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Retak'ka vs Kizaru

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Retak'ka

Retak'ka is the main antagonist of BoBoiBoy Movie 2. He is the alleged original user of the Elemental Powers, but due to his greed, he had them taken away by his former friend, Hang Kasa. 100 years after his imprisonment, he was freed by a group of Crystal Miners and lead them to take back his...
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Borsalino (Kizaru)

Real name Borsalino, Kizaru is the only pre-timeskip Admiral to have retained his position after the timeskip, after Akainu was promoted and Aokiji left. He has somewhat of an absentminded and out-there personality, committing such acts as mistaking his snail wiretap for his phone, and politely...
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Post-Sealing Retak'ka is used.

Both High 6-A

SBA assumed.
 
Kizaru upscales from a 3x speed advantage but is at an about 2x AP disadvantage.

But what really kills Retak'ka here is the fact that

A: Borsalino's danmaku is ******* batshit insane, so dodging for Retak'ka is out of the question

And B: Trying to absorb Borsalino's light is the literal worst thing he could possibly do, seeing as he completely lacks heat resistance on his profile. Borsalino's light attacks are at bare minimum(I'm pretty sure we can get lightning scaling for heat on him) WAY over 3000 degrees celcius cause I can't find the value at which steel just outright turns into ******* vapor instantly.

So uh, Retak'ka tries to vore Borsalino's light attacks and just ******* dies?
 
DaReaperMan said:
Kizaru upscales from a 3x speed advantage but is at an about 2x AP disadvantage.

But what really kills Retak'ka here is the fact that

A: Borsalino's danmaku is ******* batshit insane, so dodging for Retak'ka is out of the question.
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You think Retak'ka can't just go gamma and fire a beam through the barrage? Besides that Kizaru normally starts off with a foot laser that Retak'ka would gladly absorb upon hit.
DaReaperMan said:
And B: Trying to absorb Borsalino's light is the literal worst thing he could possibly do, seeing as he completely lacks heat resistance on his profile. Borsalino's light attacks are at bare minimum(I'm pretty sure we can get lightning scaling for heat on him) WAY over 3000 degrees celcius cause I can't find the value at which steel just outright turns into ******* vapor instantly.
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Retakka practically sapped High 6-A worth of electrical energy from a station that held it without drawbacks and practically boosted his powers further. Also, he tanked Solar's beams while depowered the former of which is superior to light beams that flash vaporized metal in an instant.
DaReaperMan said:
So uh, Retak'ka tries to vore Borsalino's light attacks and just ******* dies?
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Not really, Borsalino can only win if he just uses haki over his devil fruit powers.
 
Greatsage13th said:
You think Retak'ka can't just go gamma and fire a beam through the barrage? Besides that Kizaru normally starts off with a foot laser that Retak'ka would gladly absorb upon hit.

Retakka practically sapped High 6-A worth of electrical energy from a station that held it without drawbacks and practically boosted his powers further. Also, he tanked Solar's beams while depowered the former of which is superior to light beams that flash vaporized metal in an instant.

Not really, Borsalino can only win if he just uses haki over his devil fruit powers.
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You mean a beam that quite literally is never hitting him ever?

Electrical energy is not that hot. And I'd like to see these light beams vaping this steel, seeing as thats quite a claim to make when This is Akainu's heat from being around steel. Borsalino has ******* murdered folks who've been around Akainu quite well Via heat

Ah yes, throw the Admiral who is known for overuse of Devil Fruit powers and then turning around and saying "yeah, I'm gonna make this match I think he needs to not do that in", you're either stupid or clueless.
 
All right, next question, has it consistently shown this kind of heat?
 
Marvel_Champion_07 said:
Probably? The next episode displays BBB Light and Solar a lot more, so you can judge from there
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From what I'm seeing in my skim of the episode... no.

Outside of obvious shit that shouldn't apply the heat, the damn shield fuckface was using reflected the light, while yes, this is what light does, reflects off of reflective shit, that shield sure as shit wasn't chromatic and from what I could see, was the same ass material as what was vaped the previous episode(Though it did instantly melt the sides of the ship), and as if it wasn't bad enough, the big ass amp attack that I assume is from Solar didn't vaporize ANYTHING, it only broke shit apart and flung it away in chunks, outside of it, again, being the same metal that was vaped the previous episode.
 
So, basically, from the admittedly small sample size I've gotten, this shit ain't consistent in the slightest, it vaped the material one time, failed to do anything to it another time though melted the hull of the ship which should be worth something at least, and the better version didn't melt or vaporize shit, only broke it apart and threw it out, even when in direct contact with the hull that was previously easily melted
 
DaReaperMan said:
So, basically, from the admittedly small sample size I've gotten, this shit ain't consistent in the slightest, it vaped the material one time, failed to do anything to it another time though melted the hull of the ship which should be worth something at least, and the better version didn't melt or vaporize shit, only broke it apart and threw it out, even when in direct contact with the hull that was previously easily melted
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3 or 4 time I believe
 
DaReaperMan said:
So, basically, from the admittedly small sample size I've gotten, this shit ain't consistent in the slightest, it vaped the material one time, failed to do anything to it another time though melted the hull of the ship which should be worth something at least, and the better version didn't melt or vaporize shit, only broke it apart and threw it out, even when in direct contact with the hull that was previously easily melted
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Might not be consistent but sure as heck does the job better than Akainu's heat. Besides that. the temperature of those beams would practically be superior to this kind of canon fodder that vaporized a mountain.
 
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Greatsage13th said:
Might not be consistent but sure as heck does the job better than Akainu's heat. Besides that. the temperature of those beams would practically be superior to this kind of canon fodder that vaporized a mountain.
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And Akainu's heat just by existing does the vape- but we're not talking about him so yeh

And yet, going by reason and logic, Solar should be doing the same shit, but not only did it do none of the above, it straight up didn't do anything heat-wise. So no, I don't trust that that feat is consistent compared to Solar and Light
 
DaReaperMan said:
And yet, going by reason and logic, Solar should be doing the same shit, but not only did it do none of the above, it straight up didn't do anything heat-wise. So no, I don't trust that that feat is consistent compared to Solar and Light
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And? Solar's beam managed to heat the shield to the point of cracking while Light's most powerful beam attack didn't even heat it up. That pretty much states the obvious.
 
Greatsage13th said:
And? Solar's beam managed to heat the shield to the point of cracking while Light's most powerful beam attack didn't even heat it up.
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That's not the problem.

The shield seemed to be made out of the same material that was previously vaporized and melted(Again, different typesnof heat damage), so was the rest of the armor for that matter, and Solar didn't even heat it up at all, it slowly blew it apart with constant application of superior AP, it isn't a heat feat at all.
 
DaReaperMan said:
That's not the problem.

The shield seemed to be made out of the same material that was previously vaporized and melted(Again, different typesnof heat damage), so was the rest of the armor for that matter, and Solar didn't even heat it up at all, it slowly blew it apart with constant application of superior AP, it isn't a heat feat at all.
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The shield is made up of what same material? As far as I saw, his anchor and sword didn't vaporize. If that's the thing you are talking about.
 
Greatsage13th said:
The shield is made up of what same material? As far as I saw, his anchor and sword didn't vaporize. If that's the thing you are talking about.
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The material of the dang ship.

And his armor didn't get vaped either, and major parts of it were definitely made of the same material as what got vaped/melted the previous episode even if you argue the anchor/shield were not.
 
DaReaperMan said:
The material of the dang ship.
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You meant the space station.
DaReaperMan said:
And his armor didn't get vaped either, and major parts of it were definitely made of the same material as what got vaped/melted the previous episode even if you argue the anchor/shield were not.
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The difference is that Light decided to use a discount store Yasakani no magatama that acts more like exploding bullets than an actual laser beam when he hit the armour but after that every single attack he does is defected by the shield.
 
Greatsage13th said:
You meant the space station.

The difference is that Light decided to use a discount store Yasakani no magatama that acts more like exploding bullets than an actual laser beam when he hit the armour but after that every single attack he does is defected by the shield.
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All right, let me put this into perspective.

1 vaporization, clear.

1 melting, a contradiction.(AKA the eye beam Light used)

1 Jack shit(Big ass solar super attack).

All three of those contradict eachother, and Solar didn't even touch the hull of the space station despite having extended contact with it, and 2 of those are from the same sodding episode

You have a BIG consistency problem here, which makes one wonder how many contradictions there are to the rest of the shit used?
 
DaReaperMan said:
All right, let me put this into perspective.

1 vaporization, clear.

1 melting, a contradiction.(AKA the eye beam Light used)

1 Jack shit(Big ass solar super attack).

All three of those contradict eachother, and Solar didn't even touch the hull of the space station despite having extended contact with it, and 2 of those are from the same sodding episode

You have a BIG consistency problem here, which makes one wonder how many contradictions there are to the rest of the shit used?
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Not that much of a difference honestly. it doesn't have any major anti-feats.
 
Greatsage13th said:
Not that much of a difference honestly. it doesn't have any major anti-feats.
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Except for the fact that 2/3 options make Retak'ka lose here.

And that's really the thing, we can't properly select any of the three, so if Borsalino just wins 2/3 times and still stands a chance 1/3 times, he wins.

So uh, Borsalino FRA. Honest to God, this verse needs to be treated with more scrutiny because what the hell is this?
 
DaReaperMan said:
Except for the fact that 2/3 options make Retak'ka lose here.

And that's really the thing, we can't properly select any of the three, so if Borsalino just wins 2/3 times and still stands a chance 1/3 times, he wins.
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Don't use headcanon in a match and assume you can get away with it without a CRT. Also, I already stated prior that light's heat is superior to canon fodder that vaporized a mountain. As far as I can see even with the best heat feats from one piece it doesn't stack up higher than PSU's
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So uh, Borsalino FRA. Honest to God, this verse needs to be treated with more scrutiny because what the hell is this?
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Akainu's heat has some damn flaws as well, can melt steel passively but can't melt a single pebble in that same fashion. His magma is hotter than his passive heat yet couldn't melt a non-haki imbued sword that shanks used which has no known grade affiliated to it. Let's not forget that despite the heat, he can't even melt flesh without resorting to magma. So you tell me who is under more scrutiny here?
 
Greatsage13th said:
Don't use headcanon in a match and assume you can get away with it without a CRT. Also, I already stated prior that light's heat is superior to canon fodder that vaporized a mountain. As far as I can see even with the best heat feats from one piece it doesn't stack up higher than PSU's

Akainu's heat has some damn flaws as well, can melt steel passively but can't melt a single pebble in that same fashion. His magma is hotter than his passive heat yet couldn't melt a non-haki imbued sword that shanks used which has no known grade affiliated to it. Let's not forget that despite the heat, he can't even melt flesh without resorting to magma. So you tell me who is under more scrutiny here?
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Tell me where Vaporization heat is on BoBoiBoy's profile mate, I opened up his source and put in "Vaporize", "Vaporization", "Melt" and "Heat" into the find on page thing. not a single damn one showed up. Your profiles should be reworked before you use them in a match, and that's planned, which is good, but you can be damn sure I'm going to that CRT to point this out there too.

how do we know that BoBoiBoy didn't Just overpower the AP of the cannon fodder? Was there a statement that his heat specifically was superior? Or just a general statement of "Is superior in every way"? Does this cannon fodder have like 5 anti-feats to Vaporization? Cause let me tell you, I don't trust a singular statement about something coming from this verse anymore without seeing multiple showings of the thing in question

It's called heat resistance mate, a LOT of people in One Piece have it and I seriously doubt Shanks of all people is using a literal fodder sword like the one Akainu vaped. Plus, it's short-range heat, it's not a massive AoE, so unless this pebble was pretty much right next to Akainu's magma, it's not an anti-feat.

In fact, I don't really even CARE about Akainu's magma heat, the shit's on his profile, unlike BoBoiBoy, it can't be contested without a CRT, again, unlike BoBoiBoy
 
TBH this is an obviously winfarm since Sage seems to know OP to an extent, but that backfired miserably cause it was done before the verse was revised
 
Greatsage13th said:
His magma is hotter than his passive heat yet couldn't melt a non-haki imbued sword that shanks used which has no known grade affiliated to it.
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Haki is literally used... Otherwise blocking/forcing logia to stay solid wouldn't be possible
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すさまじき覇気と剣技は健在!!

赤犬の攻撃を受け止めるほどの覇気と、最強剣士ミホークと取り合うほどの剣の腕を持つ!!
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His amazing high ki and swordsmanship are still alive and well!

He has enough high ki to catch Akainu's attack and enough sword skills to compete with the strongest swordsman, Mihawk!
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Greatsage13th said:
Don't use headcanon in a match and assume you can get away with it without a CRT. Also, I already stated prior that light's heat is superior to canon fodder that vaporized a mountain. As far as I can see even with the best heat feats from one piece it doesn't stack up higher than PSU's

Akainu's heat has some damn flaws as well, can melt steel passively but can't melt a single pebble in that same fashion. His magma is hotter than his passive heat yet couldn't melt a non-haki imbued sword that shanks used which has no known grade affiliated to it. Let's not forget that despite the heat, he can't even melt flesh without resorting to magma. So you tell me who is under more scrutiny here?
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This is bull shit.
Shanks' sword is literally sturdy enough to take a hit from Whitebeard's supreme grade sword with no problem.
Also like MOL said, Shanks imbued Haki in it LOL.
Unless you a random sword Shanks uses can take magma that vaporized an entire iceberg in seconds and melted a sword with it's passive aura.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Me when I call the boys
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I came out from a chemistry practical examination, having a burning test tube right in my face while sniffing ammonia like a drug addict, and 2 hours later just to respond to a single individual, now I found out that 5 separate people responded to a single comment of mine.

Also, why does it look like your tournament is put on a hold?
 
Greatsage13th said:
I came out from a chemistry practical examination, having a burning test tube right in my face while sniffing ammonia like a drug addict, and 2 hours later just to respond to a single individual, now I found out that 5 separate people responded to a single comment of mine.

Also, why does it look like your tournament is put on a hold?
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Speak truth and there wouldn't be 5 replies 😴
 
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