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Reinhard Heydrich vs Novel Kars

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Briah works differently because its derived from the user soul's deepest craving. So unless Kars has the exact same concept of "love" just like Reinhard, has the exact same craving as Reinhard, somehow can get his hand on Die Ewigkeit, having born far too strong which is just the result of being born as Mercurius' Apoptosis, can get his hand on Longinuslanze Testament (which he obviously can't), and other reasons i'm probably forgetting, he can't copy anything from him. And if you're still gonna say that "hurdur muh Kars copy them fine hurdur", lemme tell you this. What a fine little NLF you got there bruh.

Also, Longinus itself damages soul if its getting looked at. So the act of Kars simply looking at Beast's general direction would damage him without Beast doing anything. So yeah, Beast Longinus'd him outta existance
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Kars has way more so that ain't relevant. Is soul stock technological in nature, if not then it's irrelevant since he already has souls in his disposal.
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It is in a way that its something that came from Die Ewigkeit. Something which requieres an Ahnenerbe to work
 
I just rewatched it. All he is talking about is life energy, not souls. Its just the energy he has absorbed from people by eating them, not their souls.
 
Stands are like that too, they're essentially the users soul, didn't stop him from copying them. I'm aware it's a nlf but it's not like I'd say Kars can copy tier 1 characters or the like, I personally believe Kars can copy a lot of those powers, he'd obviously lose to the tier 1 incarnation obviously but this one I don't believe so. As for soul damage, Dio cut his soul in two and took no damage if that matters at all.
 
JustSomeWeirdo said:
Technically, wouldn't Whitesnake be able to take souls for use of Reinhard's abilities?
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1. He would need to take over 200,000 to even have a hope of using them on the same level as Reinhard can, and if he tries to without having enough souls, his own powers will turn against him and start killing him on spiritual, mental, conceptual and physical levels.

2. Where is he getting all these souls?

3. Whitesnake can't convert souls to power, which is what is happening, so it wouldn't even give Kars the power he needs.
 
Die Ewigkeit and by extension, Briah. Need an Ahnenerbe to work, something that by your own word cannot be copied by Kars. And again, unless Kars meets all the things i said above, he ain't copying anything from the Beast
 
I said this already J-Man. In order to use someone's Briah, Kars needs their Holy Relic, an ancient technological artifact that literally merges with their body that has some deep personal connection to them, knowledge of how to use the Die Ewigkeit ritual to convert souls to power, and about 200,000 actual souls to use them on a level comparable to Reinhard's. He has none of these things.
 
And quotes of Dio cutting Kar's soul in two?

Not that that would help against being conceptually erased on both a spiritual level and throughout all of time.
 
Souls aren't a problem with D4C, I'd say he could use D4C to gain access to them is steal one from an alternate reality but that seems like grasping at straws. Anyway does the Lance hit through universe's as this could effect my opinion on things.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Kars could take his own souls with D4C if that ends up needing to happen. Quick question can his Lance hit through universe's?
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AFAIK Longinus can't hit someone in another universe. But that's irrelevant if Kars cannot do it in a literal instant. Even if he can, Beast has a golden skeleton cab that can teleport there just fine
 
The lance will hit undodgeably anyone in the same universe in the same instant it is thrown.

Fenriswolf makes Reinhard always faster than his opponent, even if their speed is infinite.

And Gladshiemr can teleport between universes.

Combine these, and yes, you have a Lance that can hit through universes, and a Reinhard that can do it faster than Kars can react.
 
And if Kars starts using D4CU to get souls in the middle of the battle, Reinhard is hardly going to sit back and watch. He'd either stop it from happening, get in on the soul buffet and increase both his actual power level and gain more abilities, or kill Kars while he is distracted grabbing souls.

And again, even if he has them, Kars cannot convert the souls to the power he needs to fuel a Briah, nor can he copy the Briahs seeing as they are tied to a personal holy relic to work
 
Fabtastic Glasses said:
Die Ewigkeit and by extension, Briah. Need an Ahnenerbe to work, something that by your own word cannot be copied by Kars. And again, unless Kars meets all the things i said above, he ain't copying anything from the Beast
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Just a question, is a Ahnenerbe another way of saying a holy relic?
 
@J-Man, Reinhard has soul sensing, which can sense any and every soul in the surrouding few kilometres down to even the smallest differences in a person's soul. His Lance also has the property of "never missing" in addition to its other stuff (OHKO, instantly hits, always faster than the opponent) so if Reinhard is trying to hit the original Kars he was fighting, all he needs to do is throw the spear while wanting to hit that Kars, and it will hit him.
 
I don't even know how you manage to miss whose name i tagged in earlier comment. Regarding your question.

It won't matter, if Beast aim his spear towards main body Kars, it will hit main body Kars due to the nature of Eleonore's Briah. And considering what would happen if Machina succeed in punching Methuselah in IkaBey, Kars using D4CU against Beast is just a suicidal act anyway
 
Should this be closed as a haxstomp, considering what people have said? (Again, I know absolutely nothing about the Masadaverse, but from what I'm seeing Kars has no chance)
 
Yeah sorry, don't know how I did either. As it is, I'm probably gonna for inconclusive due the spear if Kars can't replicate his powers as that'd just lead into an eternal game of chase through universe hopping since with prior info I don't see Kars losing, if he can't win he'd essentially know when to piss off and if Reinhard can universe hop and also know which universe Kars is in which wouldn't allow Kars to prep then it's just a game of chase at that point.
 
Close it for haxstomp. Fabulous ancient Aztec man has no chance whatsoever and one of his best kit to cheat his way through victory will be his downfall instead in this match

Though if someone else has differing opinions. I guess you can keep it open
 
Reinhard won't use his spear until the very end when he's decided its over already, so I'm not sure its a haxstomp as we can basically ignore that part until the end of the fight. But it is quite decisive.

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@J-Man, if Kars tries to escape into a different universe, that is basically the same as BFRing himself anyway
 
Not quite arrogance, but CIS yes. He only feels alive when he is fighting to the death with someone, so if he's enjoying the fight he'd try to drag it out as long as possible

On the other hand if he doesn't enjoy the fight (generally by the opponent being too weak or otherwise unable to give him a good fight), he will just get annoyed and throw the spear.

He'd likely enjoy this fight simply from the sheer hax and stuff getting thrown around, but in the end Kars has nothing that can put him down so Reinhard will eventually say "well that was a good fight. Now join my legion so I can love you forever" *throws Lance*
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
BFR for a month is auto loss.
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So then Kars leaving the battlefield for a month trying to escape into different dimensions would be an auto-loss, yes

Oh hang on, win via incap or death.

Still, with Fenriswolf Reinhard will always be faster than Kars, so he will eventually catch up with Gladshiemr and throw the spear
 
That's one of the reasons I asked if he could tell which is which since he'd need to pick which universe Kars went to out of an nigh innumerable amount as Kars exists in different universe.
 
Here is how I visualise this fight:

They enter the field and start fighting (I'm no good at pre battle banter)

Hax is being thrown around everywhere. Giant flaming hell castles, Time is accelerating, Soul burning fire, KQ bombs, spikes made of blood, Whitesnake is trying to steal souls, decomposing fog is everywhere, C Moon gravity slams, D4CU clones are appearing everywhere, legion members are appearing everywhere, Reinhard and Kars are both fist fighting in the middle of it all punching each other and regenerating constantly, Reinhard is becoming fire and lighting, Kars is trying to copy Reinhard's powers but reailises the mechanics of it are too different and he can't copy it, and eventually Kars begins to be beaten down. Reinahrd is like "Cool fight. Now Imma gonna love you" and Kars is like "aw hell naw" and D4CU's the hell out of there. Reinhard is like "wait, you running from me mate?" and starts teleporting after him with Gladshiemr and Kars is crapping his loincloth at this point as he is just creating new universe after new universe trying to escape, and Reinhard is in the universe just behind him, slowly catching up and then suddenly they are both in the same universe and Reinhard throws his spear and gg.

That's just how I see it going though
 
I don't know if Reinhard has some way to tell which universe Kars has gone too.

But honestly, if Reinhard is trying to kill Kars and is annoyed at him running away, he'd probably just go full Hadou God and wipe every universe out. Like, Kars is just running. At this point the VS battle as it stands is pretty much over. We have a winner because the loser has given up and run.

OP, can you make BFR a victory condition?
 
Oh I know it is restricted. I'm just making the point that Reinahrd has pretty much won if Kars is fleeing into other universes
 
Like, I consider something a stomp if there isn't even a fight. If someone just thinks and their opponent is erased. If someone blitzes and kill the other before they even comprehend the fight has begun. If attempting to physically hit the opponent breaks your hands, and they kill you with a single casual punch. None of that really happens here, there's still a fight. Throwing the Spear is more like a Mortal Kombat fatality here than a hax stomp. By the time Reinhard chooses to use his spear, he'll have already won the fight essentially
 
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