Reinhard vs The Dunwich Horror (Smurfs with 1-A abilities). Hopefully Not a Stomp Addition

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

No, he has a win condition, he just won't use it. That's not a stomp. It's why Medaka and Gil have so many losses, because they have win con they won't use

 

[Extreme123dz]

Dun call his daddy?

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

People saying "lol reinhard throw metal stick" then saying "stomp gg" makes me laugh

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

He can, but Yog probably won't give a shit enough to make a difference in this match

 

[Overlord775]

Isn't yog the only one that would care enought to protect the eldirch horror ?

 

[Warren_Valion]

Giving The Dunwich Horror the time to open the portals before the fight makes this spite.

Please close this.

 

[TonySansNom]

People saying "lol reinhard throw metal stick" then saying "stomp gg" makes me laugh

Why?

 

[Paul_Frank]

I just want to point out that rein has never been shown to use stigmata in combat so idk if it's even possible

I'm also pretty sure he just has to kill them for them to be sucked into gladsheim I don't think he has to use the stigmata first

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Giving The Dunwich Horror the time to open the portals before the fight makes this spite.
Please close this.

Rein has enough attack power to kill most of the known great old ones, and a few of the elder gods. He is also more than capable of winning by using a Stigma before nuking the horror, although he wouldn't in character. That is Rein's win condition, thus it is not a stomp

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Isn't yog the only one that would care enought to protect the eldirch horror ?

I don't think Yog would care enough tbh. The Great Old ones would reap destruction even if they wouldn't block attacks for it or anything like that

 

[Overlord775]

Are we even sure that true self Dunwich isn't weaker level 80 takyou hadou gods ?

 

[Warren_Valion]

What Great Old Ones can Reinhard kill? Cthulu?

If the draw on who is being summoned is random, then the outcome of the battle is inapplicable, and this thread should be closed.

 

[First_Witch]

He does not need to reach his essence if he uses a stigma before he nukes it. Then he has a copy of the dunwich horror in his legion and can summon Gods of his own. Killing it may not incapacitate it, but it works well enough to bring it into his legion. Those are his win conditions, but Rein would not use them in character

Why is a Stigmata needed again? Because going by Reins profile killing it with the spear is enough.

This btw still wont change the fact this fight is a massive stomp if the Horror actually can summon Elder gods (that makes still no sense in context of the mythos but thats not your fault i guess). Most Elder gods would not even bother to help, even if they were summoned.

In fact, what guarantee do we have that a single Elder god dosnt wipe out both of them? Yog sure as hell woudnt care if his spawn gets yeeted. Like, i would be pretty pissed if the son of a dude that i am in war with (at least going by EU, because Outer Gods are evil amirite) randomly summons me and expect me to fight for him.

To summarize: Great Old Ones are a non factor, they get yeeted off with the top tiers as a exception (And only if they are compareable to Hypnos). They might actually aid the Horror because they fear Yoggy as they know what the food chain is. Elder Gods not so much. I dont see Nodens or Bastet aiding the Horror at all. Outer Gods are the only ones who are an actual winning condition for the Horror. They might actually help the Horror and are actually high enough to do the job

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Are we even sure that true self Dunwich isn't weaker level 80 takyou hadou gods ?

It exists in the realms beyond the gates, which doesnt really matter about power. It's several times higher than a qualitative difference above even the likes of Hajun

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

What Great Old Ones can Reinhard kill? Cthulu?
If the draw on who is being summoned is random, then the outcome of the battle is inapplicable, and this thread should be closed.

Most of them actually, but he also summons the elder gods and outer gods

By the way it works, he summons most if not all of them. It's more a question of which ones will help him out and which ones won't. Someone like Nodens wont but the vast majority will.

 

[Overlord775]

It exists in the realms beyond the gates, which doesnt really matter about power. It's several times higher than a qualitative difference above even the likes of Hajun

IRCC last time I checked Hajun was considered comparable to high end gates

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Not even close lol. He is more around the level of Hypnos who was ******** himself from even one gate above

 

[Warren_Valion]

Most of them actually, but he also summons the elder gods and outer gods

By the 'way' it works, he summons most if not all of them. It's more a question of which ones will help him out and which ones won't. Someone like Nodens wont but the vast majority will.

"If the draw on who is being summoned is random, then the outcome of the battle is inapplicable, and this thread should be closed."

 

[Overlord775]

Anyway, the stigma works by manipulating the soul of the target

And considering the true self Dunwich if far beyond what Reinhard can affect it won't work

And even if it did it would work he would get splatted by one of the outer gods before he can summon his own

 

[First_Witch]

Why are we even treating the gods like Pokemons btw.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

@First Witch

Killing its lower form is no issue. The type 9 is. Its essence even after being killed still exists in the land beyond the gates

Not really. He just needs to stigma the horror before he nukes him so he joins his legion. That's his win condition and it stops it from being a stomp

Actually, in the book it was stated that the things he summoned would indeed help him in wiping out humanity. Either way, I blood lusted some of them if you read the OP. Also, the family of the horror including itself were going to be allowed to walk.free at least for a time while humanity died, so the horror itself is at least safe long enough for him to win

Remember that I bloodlusted some of them. Read the OP. Hence the ones that would make it a stomp may not give a crap, but the ones who make it fair are.bloodlusted. and don't forget, it isnt a stomp because they both have win conditions

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Anyway, the stigma works by manipulating the soul of the target
And considering the true self Dunwich if far beyond what Reinhard can affect it won't work

And even if it did it would work he would get splatted by one of the outer gods before he can summon his own

He doesnt need the higher form, he just needs the lower form. It's the lower form that does the summoning, not the essence that exists beyond the gates

His type 8 saves him at least long enough to summon. Either way, it is a win con

 

[First_Witch]

Eh, killing it with the Lance is enough tho, at least going by Reins Profile.

Edit: So apperently the Stigma is only needed if Rein kills it with everything else. Killing it with the spear drags its soul directly to Valhalla.

 

[Warren_Valion]

This entire fight is based on probability and possibility.

There no way to know which gods get summoned, which gods are bloodlusted, which gods Reinhard can beat, et cetera.

There are too many unknowns, this answer to this battle is inapplicable and this thread should be closed.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

>Tier 0 summoning

 

[Elizhaa]

>Tier 0 summoning

ZacharyGrossman273, I was holding it in! It would be a literal GOD STOMP if it happened, no offense to anyone!

 

[ALRF]

> Stigmata is something Reinhard doesn't use it in battle

> Was gonna use it on Kei during their fight only to get interrupted by Ren

K

 

[Overlord775]

He doesnt need the higher form, he just needs the lower form. It's the lower form that does the summoning, not the essence that exists beyond the gates

His type 8 saves him at least long enough to summon. Either way, it is a win con

The lower form doesn't have a soul and Reinhard needs to interact with your soul to turn you in to one of his legion

And even if it worked:

1. Reinhard would not get the knowlage on how to use the summoning powers of the dunwich

2. The gods he summons would turn against him

3. The outer gods that would teoretically care about Dunwich would erase Reinhard to a level his type 8 can't bring him back the moment the match starts

 

[First_Witch]

@Overlord

He can just make his Horror copy do the whole summoning.

But your other points stand. Im not sold on this theoretical Lovecraftrok that is striclty benelovent towards the Horror, but lets just roll with it. The gods would most definitly not help Reinhard and his fake copy.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Nah. His normal thing is who is slain, which is technically different in this case from getting killed. The stigma will allow it to be taken in, his normal Briah would not. Maybe the phrasing is off or something, but the difference is important. Then again that may just be the profile and not the source material, but if that is the case it should be changed

Also doesn't reinhard have ways to BFR or seal anyway?

 

[Overlord775]

Also doesn't reinhard have ways to BFR or seal anyway?

No, the one with that sort of ability is Yakou Madara

 

[ALRF]

No. Yakou doesn't have BFR or Seal

Holy shit where does this misinformation comes from?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

This entire fight is based on probability and possibility.
There no way to know which gods get summoned, which gods are bloodlusted, which gods Reinhard can beat, et cetera.

There are too many unknowns, this answer to this battle is inapplicable and this thread should be closed.

It's not random. Where did you get that from?

It is known. Do they exceed what his lance can kill? It's that simple

That would be inconclusive, so it wouldnt need to be closed anyway

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

> Stigmata is something Reinhard doesn't use it in battle
> Was gonna use it on Kei during their fight only to get interrupted by Ren

K

Good so that makes it an even better match. I was told he doesn't. How many other times has he used it?

 

[ALRF]

He wouldn't use it immediatly from the get go. Probs mid-combat

 

[Overlord775]

No. Yakou doesn't have BFR or Seal
Holy shit where does this misinformation comes from?

"Sealing Techniques: Using paper talismans, Onmyouji are capable of bringing diverse effects by positioning these charms in certain patterns."

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

The lower form doesn't have a soul and Reinhard needs to interact with your soul to turn you in to one of his legion

And even if it worked:

1. Reinhard would not get the knowlage on how to use the summoning powers of the dunwich

2. The gods he summons would turn against him

3. The outer gods that would teoretically care about Dunwich would erase Reinhard to a level his type 8 can't bring him back the moment the match starts

That is an unknown. The birds of dunwich which consume souls still gathered when it was going to die, although they started to die (likely from attempting to eat its soul among other things)

1. Just because he wouldnt think to do it doesn't mean he cant. All he needs to do is open the gates

2. Not necessarily. The summoned Gods destroy but seem to not destroy their summoner since the whatleys would have been safe

3. Speed is equalised so he also gets an opening move at the same time. The stigma is will based at least from the profile, and his spear is instant

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

No. Yakou doesn't have BFR or Seal
Holy shit where does this misinformation comes from?

I was talking with some friends and he mentioned an interview talked about it. That was a question, not a claim

 

[ALRF]

One. Nothing there mentions sealing others. Sealing techniques, specifically the seal, means the paper talismans

Second. The power is immediatly followed by what he had shown to do with it in the entire novel:

• ÕóâþòîÕì░Úææ (Boundary Seal): Yakou creates a barrier that halts incoming attacks. It's powerful enough to protect Yakou and his allies from hundreds of Tsuchigumo.
• þÀèþ©ø (Kinbaku): A technique used to seal Distortions, it was created to supress the catastrophic destruction wrought by star of bad fortune held inside Sakuya's body. Due to her high Distortion value (10), Yakou needed to amplify the effects of this technique by knitting together the fibers of a sacred tree that was more than 1,000 years old and the hair of hundreds of woman in their last month of pregnancy with bloody runes. This multi-layered seal is powerful enough to completely isolate Sakuya from all external dangers.

So yes. No sealing

Dunno where BFR comes from

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

He wouldn't use it immediatly from the get go. Probs mid-combat

Alright. So at least it is applicable