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D4C is multiversal, not because of travelling to those worlds, but making those worlds exist. Tusk Act 4 scales to that.
It's never shown, but given that it's 4D Causality Manipulation, GER should prevent the paradox from happening.
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Reset vs Reset: Giorno vs Iris
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It's never shown, but given that it's 4D Causality Manipulation, GER should prevent the paradox from happening.
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Johnny range is about to getting fixed don't worry. it would be Multi or Multi+.
RTZ active before time travel via passive
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Causality Manip prevents that from happening, it's vague but given that it's greater, so Giorno should revert that from happening.
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also can anyone explain why Johnny range got edited without CRT?
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Tusk Act 4 has Interdimensional range though, and the scans on Funny profile don't support Multiversal+ range either, all i am seeing there is that Funny can travel to parallel worlds.
As for RTZ, it's just speculation i am seeing.
As for RTZ, it's just speculation i am seeing.
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Funny's scans show that those neighboring worlds are infinite, and given that Valentine stated it himself, it's still Multiversal.
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Try making a CRT. It won't go well.
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Yes an infinite multiverse exists, and Funny can travel to them, where does it say Funny can affect an infinite number of universes at the same time though?
Cloozuma you're the one arguing RTZ can negate temporal paradoxes, thus Giorno is effectively acausal, that's not on the profile, i am not the one speculating here.
Cloozuma you're the one arguing RTZ can negate temporal paradoxes, thus Giorno is effectively acausal, that's not on the profile, i am not the one speculating here.
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I didn't say Gio is acausal, I said RTZ prevents that from happening.
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I'm pretty sure he can't affect infinite number of universes, that's like for ap iirc. He can travel to dimensions (universes) which is stated to be infinite.
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Interdimensional range is a bug or a mistake for johnny profile, since it was multi range and no CRT was made about interdimensional range CRT. So you can't use that argument
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Yeah I edited it back, no CRT for it.
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Also range isn't affecting. Affecting is AP, precisely DC that can be physical or not.
Multiversal+: Attacks and abilities that are able to reach anywhere within an infinite amount of 4-dimensional space-time continuums at the same time.
Please use the page
Multiversal+: Attacks and abilities that are able to reach anywhere within an infinite amount of 4-dimensional space-time continuums at the same time.
Please use the page
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Chariot was making a CRT tho
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Also Johnny range was multi not multi+
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Multiversal+: Attacks and abilities that are able to reach anywhere within an infinite amount of 4-dimensional space-time continuums at the same time.
From the range page, can Funny abilities reach anywhere within infinite universes at the same time? If no then it's not Multiversal+.
As for RTZ preventing temporal paradoxes, it's semantics, if RTZ is a passive ability that can prevent paradoxes, Giorno is immune to temporal paradoxes aka acausal. If RTZ isn't passive, Giorno would be killed before it's ever activated.
Also you shouldn't be making major changes without a CRT.
From the range page, can Funny abilities reach anywhere within infinite universes at the same time? If no then it's not Multiversal+.
As for RTZ preventing temporal paradoxes, it's semantics, if RTZ is a passive ability that can prevent paradoxes, Giorno is immune to temporal paradoxes aka acausal. If RTZ isn't passive, Giorno would be killed before it's ever activated.
Also you shouldn't be making major changes without a CRT.
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Pretty sure Giorno can be killed in the past before he got GER without being RTZ.
Neither GER nor Giorno has the Acausality needed to survive such a thing, GER doesn't have any ability that gives it awareness of the Past to know it's being changed to then act to prevent such changes, and GER can't RTZ after its already been erased by the Time Paradox.
One would need Immeasurable speed or Past awareness + necessary Range to prevent such changes to the Past, Infinite Speed and Passives won't help prevent people acting in the past before the power exists.
Neither GER nor Giorno has the Acausality needed to survive such a thing, GER doesn't have any ability that gives it awareness of the Past to know it's being changed to then act to prevent such changes, and GER can't RTZ after its already been erased by the Time Paradox.
One would need Immeasurable speed or Past awareness + necessary Range to prevent such changes to the Past, Infinite Speed and Passives won't help prevent people acting in the past before the power exists.
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His dimensional travel is within infinite universes.
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RTZ prevents Gio's death, even by paradox. Seems wank, but it was shown once in the manga.
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@Cloozuma You're missing the point, yes Funny can travel within infinite universes, but can he travel to all of them at the same time? That's what's required.
Don't remember anything about a paradox in part5 , but if you think that's the case, make a CRT to add acausality to Giorno.
Don't remember anything about a paradox in part5 , but if you think that's the case, make a CRT to add acausality to Giorno.
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He can bring people and himself from other dimensions.
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Apparently there's none, but afaik GER prevented Gio's death, so paradox gets nulled.
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But is he bringing those people and himself from infinite universes at the same time? That would mean he is bringing like infinite people wouldn't it, which clearly isn't the case.
Negating death is different from negating the fact that you never existed. GER negated Giorno's death which was guaranteed to happen in the future, that future is guaranteed, but it will never happen, however RTZ hasn't been shown to work on the past and it doesn't address what Everything said, that neither GER nor Giorno have Acausality nor an ability that gives it awareness of the past to know it's being changed to then act to prevent such changes, and GER can't RTZ after its already been erased by the Time Paradox.
Negating death is different from negating the fact that you never existed. GER negated Giorno's death which was guaranteed to happen in the future, that future is guaranteed, but it will never happen, however RTZ hasn't been shown to work on the past and it doesn't address what Everything said, that neither GER nor Giorno have Acausality nor an ability that gives it awareness of the past to know it's being changed to then act to prevent such changes, and GER can't RTZ after its already been erased by the Time Paradox.
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Can't like Gio revert Iris movement before the time paradox happened?
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How would it know she time travelled? As Everything said if Iris already time travelled and killed Giorno, GER would need like Immeasurable speed to react to that, and if GER is to stop that from happening in the first place how would he even know it's gonna happen?
All GER would know about is the Iris he is fighting in the present, which will get RTZ, while Future Iris time travels to the past to kill Giorno since there is no other way to kill him, which is totally in character, Iris is completely evil and has no qualms going into the past killing ppl, her and Yoichi killed everyone Kakeru cared about, many many times just to break him mentally since they can't kill each other.
I mean Iris literally spent a century making Overlord which lets her time travel, just to time travel back into the past where she was forced to pretend she is dead cause she couldn't beat Kakeru at the time who had his own Overlord which lets him time travel, she did all that just so she can kill everyone Kakeru cares about cause she was humiliated she had to run before, she is very petty.
All GER would know about is the Iris he is fighting in the present, which will get RTZ, while Future Iris time travels to the past to kill Giorno since there is no other way to kill him, which is totally in character, Iris is completely evil and has no qualms going into the past killing ppl, her and Yoichi killed everyone Kakeru cared about, many many times just to break him mentally since they can't kill each other.
I mean Iris literally spent a century making Overlord which lets her time travel, just to time travel back into the past where she was forced to pretend she is dead cause she couldn't beat Kakeru at the time who had his own Overlord which lets him time travel, she did all that just so she can kill everyone Kakeru cares about cause she was humiliated she had to run before, she is very petty.
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Yes funny valentine could literally go in a specific universe that can be literally 4 infinitely. Universe's in JoJo exist one above the other. Also love Train have literally all dimensions in a single space and time
Ger in canon active instantly when there is action + effect or when someone attacks giorno
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Can he go to all of them at the same time. Love Train is a dimensional barrier that sends misfortunate to parallel worlds.
Already explained above, if he dies in the past, he is too slow to stop it even if it instantly activates.
This is just repetitive at this point.
Already explained above, if he dies in the past, he is too slow to stop it even if it instantly activates.
This is just repetitive at this point.
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This would be enough for D4C Multi+ range
also Giorno RtZ should be 4D due to being above MiH that accelerate time to infinite.
how long is Iris time axis?
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That's not Multiversal+ range. I am not gonna comment on it again because it's derailing this thread.
RTZ being 4-D doesn't matter, if it can't detect changes to the past and react to them.
RTZ being 4-D doesn't matter, if it can't detect changes to the past and react to them.
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4D is literally an ability that can affect past present and future bruh
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btw i already explained multiple times why affecting =/= range. so you need make a CRT because Multiversal+ D4C range isn't a mistake like Tusk act 4. whatever GER still scales there
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This is still being argued.
@manu_zarri By the logic anyone who is 4-D has immeasurable reaction speed, which is not the case. Again if Giorno is already dead in the past, it can't react to it, since it has already happened.
Giorno might have a very strong ability, but it won't matter if he isn't able to use it.
Just cause you are 4-D doesn't mean you can react to things you don't even know about. Like what proves GER has some sort of cosmic awareness that lets it know about events in the past, or even beings from the future of another universe?
The Iris GER is fighting will be RTZ, that Iris true form is in another universe, GER can affect other universes, ok fine, how would it know where true form Iris is? And even if it did how would that help with Future Iris who is in the future of that other universe, and exists in like 100 different timelines? How does GER know those Iris exist and are going to travel to the past to kill it besides lol it's ability is 4-D?
@manu_zarri By the logic anyone who is 4-D has immeasurable reaction speed, which is not the case. Again if Giorno is already dead in the past, it can't react to it, since it has already happened.
Giorno might have a very strong ability, but it won't matter if he isn't able to use it.
Just cause you are 4-D doesn't mean you can react to things you don't even know about. Like what proves GER has some sort of cosmic awareness that lets it know about events in the past, or even beings from the future of another universe?
The Iris GER is fighting will be RTZ, that Iris true form is in another universe, GER can affect other universes, ok fine, how would it know where true form Iris is? And even if it did how would that help with Future Iris who is in the future of that other universe, and exists in like 100 different timelines? How does GER know those Iris exist and are going to travel to the past to kill it besides lol it's ability is 4-D?
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"By the logic anyone who is 4-D has immeasurable reaction speed, which is not the case. Again if GER is already dead in the past, it can't react to it, since it has already happened."
? having AP 4D dosen't mean you have immeansurable speed, having 4D hax could literally cover you from past,present and future obviously. also the fact that his passive means he can't neither time travel, becaue would get returned to zero even before he travel to time
"Just cause you are 4-D doesn't mean you can react to things you don't even know about. Like what proves GER has some sort of cosmic awareness that lets it know about events in the past, or even beings from the future of another universe?"
he is knowing that diavolo is dying infinite in other universes
"The Iris GER is fighting will be RTZ, that Iis true form is in another universe, GER can affect other universes, ok fine, how would it know where true form Iris is, and even if it did how would that help with Future Iris who is in the future of that other universe, and exists in like 100 different timelines, how does GER know those Iris exist and are going to travel to the past to kill it besides lol it's 4-D?"
it wouldn't, it's passive, he would active when he start the action of time travel
? having AP 4D dosen't mean you have immeansurable speed, having 4D hax could literally cover you from past,present and future obviously. also the fact that his passive means he can't neither time travel, becaue would get returned to zero even before he travel to time
"Just cause you are 4-D doesn't mean you can react to things you don't even know about. Like what proves GER has some sort of cosmic awareness that lets it know about events in the past, or even beings from the future of another universe?"
he is knowing that diavolo is dying infinite in other universes
"The Iris GER is fighting will be RTZ, that Iis true form is in another universe, GER can affect other universes, ok fine, how would it know where true form Iris is, and even if it did how would that help with Future Iris who is in the future of that other universe, and exists in like 100 different timelines, how does GER know those Iris exist and are going to travel to the past to kill it besides lol it's 4-D?"
it wouldn't, it's passive, he would active when he start the action of time travel
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also is Iris time travel even in characther?
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Don't think that's the case, there is even an upcoming CRT about Low 2-C being remade to needing to prove the characters destroyed the universe at every point in time, currently that's not the case, all you need is a mention of time and space being destroyed, not that the past, present and future was destroyed.
Because Diavolo is under the effects of his ability, Future Iris isn't. GER knows Diavolo is dying across universes cause that's how its ability works, this is different from finding someone in the future of a another universe, that you don't even know exists.
I already explained above that it is. She time travelled into the past along with Yoichi and repeatedly killed everyone Kakeru cared about just to break him mentally as neither can die due to having the same ability. She made an object that lets her time travel just so she can time travel centuries in the past and kill the people who forced her to play dead.
Anyway this is going nowhere, just in circles, and i am spending too much time arguing this, going to go back to reading WN's.
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Again, you don't seem to understand. 4D is nothing all than an additional axis, MiH destroyed both infinite time and the universe, and reactred the whole history of the universe and his future. and rtz neggs it.
Even Giorno stated that he don't know about his ability, how he can know about his effects? but he stated it. also im pretty sure it's on a low multi scale at least considered the actual range, so it should be enough for a uni+ scale
and in a fight she starts with it?
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