Reinhard Van Astrea vs Death

[Nico-v11]

Ok I’m sorry this match probably makes no sense but hey here we are. More than anything I’m curious about how people will even argue this fight for either…..or just be the most inconclusive fight ever. We’ll see.

Location is Lugunica.

Reinhard van Astrea: 0​

Death (Final Destination): 0​

Inconclusive: 7 (M_Animefan, GoldExPoints, FantaRin_The_First, Epiccheeve, Harith0cell, JackPact, Acer_)​

 

[M_Animefan]

Inconclusive since death is omnipresent and Reinhard has immortality type 8.

 

[GoldExPoints]

Yeah, Death can't kill Rein because of Immortality but Rein can't kill Death because of his range either

 

[M_Animefan]

Yeah, Death can't kill Rein because of Immortality but Rein can't kill Death because of his range either

Yup

 

[Nico-v11]

I might make the location of the fight in the Re:zero world, since Death can influence other people to kill Death’s targets.

 

[Nico-v11]

Well adding the two votes to inconclusive for now.

 

[GoldExPoints]

Is there anyone who can beat Rein in his own verse? I guess people with Authorities can, but that just makes it a stomp because Rein has no way of beating Death

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Is there anyone who can beat Rein in his own verse? I guess people with Authorities can, but that just makes it a stomp because Rein has no way of beating Death

'Sides two other God-Tier Characters, nope. One is sealed, and the other is dead and was only bought back to life in a specific location under specific conditions. Nobody else in the Re: Zero-Verse can harm Reinhard in any physical way that matters.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Q: Reinhard can’t be defeated.

A: No on can defeat him.

Q: Let’s all work together and take down Reinhard! (Proposal)

A: IMPOSSIBRU!!

Q: So, for the moment, it would be ok to understand that it’s impossible to defeat Reinhard?

A: For the moment, it’s impossible.-Q&A 12

Q: Reinhard versus the second through fifth strongest in the world: is victory possible?

A: If we take that as meaning “Can they defeat Reinhard?”, then no.

Q: About how many people would have to work together to defeat Reinhard?

A: The four strongest characters in the story, after Reinhard, couldn’t defeat him working together.-Q&A 1

As Fanta said, the 2 God tiers that can give him a challenge are sealed or dead, and the others don't have the hax to handle the guy, like Cecilius if we take one interpretation is Reinhard level in stats, but doesn't have the hax to compete.

Volcanica, another God tier, has Alzheimer's so again not an option, and Reinhard would win anyway even if it was in perfect health.

 

[GoldExPoints]

Well that just makes another longer, slightly more interesting incon since it'd just become Rein vs. All of RE:Zero lmao

 

[Nico-v11]

Ok I’ve changed the location to Lugunica. Keep in mind that Death has all of Reinhard’s life span to kill him. So it can get creative, using natural disasters and now magic being added to its arsenal.

 

[GoldExPoints]

Keep in mind that Death has all of Reinhard’s life span to kill him.

How does Death's age hax work again?

So it can get creative, using natural disasters and now magic being added to its arsenal.

As said before, nothing in the verse can even scratch Rein besides someone who's sealed and someone who's dead. So unless Death can somehow unseal that guy, nothing much changes

 

[Nico-v11]

How does Death's age hax work again?

As said before, nothing in the verse can even scratch Rein besides someone who's sealed and someone who's dead. So unless Death can somehow unseal that guy, nothing much changes

I mean…..it could there’s nothing saying it can’t per say. As for the age manipulation, I don’t remember anything like that in the movies, but I assume it means dying by old age.

 

[Nico-v11]

Bump

 

[Nico-v11]

Bump

 

[Nico-v11]

Bump

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

I'm just going to throw my hat into the bin, and vote for incon FRA.

 

[Epiccheev]

Assuming waiting for Reinhard dying of old age is not a wincon, then incon FRA

 

[Nico-v11]

Assuming waiting for Reinhard dying of old age is not a wincon, then incon FRA

Can he even die from old age?

 

[Epiccheev]

imagine if in canon he reaches 250 years then dies of old age, only to come back and die again endlessly because od laguna didn't want to let go.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Haven't you heard a hero never dies as long as someone needs saving?

On a serious note though, Reinhard was chosen by the world, which won't let him die, why and for what reason, who knows at this point, maybe it's to combat some future threat or something. He is naturally strong, but the world also just gives him tricks on top of it, we don't know if those tricks will one day go away after he fulfils his purpose, so who knows if he can die of old age, we can't really prove he won't die of old age right now.

 

[Nico-v11]

Haven't you heard a hero never dies as long as someone needs saving?

On a serious note though, Reinhard was chosen by the world, which won't let him die, why and for what reason, who knows at this point, maybe it's to combat some future threat or something. He is naturally strong, but the world also just gives him tricks on top of it, we don't know if those tricks will one day go away after he fulfils his purpose, so who knows if he can die of old age, we can't really prove he won't die of old age right now.

Would you like to vote as well?

 

[Nico-v11]

Bump

 

[Jackpact]

Maybe this match is the reason why the world chose Reinhard

On a more serious note, would death trying everything and basically kill everyone or even all life on the planet as a side effect would just make the world to just let Reinhard go since there are nothing left to do for him? Death have all the time in the world to kill him after all.

Thinking about it, Reinhard is the one who would suffer the most, he would be seeing people die because of him and he would revive them just for them to die again and again and again, everyone just become a walmart Subaru and Reinhard would just slowly went mad but he can't cause the authority just make him sane again just for him to went mad, a cycle of sane and insane for all eternity till Reinhard become numb to it, quite sad.

 

[Nico-v11]

Maybe this match is the reason why the world chose Reinhard

On a more serious note, would death trying everything and basically kill everyone or even all life on the planet as a side effect would just make the world to just let Reinhard go since there are nothing left to do for him? Death have all the time in the world to kill him after all.

Well Death does operate under rules and people have survived Death…..temporarily by locking themselves into rooms that are 100% safe (no sharp objects, electricity, and other harmful objects). They only died when they decided to leave the rooms.

No one has survived Death longer than a year though. Clear Rivers had locked herself in a mental institution to be “safe” from Death until she left a year later.

 

[DigiAnymore]

how wide or how big is Death's omnipresent range? if indeed Reinhard does not have enough potential to reach Omnipresent Death, as you said this could be Inconclusive because of Reinhard's Divine Protection & Immortality where Reinhardt will rise and will not be allowed to die by the world(Od Laguna)

 

[Nico-v11]

how wide or how big is Death's omnipresent range? if indeed Reinhard does not have enough potential to reach Omnipresent Death, as you said this could be Inconclusive because of Reinhard's Divine Protection & Immortality where Reinhardt will rise and will not be allowed to die by the world(Od Laguna)

Well as far as the movies go, Death is treated as the literal concept of
Death. So anywhere a person can possibly die, Death is present.

 

[Nico-v11]

@DigiAnymore well if you’re leaning towards inconclusive, can I count that as a vote?

 

[Nico-v11]

Ok I totally just realized something. In Final Destination 2 there were two survivors that managed to permanently cheat Death by “getting new life” (drowning and being brought back to life). Which Death would then ignore the afterwards.

Reinhardt having his blessing of Phoenix means Death would just stop coming after Reinhardt after killing him once.

Technically wouldn’t this mean that Reinhardt wins via Death giving up?

 

[DigiAnymore]

Well as far as the movies go, Death is treated as the literal concept of
Death. So anywhere a person can possibly die, Death is present.

I see

 

[DigiAnymore]

@DigiAnymore well if you’re leaning towards inconclusive, can I count that as a vote?

Of course

 

[Nico-v11]

Vote added

 

[Harith0cell]

Incon fra

 

[Jackpact]

Ok I totally just realized something. In Final Destination 2 there were two survivors that managed to permanently cheat Death by “getting new life” (drowning and being brought back to life). Which Death would then ignore the afterwards.

Reinhardt having his blessing of Phoenix means Death would just stop coming after Reinhardt after killing him once.

Technically wouldn’t this mean that Reinhardt wins via Death giving up?

You're assuming that death would be able to in the first place, but if Rein somehow do then yeah it's his win as Death would be peacing out, weird wincon but okay.

 

[Nico-v11]

You're assuming that death would be able to in the first place, but if Rein somehow do then yeah it's his win as Death would be peacing out, weird wincon but okay.

By influencing others to fight Reinhard, this also takes place in the Re:zero world.

 

[Jackpact]

I mean, you say it yourself that no one would be able to scratch him and those that can is either dead or sealed or wouldn't be able to beat him, so really it would just an eternal stalemate. Altho, the fight could eventually end with the star naturally go supernova or red star, likely killing Reinhard permanantly since the world is gone with him, so would this just be a very, very long fight that Death win?

Now I'm just confused now, either someone can kill Reinhard and he win cause Death gonna go bye, or the sun kill Reinhard and the world and Death win. Tho would Reinhard really win since Death would still technically be there in Re:zero due to him now being it grim reaper, just not interest in him in the unlikely case that he die.

 

[Nico-v11]

I mean, you say it yourself that no one would be able to scratch him and those that can is either dead or sealed or wouldn't be able to beat him, so really it would just an eternal stalemate. Altho, the fight could eventually end with the star naturally go supernova or red star, likely killing Reinhard permanantly since the world is gone with him, so would this just be a very, very long fight that Death win?

Now I'm just confused now, either someone can kill Reinhard and he win cause Death gonna go bye, or the sun kill Reinhard and the world and Death win. Tho would Reinhard really win since Death would still technically be there in Re:zero due to him now being it grim reaper, just not interest in him in the unlikely case that he die.

I mean I GUESS if this lasted till the sun explodes then Death wins or the alternative is that someone in the verse gets him to use his blessing of phoenix which would cause Death “give up” on killing him…..which would be the weirdest win condition ever.

 

[Jackpact]

Alright so, what do you guys think would be more likely? "Fight" got stalled till the time the sun blow up and Death win, or someone somehow kill Reinhard for him to ressurect himself for Death to... Leave? Like he wouldn't leave now would he? He would still be in the verse killing everyone else as he would be their grim reaper and eventually the sun blow up and Death would still win by technicality, or does not being interested in your opponent and go around killing everyone else an actual wincon?

 

[Nico-v11]

Alright so, what do you guys think would be more likely? "Fight" got stalled till the time the sun blow up and Death win, or someone somehow kill Reinhard for him to ressurect himself for Death to... Leave? Like he wouldn't leave now would he? He would still be in the verse killing everyone else as he would be their grim reaper and eventually the sun blow up and Death would still win by technicality, or does not being interested in your opponent and go around killing everyone else an actual wincon?

Well Death would give up on actively trying to kill Reinhard and instead would let Reinhard just live without any direct intervention.

I’m gonna go check the rules for win conditions and see how that works in this case.

 

[Jackpact]

Well he would but wincon of bfr and incap wouldn't be applied since Death is both omnipresent and would still linger on Re: Zero and continue his job and he is definitely not incapped.