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Reinhard Heydrich vs Novel Kars

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Kars finds out about Reinhard and deems him a threat to humanity. He learns about Reinhard using D4CU and thus has prior knowledge.

Sir Haxalot vs Haxxy McHaxato

Interview with Kaziklu Bey Reinhard. Novel Kars has all Stands, and in case it wasn't made clear, he does have prior knowledge about Reinhard but not the other way around. Win via death, BFR, or incapitation.

I would equalize speed but Kars has infinite speed, and I doubt Reinhard can get any faster than that. However, speed equalized if needed.

Reinhard's type 8 immortality is disabled.

Reinhard Tristan Eugen Heydrich render by HIT IT
Kars render


Discuss.
 
Doesn't reinhard stomp? And again the spamming of reinhard matches, seriously can't ppl use other masadaverse characters, there is plenty of hax there besides reinhard.
 
Wait just realized the op just put a universe+ guy with infinite speed and prior knowledge vs reinhard... I see
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
Doesn't reinhard stomp? And again the spamming of reinhard matches, seriously can't ppl use other masadaverse characters, there is plenty of hax there besides reinhard.
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Reinhard "sword saint " was also good toys for spamming matches when he first appears back in his "you can't hit me " days , and people tend to take one character out of many in each verse , i mean for example 80% of toaru matches are just accel and fimma
 
Jeez.

Everyone just tore into OP lol.

As for this battle I dunno.

Kars is super hax and so is Rein as I know.

I'll wait for others views on how this fight goes.
 
Kars takes this via copying powers and outperforming them especially with prior info as he'd already know what the other dude has and potentially gain resitances to it from that alone, of course taking a peek at the other dude's wiki Kars only really takes this if he's not the clearly obvious 1-A incarnation.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Kars takes this via copying powers and outperforming them especially with prior info as he'd already know what the other dude has and potentially gain resitances to it from that alone, of course taking a peek at the other dude's wiki Kars only really takes this if he's not the clearly obvious 1-A incarnation.
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Would he not be able to find his 1-A version and copy from there too?
 
Maybe he could but he lacks the feats, it would only be hypotheticals at that point and no limit fallacies so for the sake of argument, no he couldn't unless shown otherwise and the only way that'd happen is if JoJolion gets some super ******* broken character that he'd scale off of via statements like GER or Tusk>That super broken character. So no, Kars can't copy as his best feats are casually copying 2-C, maybe 2-B at a stretch but I'd need to go back and read for the latter there.
 
If Kars already has knowledge on Reinhard, doesn't he just steal his abilities and make them stronger?
 
... Frankly, if we are talking about Low 2-C Kars, I can't see Reinhard winning this. Even with speed equalized.

I mean, yeah, perhaps Longinus'd oneshot Kars, but Kars has so many more ways to win the battle, and the chance of Reinhard instantly using Longinus is so slim that I'd hardly bet on that.
 
Well, all Kars needs to be able to steal abilities is to have knowledge in them, iirc, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that with prep, Kars definitely wins
 
I know little about kars "been while since i watched part 2 " but if he can really steal abilities after knowing them then this battle isn't fair imo , this is clearly giving the win to kars

Although Reinhard can still one shot him if he pull the spear
 
Reinhard

I'm sure he'll love the fight and it will be an extremely tough fight with Kars broken power copying, but Kar has no way to put down Mid-Godly regen. And in the end Kars requires exposure to an ability to copy it, and the moment he is "exposed" to Reinhard's spear, thats the end of Kars.

He can't even escape to other universes thanks to multiversal Gladshiemr teleport, and no he cannot copy Reinhard's law that is a massive NLF. Its a power that ascends one beyond all concepts of time and dimensions. Kars conceptually understanding how that works is quite literally impossible for him as a 3D being.

Furthermore, speed isn't equalised, and as there are degrees of infinity, Fenris wolf is still going to make Reinhard faster than Kars
 
Ok full analysis time now.

Kars Powers

Superhuman Physical Characteristics - 6-B to Reinhard's 6-A likely higher

Enhanced Senses, Body Control,Shapeshifting, Biological Manipulation, Absorption (purely physical and doesn't target the soul or anything I believe, but corect me if I'm wrong. Being able to absorb a continent being when one is only physically country level is still probably not going to work though), Light Manipulation, Explosion Manipulation - all pretty much meaningless against Reinhard thanks to Low-Godly regen and soul sensing

Immortality (Types 1 and 3) - not going to help against Reinhard

Regenerationn (Mid-High) - again, not going to help

Resistance to Explosion Manipulation and Time Manipulation - The explosion resistance (as an actual power) is questionable seeing as Killer Queen is only High 8-C to Kar's 6-B - of course it couldn't hurt him. Time Manipulation, I'm not sure how Reinhard uses that, but for the sake of the battle I'll say it lets Kars resist it. Someone else's input on this would be appreciated though

Resistance to Willpower Manipulation - the reasoning on this seems weird, but ok. Reinhard can do more than simple Willpower Manipulation, plus he managed to talk the population of a city into commiting suicide, and I don't think that was done supernaturally.

Soul Manipulation - Reinhard resists and can regenerate from any soul damage Kars manages to do

Adaptation - basic adaptation is not helping

Ok, now we get to the important stuff.

Reactive Evolution, and Power Mimicry - Kars has full knowledge on Reinhard. I'm not sure if that includes knowledge of how his powers work to mimic them, but I'll assume it does. Here's the thing though. As a physical 6-B without any soul stock, Kars cannot use any of Reinhard's powers, or else he will end up like this . Dies Irae Briahs require soul stock to use (which in my opinion, not illogically so, translates to sheer power). Unfortunately, Kars is neither on the same tier as Reinhard to have the sheer power, nor does he have the soul stock, to use these abilities.

Whitesnake Ultimate - again, Reinhard resists soul manipulation and can regenerate any damage

Das Boot Ultimate - Low-Godly to Mid-Godly regen make this completely useless, as does Reinhard's far higher base durability.

Dune Ultimate - earth and sand manip is not helping

The World Ultimate - Reinhard resists time manip, but I'm not sure if he can resist complete time stop. Low-Mid-Godly regen still take care of any damage done during the time stop though

C-Moon Ultimate - Reinhard is strong enough to tank it without too much issue.

Killer Queen - High 8-C is not nearly enough force to scratch Reinhard, let alone blow him up, and I'm pretty sure a general resistance to time manipulation would include resistance to fate manipulation. Even if it doesn't ... low to mid godly regen. This isn't helping Kars

D4C Ultimate - This seems to do existence erasure via time paradox. Time manipulation is something Reinhard resists. Plus Reinhard is probably not going to let himself just be taken into a different universe. And it won't help Kars escape Reinhard either, thanks to Gladshiemr multiversal teleportation.

Made in Heaven Ultimate - useless for 2 reasons. A) it takes some time to work and B) Reinhard can just use Gladshiemr to hop to another universe to avoid the effects.

So... yeah.

Reinhard takes this. As for Kar's infinite speed, Nifelheim Fenriswolf laughs.
 
Oh I forgot to say how Reinhard wins this, only why Kar's abilities aren't going to help

He resists Kar's abilities, punches Kars to mush then watches him regen several times, gets annoyed with the lack of a good battle, then concept/soul destroy Kars with his spear.
 
The explosion manipulation ignores durability via atomization, and Kars was completely unharmed, which is why it's actually impressive, not just a High 8-C attack slapping Kars lightly
 
Oh ok. Still, atomization won't help against Low-Mid Godly regen

And wouldn't that be more of a resistance to atomization than explosions? His profile right now kinda gives the wrong impression
 
Kars wouldn't need to take Reinhard to a different universe, D4C is basically rigged for him to be able to bring copies in from a different universe to his own also D4C I wouldn't call time manipulation as it literally creates the universe's and enforces a universal constant. Also white snake allows Kars to take the memories of someone else for his own use so even if prior info somehow means he doesn't have all info he would with that then there's the fact that Kars inserted his stand into Joji and he burst like a balloon and died because mortals can't handle Kars powers which I bring up as ya said Kars wouldn't be able to handle his power but Kars has a similar type of feat in story for what it's worth. I still believe that Kars could replicate basically any power or at least gain resistance to it as long as the power is being performed under the opponent's own power and not under technology in which case the resistance part still applies. Also D4C clones help out as usual.
 
Yeah, D4C paradoxes someone when they touch their alternate self, the only exception being the user
 
Any argument about Reinhard being unable to withstand Kar's inserting his stand into him are rendered null by the fact that Reinhard is 6-A likely higher to Kars' 6-B and thus already withstanding more power than Kars does to begin with. Also Reinhard isn't mortal.

Kars taking Reinhard's memories is impossible, thanks to his resistance to mind manipulation and mind reading. And OP says Reinhard only has prior knowledge through D4CU, not through Whitesnake.

Kars has no soul stock to power a briah he copies, nor is his body physically powerful enough to wield the copied effects, if such a thing is even possible (which I believe it is, but Masadaverse experts might disagree). Kars would kill himself on a physical, spiritual, mental, and conceptual level by trying to use a copied briah

Reinhard needs to get close or touch to his d4cu alternate for erasure to work. Not only that, but Machina, who's Briah erases people along with their presence from history, apparently states he would struggle to erase Reinhard, so its still questionable if it would work. And if Reinhard is inside Gladshiemr at the time, even if it does work, he'd come back.

Also, D4CU clones of Kars are countered by Reinhard's 200,000 members of his legion, most of which have op hax too, and all of which have Mid-Godly regen.
 
Stands work differently to Briahs. Kars needs to either be physically powerful enough to use the briah, or have a massive soul stock to fuel it. Even if Kar's stands can do low 2-C things, that is because of their own hax, which don't require souls to power them, not because he himself is powerful enough to do it.

And when Reinhard has resistance to just about all of Kar's hax, AP comes into play, and Kars ap is not enough for this fight.
 
And Kars has copied powers that are 2-C in nature and can laugh off stuff like casualty manipulation and fate manipulation. Also Kars can bring in the clone through Reinhard himself, he can use other people's bodies to transport their copies, Valentine did something similar. And if Soul Stock isn't technological Kars adapts and can now use one too, if not he still gains resistance.

Kars is a super genius, he'd understand that stuff and I brought up D4C clones not as they're good for attacking but rather cannon fodder plus he could always have them test out the powers and if they get killed hed adapt to it regardless.
 
So, is there anything Reinhard has that doesn't require the AP and Dura or the Soul stock? (I'm absolutely clueless as to anything in the masadaverse)
 
I cast my vote towards Kars, even if he lacks the hax he won't by the time the battle is over. Also another interesting feat but probably not relevant but in the novel ger dropped pucci into a void and ger is nothing to Kars.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
And Kars has copied powers that are 2-C in nature and can laugh off stuff like casualty manipulation and fate manipulation. Also Kars can bring in the clone through Reinhard himself, he can use other people's bodies to transport their copies, Valentine did something similar. And if Soul Stock isn't technological Kars adapts and can now use one too, if not he still gains resistance.
Kars is a super genius, he'd understand that stuff and I brought up D4C clones not as they're good for attacking but rather cannon fodder plus he could always have them test out the powers and if they get killed hed adapt to it regardless.
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You are not listening. Kars' copying 2-C is because those 2-C abilities don't require anything to power them. Reinhard's abilities ALL need soul stock to power them and if you don't have it when you try to use the ability, you start dying horribly. Simpe as that.

Again, Machina said he wouldn't be able to erase Reinhard, so paradoxing him is out. Mid-Godly regen takes care of that too.

Soul stock requires a magical ritual and a holy relic to gain the ability to take souls, then requires you to go out and kill people for their souls. Reinhard has over 200,000 souls. Kars has none. He can't use the briah.

Kars has no way to put Reinhard down, thanks to his resistances to everything and his Low-Mid Godly regen.

Reinhard on the other hand will have a nice punch up with Kars, then either get bored of fighting, or "love" Kars for the enjoyable fight and reward him by letting him join the legion - i.e. hit him with the distance ignoring, instantly hitting, one-hit KO, always accurate conceptual erasure spear. And if Kars uses his clones to take that hit for him, guess what. Reinhard now has clones of Novel Kars that he can summon to fight for him and use all the powers and knowledge of.

Kars isn't winning this. He put up a good fight, but he is taken down in the end.
 
That's not true Esidisi had thousands of souls in his body, Kars has way more so that ain't relevant. Is soul stock technological in nature, if not then it's irrelevant since he already has souls in his disposal.
 
Also, never actually fully read Jorge Joestar, but the alternates don't have D4C and Kars could always bring in regular Part 2 Kars or a super weak Kars (for example, Diego and AU Diego were entirely different and iirc Valentine said something about infinite universes, I should probably reread SBR though) but yeah, I'm convinced that Reinhard eventually throws his spear and wins, but technically, wouldn't Whitesnake be able to take souls for use of Reinhard's abilities?
 
Since when does Esidisi have thousands of souls? His absorption is purely physical, he basically digests people when they touch him. He doesn't get their souls
 
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