Reid VS Kenshiro (Re:Zero VS Fist of the North Star) (7-7-2)

[VortechsTG]

Literal low tiers skill wise in ReZero can predict teleportation. I have no idea why that is being used as an argument here

 

[Fezzih_007]

Literal low tiers skill wise in ReZero can predict teleportation. I have no idea why that is being used as an argument here

You know, not all people have read Re:ZERO, so you can't expect them to know.


Also don't help that is not on his profile.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Hokuto will not die until his soul is destroyed.

Kenshiro doesn’t even have the martial art that it even comes from on his profile.

 

[VortechsTG]

You know, not all people have read Re:ZERO, so you can't expect them to know.

Also don't help that is not on his profile.

Have we not been talking about how insane their intuition is all the time? That is on his profile.

 

[Lynieryz]

Reid's reaction to space-manip black hole BFR;

There is nothing for him to cut in the case of Soryu Tenha, the target is simply transported to the void and has his powers completely nullified.

Reid can cut space.

Through an attack that moves through space... the spatial distortion will alter the space causing the course that the attack follows to have its direction changed.

Reid is a whole skillchain above people who can predict teleportation.

Literally irrelevant, Reid is not faster than an instantaneous teleport and the moment Hokuto teleports to Reid, Reid will be disintegrated by Hokuto's passive aura.

Reid can physically cut the soul.

Scan?

 

[Lynieryz]

Kenshiro doesn’t even have the martial art that it even comes from on his profile.

Kenshiro stands as the single most skilled fighter in his setting, surpassing all his predecessors and having absolute mastery over every single martial art displayed throughout the series.

His technique and grace are unrivaled. He's capable of mastering an opponent's martial art after seeing it once, to the point where he can simply nullify its effects and see right through it.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Also counted all the votes (I probably missed some)

 

[Zabazab]

There is nothing for him to cut in the case of Soryu Tenha, the target is simply transported to the void and has his powers completely nullified.

The scan says defenses & barriers are nulled, why would Reid no longer be able to cut?

Through an attack that moves through space... the spatial distortion will alter the space causing the course that the attack follows to have its direction changed.

No. Cutting space itself would bypass bending space to change the course of the attack. The space is being bisected by the attack, it's not being travelled through.

Literally irrelevant, Reid is not faster than an instantaneous teleport and the moment Hokuto teleports to Reid, Reid will be disintegrated by Hokuto's passive aura.

It's really not, since the deconstruction has been shown to only happen with near-direct contact and never effects the full body.

Scan?

• Non-Physical Interaction (He is far superior to Old Wilhelm, who can cut through[8] the Unseen Hand, which is intangible.[8] He is superior to Cecilus, who can kill invisible things by merely touching them with his blade.[9] He is superior to Reinhard, who can cut through Petelgeuse's disembodied spirit.[10] He can cut light itself,[4] and he can cut things that do not exist materially,[11] as well as cutting concepts themselves[7])

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

The scan says defenses & barriers are nulled, why would Reid no longer be able to cut?

“leaving only a fight to death with nothing but one's bare hands“

 

[Zabazab]

“leaving only a fight to death with nothing but one's bare hands“

Sure, this text says that, but the linked scan doesn't.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Sure, this text says that, but the linked scan doesn't.

The scan works fine for me wtf, does imgur not work for some people or something?

Anyway, this should work.

 

[Zabazab]

The scan works fine for me wtf, does imgur not work for some people or something?

Anyway, this should work.

No, the scan works fine. It just doesn't say "leaving only a fight to death with nothing but one's bare hands".

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

No, the scan works fine. It just doesn't say "leaving only a fight to death with nothing but one's bare hands".

“This fight is fist against fist…”

Yeah… Don’t know what else you want me to say here.

 

[Lynieryz]

The scan says defenses & barriers are nulled, why would Reid no longer be able to cut?

"THIS FIGHT IS FIST AGAINST FIST..."

No. Cutting space itself would bypass bending space to change the course of the attack. The space is being bisected by the attack, it's not being travelled through.

No, only if it were applied directly to the attack instead of the space that the attack has not yet crossed, the attack travels through space, it literally only follows the direction it was launched until it hits something.

It's really not, since the deconstruction has been shown to only happen with near-direct contact and never effects the full body.

No, the entire body was not erased because only the arms came within range of the aura, Kenshiro just has to teleport extremely close to Raid and he will be completely erased.

Non-Physical Interaction (He is far superior to Old Wilhelm, who can cut through[8] the Unseen Hand, which is intangible.[8] He is superior to Cecilus, who can kill invisible things by merely touching them with his blade.[9] He is superior to Reinhard, who can cut through Petelgeuse's disembodied spirit.[10] He can cut light itself,[4] and he can cut things that do not exist materially,[11] as well as cutting concepts themselves[7])

Spirits are not souls they are composed of mana.

 

[noninho]

Just so you guys know
If it stays 2-2-2 for 48h, y'all may add this match as incon

Edit: to be more precise, if for 48h the diff doesn't get bigger than 2 votes for any option

 

[VortechsTG]

No. Cutting space itself would bypass bending space to change the course of the attack. The space is being bisected by the attack, it's not being travelled through.

And we know it works anyway cause spatial manipulation is not exactly rare and Beatrice can do almost exactly this.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Just so you guys know
If it stays 2-2-2 for 48h, y'all may add this match as incon

Edit: to be more precise, if for 48h the diff doesn't get bigger than 2 votes for any option

Nah, It needs to hit 7 votes first.

 

[Zabazab]

“This fight is fist against fist…”

"THIS FIGHT IS FIST AGAINST FIST..."

This is an extremely common phrase. It's also directly preceeded by "Barriers of fighting aura have no place in our fight".

This doesn't suggest that it'll like, yoink away Reid's sword/Chopsticks and prevent him from using CM2.

No, only if it were applied directly to the attack instead of the space that the attack has not yet crossed, the attack travels through space, it literally only follows the direction it was launched until it hits something.

An attack that is cleaving space is not travelling through it as a medium, it's splitting it.

No, the entire body was not erased because only the arms came within range of the aura, Kenshiro just has to teleport extremely close to Raid and he will be completely erased.

Nobody in FotNS has ever been completely deconstructed by aura.

Spirits are not souls they are composed of mana.

Petelgeuse is very explicitly unable to construct a body from Mana. His soul can only possess suitable vessels. So no, he is not made of Mana.

 

[noninho]

Nah, It needs to hit 7 votes first.

Nope
It's stated just if no conclusion is reached

 

[Lynieryz]

This is an extremely common phrase. It's also directly preceeded by "Barriers of fighting aura have no place in our fight".

This doesn't suggest that it'll like, yoink away Reid's sword/Chopsticks and prevent

The barrier is in reference to the barrier that the enemy[Liu Zongwu] was using right before Kenshiro used the Soryu Tenra.[Ch.223]

An attack that is cleaving space is not travelling through it as a medium, it's splitting it.

An attack that does not traverse through space would have Infinite momentum so it would never stop, would not move in directions, much less could it be seen, would act with Infinite speed/teleport and several other contradictory things for what you're stating.

Nobody in FotNS has ever been completely deconstructed by aura.

No, the entire body was not erased because only the arms came within range of the aura, Kenshiro just has to teleport extremely close to Raid and he will be completely erased.

Petelgeuse is very explicitly unable to construct a body from Mana. His soul can only possess suitable vessels. So no, he is not made of Mana.

Even the lesser spirits that are not capable of manifesting a body are claimed to be composed of mana and it has never been stated that they are composed of anything else.

 

[noninho]

If both sides have equivalent posts with constructive arguments, the thread shall be deemed inconclusive.Inconclusive matches, in which the opposing parties are incapable of defeating each other, should only added to profiles if they had a notable debate. A debate is considered notable, in this context, if it features a lengthy debate over an aspect not directly listed on profile.Examples of such are standard tactics (if not listed), ability mechanics and (unlisted) potency, interaction between abilities, weaknesses, verse equalization, potential methods to circumvent resistances and immortalities, potential learning or growth they could achieve in the timeframe of the fight, whether they could escape long enough for prep based abilities to come into play, etc.If the final verdict did not have a minimum difference of three votes a grace period for inconclusive of 72 hours will begin. The other rules for inconclusive will still apply; grace for inconclusive will only be added if both parties had a notable debate.

I made a mistake, it's 72h.

Nope
It's stated just if no conclusion is reached

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

The barrier is in reference to the barrier that the enemy[Liu Zongwu] was using right before Kenshiro used the Soryu Tenra.[Ch.223]

Reid can just cut the concept of that attack and be done with it. Pretty sure Saying an ability can nullify smth as abstract as cm type 2 without any prior feats is NLF

An attack that does not traverse through space would have Infinite momentum so it would never stop, would not move in directions, much less could it be seen, would act with Infinite speed/teleport and several other contradictory things for what you're stating.

Yeah. The destruction occurs in line with his sword swing simultaneously, and wdym contradictory things? None of that was contradictory

Even the lesser spirits that are not capable of manifesting a body are claimed to be composed of mana and it has never been stated that they are composed of anything else.

Go read the Spirit_Physiology blog...

Specific weakness for authority users then,

No, what are you talking about?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Nope

When the thread reaches a valid vote count, a grace period of 24 hours will be acknowledged, starting when the final vote that resulted in valid vote count was posted.

For a verdict, there must be at least seven votes in favor of one character/team, with a minimum difference of three votes. Some examples:
A final vote tally of 6-0 will be considered invalid.
A final vote tally of 7-0 will be considered valid.
A final vote tally of 7-4 will be considered valid.
A final vote tally of 7-5 will be considered invalid

So It saying in the versus thread rules page that we need atleast 7 votes.

And If you talking about this rule:

If both sides have equivalent posts with constructive arguments, the thread shall be deemed inconclusive.

1- Nothing Is saying we don't need 7 votes anymore
2- This is not exactly happening in this thread either, we still discussing how Reid can counter Kenshiro fate hax.

 

[noninho]

Then I vote incon FRA
Now we totalize 7 votes lol

 

[noninho]

2- This is not exactly happening in this thread either, we still discussing how Reid can counter Kenshiro fate hax.

Which is exactly why the grace period exists for

 

[Zabazab]

The barrier is in reference to the barrier that the enemy[Liu Zongwu] was using right before Kenshiro used the Soryu Tenra.[Ch.223]

Then it still has no proof that it'd disarm him or null CM2.

An attack that does not traverse through space would have Infinite momentum so it would never stop, would not move in directions, much less could it be seen, would act with Infinite speed/teleport and several other contradictory things for what you're stating.

Who cares how irl physics would work in that situation? You can't actually rip apart space with a sword.

Even the lesser spirits that are not capable of manifesting a body are claimed to be composed of mana and it has never been stated that they are composed of anything else.

Lesser Spirits do have a body composed of Mana. Those glowing lights are their manifested bodies. When they vanish, they're deconstructing their body and returning to being an incorporeal soul.

Souls in Re:Zero aren't made of Mana, for humans or Spirits. Only their manifested bodies are made of Mana.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

The sword can cut concepts but is the sword itself a concept? And does it counts a defence? (in my opinion it would)

Because if Reid’s sword itself is not conceptual then that thing is getting thrown out the window.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Then I vote incon FRA
Now we totalize 7 votes lol

Vote counted.

 

[Zabazab]

The sword can cut concepts but is the sword itself a concept? And does it counts a defence? (in my opinion it would)

Because if Reid’s sword itself is not conceptual then that thing is getting thrown out the window.

Does the ability yoink your equipment though? And then, would it yoink his chopsticks?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

The sword can cut concepts but is the sword itself a concept? And does it counts a defence? (in my opinion it would)

Because if Reid’s sword itself is not conceptual then that thing is getting thrown out the window.

The DSR is the greatest sword in ReZero and can even block Regulus's attacks, it is also currently one of the only known swords that can handle Reinhard's sword swjngs at "full" power. Anything else gets deconstructed
It has invulnerability, deconstruction resistance, EE resistance and Space-time manipulation resistance

 

[Fezzih_007]

The DSR is the greatest sword in ReZero and can even block Regulus's attacks, it is also currently one of the only known swords that can handle Reinhard's sword swjngs at "full" power. Anything else gets deconstructed
It has invulnerability, deconstruction resistance, EE resistance and Space-time manipulation resistance

That don't answer his question? And the sword don't have descontruction resistance, Nor does have invunerabilty.
Yet atleast

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

That don't answer his question? And the sword don't have descontruction resistance, Nor does have invunerabilty.
Yet atleast

Pretty sure i saw invulnerability on a page but alr
It does have Deconstruction resistance due to arc 1 and that swords unfortunate fate

 

[Fezzih_007]

Pretty sure i saw invulnerability on a page but alr
It does have Deconstruction resistance due to arc 1 and that swords unfortunate fate

That not really desconstruction, as much It is the sword getting destroyed because Reinhard destroy It with sheer AP or his space cutting.

Note: Natural side effects from powers, such as Energy Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Vibration Manipulation, and other abilities that can produce enough energy output to destroy or dismantle objects, do not mean that characters automatically qualify for this ability, unless the abilities in question specifically and directly focus on deconstruction in itself, rather than as a consequence.

Also not accepted on the profile

 

[Stillwinston]

The length of this match is larger than that of my waistline smh lol

 

[noninho]

The length of this match is larger than that of my waistline smh lol

That's why I brought up incon lmao
In 71,99h

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

The length of this match is larger than that of my waistline smh lol

That’s why I went for incon and moved on because both have insane wincons

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Honestly? Its gotten so long that even i am tempted to say incon
If more people vote for incon then count me in as well

 

[Stillwinston]

One day imma have Ken's abs stg, aight just change my vote down for incon. Either Ken just renders Reid deader than my love life or Reid makes him into sashimi

 

[noninho]

We now have 7 votes, so if everything stays as it is right now for 3 days, we can add as incon

Or if every voter rn moves to incon, then it's in 24h

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

One day imma have Ken's abs stg, aight just change my vote down for incon. Either Ken just renders Reid deader than my love life or Reid makes him into sashimi

Vote counted