaktus canon means that as long as Kaktus himself hasn't written in an SCP into his canon, we don't use it for scaling. This is mostly due to Kaktus wanting his works to be original and not part of a greater shared canon.

However, due to Placeholder existing, everything is canon to Metafoundation, but the reverse is not true. Metafoundation is not canon to everything. So the Noosphere being above 3812 is purely Metafoundation, not Kaktusverse.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Do our current extended canon keys work on placeholders metafoundation?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Not all of them. We split extended canon up into whatever canon hub the article falls under.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

But SCP-4555 is not connected to SCP-3812 or the kaktusverse

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Well, considering SCP-3812 does show up outside the kaktusverse in 682s termination page for example
Can he get an extended canon key that covers the multiverses cosmology?
Similarly to how the noospheres entire rating is built on 3812s cosmology?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

No.

SCP-4555 isn't High 1-A. "As deep as mathematically possible" only goes as far as the numbers shown. And the numbers shown here don't go beyond Low 1-C. The article deals mostly with Ordinal Numbers, which refer to order rather than size. So it's not beyond Low 1-C. Ultima's statement is about a specific verse which does actually showcase numbers high enough where universes of that number would be High 1-A. This isn't the case here.

Even that aside, SCP-4555 is completely isolated canon-wise. Nothing links to it, and it doesn't link to anything significant. There is no reason to assume it applies to Kaktusverse or any other canon. So its cosmology doesn't apply to anything useable except maybe Placeholder stuff.

Placeholder's stuff is different, because his cosmology is designed to cover all Foundation stories on the site and considers everything on the Wiki to be canon to itself. Most other cosmologies are self-contained, and we have no reasons to consider any article created period to apply to it.

 

[Alexander]

No.

SCP-4555 isn't High 1-A. "As deep as mathematically possible" only goes as far as the numbers shown. And the numbers shown here don't go beyond Low 1-C. The article deals mostly with Ordinal Numbers, which refer to order rather than size. So it's not beyond Low 1-C. Ultima's statement is about a specific verse which does actually showcase numbers high enough where universes of that number would be High 1-A. This isn't the case here.

Even that aside, SCP-4555 is completely isolated canon-wise. Nothing links to it, and it doesn't link to anything significant. There is no reason to assume it applies to Kaktusverse or any other canon. So its cosmology doesn't apply to anything useable except maybe Placeholder stuff.

Placeholder's stuff is different, because his cosmology is designed to cover all Foundation stories on the site and considers everything on the Wiki to be canon to itself. Most other cosmologies are self-contained, and we have no reasons to consider any article created period to apply to it.

i already created the profile of scp-4555,but scp-4555-Omega is the one that works on transfinite recursion.

 

[Kirinator07]

And the numbers shown here don't go beyond Low 1-C. The article deals mostly with Ordinal Numbers, which refer to order rather than size. So it's not beyond Low 1-C.

Ordinals deal with the order of something rather than size, however as implied by the fact that they care about the order, the infinite ordinal in question still has the cardinality of R, and as such an R number of universes is low 1-C and as such should not be 2-A.

 

[Alexander]

Ordinals deal with the order of something rather than size, however as implied by the fact that they care about the order, the infinite ordinal in question still has the cardinality of R, and as such an R number of universes is low 1-C and as such should not be 2-A.

i think that will only work in scp-4555-omega

 

[Kirinator07]

i think that will only work in scp-4555-omega

It might warrant a tier change if so

 

[Alexander]

It might warrant a tier change if so

ok