Reid VS Kenshiro (Re:Zero VS Fist of the North Star) (7-7-2)

[SatellaTheWoE]

reid is not cutting NEP

It depends on WHAT kind of NEP he has
Kenshiro has physical, mental, and soul based NEP
He can still be affected by Conceptual NPI which reid does have

 

[MeidoIzayoi]

voting for Reid
more likely to win with his range advantage

reid is not cutting NEP

Kenshiro is spiritual and mental nonexistence, but not conceptual nonexistence
CM hax would affect him

 

[Robo432343]

It depends on WHAT kind of NEP he has
Kenshiro has physical, mental, and soul based NEP
He can still be affected by Conceptual NPI which reid does have

saying Reid is cutting NEP even tho his verse has never dealt with that kind of stuff before is just a big fat NLF
and even if it can cut NEP how will he know he has to destroy the concept of nothingness to defeat Kenshiro? by the time he realizes that, the 4km gap would be covered
also why cant Reid's attack just be dodged with the massive speed amps??

 

[LazerDim8000]

Concept users are bound to what they can affect, it’s clearly explained on the concept page so stop the nlf. Reid is absolutely not cutting a NEP being without proof and Kenshiro has enhanced instinctive action and precog, range isn't an issue. MT+a variety of hax will make this a stomp.

 

[Zabazab]

Reid is able to cut things that don't materially exist.

 

[MeidoIzayoi]

The term Metaphysical Aspects refers to aspects of existence which are not part of the physical world

god bless DT for the new metaphysical page
Concept hax being a metaphysical hax would mean Reid would conceptually cut Kenshiro who is only Material, Spiritual, and Mental Nonexistence

 

[Robo432343]

Reid is able to cut things that don't materially exist.

that is not the same as being able to cut down mental and spiritual nonexistence
also that scan is extremely vague, we don't even know what he's cutting that doesn't exist
Even if Reid can cut the NEP down, his attacks are just going to be dodged and he is just getting blitzed

• Statistics Amplification (By raising her ki, Frieda was able to increase her power and speed and close the gap between her and Rofu, who she previously could not even get close. Raoh can envelope his body in Ki to become impervious to damage)
• Statistics Amplification (These pressure points can seemingly double speed and power, increase power by ten times and give "inhuman strength" at the cost of your lifespan)

- Statistics Amplification (Hokuto users normally use 30% of their power, Tenryu Kokyu Oh gives them access to the remaining 70%, this was also shown to boost speed; Kiko Yabu massively increases the user's aura, allows him to no-sell attacks from 2 characters who could each heavily damage the user's 100% mode, as well as overpower a combined attack from them and shatter objects that the user couldn't dent while using 30%; Tekei Koho also seemingly boosts the user's power to an unknown amount). They can do this with 30% of their power and we are using 100% Kenshiro

• Accelerated Development (Battle. Physical Statistics and Abilities; Kenshiro was able to adapt to Souther's speed. At first Ken could barely see him, but seconds after he was able to completely blitz Souther. Ken is also said to become stronger according to his opponent's level of power. And he did manage to fight Raoh to a standstill and would have killed him had he not been stopped, despite Toki stating only minutes prior that Ken didn't even have a 1% chance of defeating Raoh. He's stated to have "infinite potential" in terms of technique and combat prowess multiple times throughout the series)
• Rage Power (Even average goons have their speed and power doubled when enraged)

Reid is getting blitzed and AP stomped

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

that is not the same as being able to cut down mental and spiritual nonexistence
also that scan is extremely vague, we don't even know what he's cutting that doesn't exist
Even if Reid can cut the NEP down, his attacks are just going to be dodged and he is just getting blitzed

• Statistics Amplification (By raising her ki, Frieda was able to increase her power and speed and close the gap between her and Rofu, who she previously could not even get close. Raoh can envelope his body in Ki to become impervious to damage)

This is just a general amp. This is what the value already scales to and also what has been equalized

• Statistics Amplification (These pressure points can seemingly double speed and power, increase power by ten times and give "inhuman strength" at the cost of your lifespan)

This one isnt something he will start off with
even if he does, by the time he pressure points himself he will already have been slashed down

- Statistics Amplification (Hokuto users normally use 30% of their power, Tenryu Kokyu Oh gives them access to the remaining 70%, this was also shown to boost speed; Kiko Yabu massively increases the user's aura, allows him to no-sell attacks from 2 characters who could each heavily damage the user's 100% mode, as well as overpower a combined attack from them and shatter objects that the user couldn't dent while using 30%; Tekei Koho also seemingly boosts the user's power to an unknown amount). They can do this with 30% of their power and we are using 100% Kenshiro

Equalized

• Accelerated Development (Battle. Physical Statistics and Abilities; Kenshiro was able to adapt to Souther's speed. At first Ken could barely see him, but seconds after he was able to completely blitz Souther. Ken is also said to become stronger according to his opponent's level of power. And he did manage to fight Raoh to a standstill and would have killed him had he not been stopped, despite Toki stating only minutes prior that Ken didn't even have a 1% chance of defeating Raoh. He's stated to have "infinite potential" in terms of technique and combat prowess multiple times throughout the series)

Keyword "minutes"
Reid also gets a 100x perception boost + he can block perception blitzing attacks via IR + he has his own awakened power which blitzstomp people comparablr to him if he is in danger

• Rage Power (Even average goons have their speed and power doubled when enraged)

Prove that Ken is enraged

Reid is getting blitzed and AP stomped

Non

 

[LazerDim8000]

god bless DT for the new metaphysical page
Concept hax being a metaphysical hax would mean Reid would conceptually cut Kenshiro who is only Material, Spiritual, and Mental Nonexistence

That doesn’t mean anything without proof lmao. He is not cutting cutting NEP without proof and the moment Kenshiro uses his NEP which is instinctive btw Reid literally won’t be able to perceive or see him. And again none of Reid’s attacks will even reach or do anything to kenshiro.

 

[Zabazab]

also that scan is extremely vague, we don't even know what he's cutting that doesn't exist

Yes we do, it's Cor Leonis, the Authority of Greed that allows Subaru to transfer the burdens of his allies to himself (pain/stamina transferal). It is stated to be a connection which does not exist materially.

 

[LazerDim8000]

This is just a general amp. This is what the value already scales to and also what has been equalized

This one isnt something he will start off with
even if he does, by the time he pressure points himself he will already have been slashed down

Equalized

Keyword "minutes"
Reid also gets a 100x perception boost + he can block perception blitzing attacks via IR + he has his own awakened power which blitzstomp people comparablr to him if he is in danger

Prove that Ken is enraged

Non

What he starts with doesn’t matter, he’s an analytical genius with infinite fighting styles for each situation. And the moment kenshiro touches Reid he’s literally gonna turn to paste.

 

[LazerDim8000]

Yes we do, it's Cor Leonis, the Authority of Greed that allows Subaru to transfer the burdens of his allies to himself (pain/stamina transferal). It is stated to be a connection which does not exist materially.

That’s just intangibility cuh

 

[MeidoIzayoi]

That doesn’t mean anything without proof lmao. He is not cutting cutting NEP without proof

proof that concept is a metaphysical aspect? Reid is not cutting physically, but conceptually

 

[MeidoIzayoi]

That’s just intangibility cuh

ig Nature type 1 NEP is just intangibility huh?

 

[Zabazab]

What he starts with doesn’t matter, he’s an analytical genius with infinite fighting styles for each situation. And the moment kenshiro touches Reid he’s literally gonna turn to paste.

The moment Kenshiro touches Reid? With his 4km-long fingers?

 

[LazerDim8000]

ig Nature type 1 NEP is just intangibility huh?

What lol. NEP and intangibility is completely different. Can’t even be compared.

 

[LazerDim8000]

proof that concept is a metaphysical aspect? Reid is not cutting physically, but conceptually

He is definitely not cutting something that doesn’t exists without proof he can cut, see and interact with NEP beings.

 

[LazerDim8000]

The moment Kenshiro touches Reid? With his 4km-long fingers?

The 4km gap will be closed by both parties after a short period of time.

 

[Zabazab]

What lol. NEP and intangibility is completely different. Can’t even be compared.

Type 1 is basically just incorporeality, as stated on the NEP Page. Having incorporeality + an aspect of NEP makes it qualify as Type 1 NEP.

 

[LazerDim8000]

Type 1 is basically just incorporeality, as stated on the NEP Page. Having incorporeality + an aspect of NEP makes it qualify as Type 1 NEP.

Still different from intangibility.

 

[Zabazab]

Still different from intangibility.

Cor Leonis has no material form, no soul, and no mind, hmmm

 

[LazerDim8000]

Cor Leonis has no material form, no soul, and no mind, hmmm

So ? Thousands of characters have that and aren’t NEP. That’s just incorporeality or intangibility at best. Being Nothingness is wayyy different than that.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

So ? Thousands of characters have that and aren’t NEP. That’s just incorporeality or intangibility at best. Being Nothingness is wayyy different than that.

Let me repeat what you just said

not having a body, mind or soul is not equal to not having a mind, body or soul

Either way, he doesnt have conceprual NEP

 

[LazerDim8000]

Let me repeat what you just said

Either way, he doesnt have conceprual NEP

Even if he can cut concepts it doesn’t even matter if he can’t perceive nothingness.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Even if he can cut concepts it doesn’t even matter if he can’t perceive nothingness.

Ken doesnt start as Nothingness that only happens when he is in a life or death situation
Btw, Reid actually can in fact hit opponents he cant percieve via his intuition which upscales from Elsa, who could attack her opponents vitals when all of her senses had been cut off and her mind was floating in a void, and cecilus, who's intuition is bullfuckery

 

[LazerDim8000]

Ken doesnt start as Nothingness that only happens when he is in a life or death situation
Btw, Reid actually can in fact hit opponents he cant percieve via his intuition which upscales from Elsa, who could attack her opponents vitals when all of her senses had been cut off and her mind was floating in a void, and cecilus, who's intuition is bullfuckery

There isn't a "he doesn't start with __" clause for Kenshiro. Muso Tensei and all his other techniques are instinctive, as explained on the martial arts page. Thus, the 4km gap becomes practically useless if Kenshiro is able to dodge all the attacks, forcing Reid to engage in close combat which wouldn't end well for him.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

There isn't a "he doesn't start with __" clause for Kenshiro. Muso Tensei and all his other techniques are instinctive, as explained on the martial arts page. Thus, the 4km gap becomes practically useless if Kenshiro is able to dodge all the attacks, forcing Reid to engage in close combat which wouldn't end well for him.

He cant dodge Reids attacks because not only are they comparable, but Reid can hit Reinhard and i really doubt ken is as good at dodging

 

[Robo432343]

Ken doesnt start as Nothingness that only happens when he is in a life or death situation

it literally says in the martial arts page that it activates automatically
(Musō Tensei is made of the nothingness which predates life, and allows the user to achieve a state of said nothingness. It’s also stated to be able to erase the user’s body from existence. MT activates automatically to protect the user from danger, even when the user is completely unconscious and also creates clones for further distractions. Raoh states that it renders every hokuto Shinken ability completely useless

#readtheprofiles

 

[Robo432343]

He cant dodge Reids attacks because not only are they comparable, but Reid can hit Reinhard and i really doubt ken is as good at dodging

an average goon in the verse can dodge Reids attacks

 

[LazerDim8000]

He cant dodge Reids attacks because not only are they comparable, but Reid can hit Reinhard and i really doubt ken is as good at dodging

Ken is the best at dodging in his verse. And again, PRECOGNITION.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Ken is the best at dodging in his verse. And again, PRECOGNITION.

Even an untrained Emilia has Anal precog
I would suggest to read the profiles but then again Reids is currently outdated

 

[Robo432343]

Even an untrained Emilia has Anal precog
I would suggest to read the profiles but then again Reids is currently outdated

the precog in Kenshiro's verse is far superior to Subaru's verse

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

the precog in Kenshiro's verse is far superior to Subaru's verse

Give me the best feat

I will show you one that's better

 

[LazerDim8000]

Even an untrained Emilia has Anal precog
I would suggest to read the profiles but then again Reids is currently outdated

they are also able to have entire fights play out in their head, where they accurately read 2 steps ahead of their opponent even while the latter is doing the same)

From the martial arts page which I suggest you go through
So yeah he’s always gonna be ahead.

 

[Lynieryz]

Kenshiro FRA

 

[Robo432343]

ong bro Kenshiro FRA

 

[Zabazab]

Kenshiro after accurately predicting every way Reid will swing his sword one time and immediately blow up everything in a 9000km radius:

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

they are also able to have entire fights play out in their head, where they accurately read 2 steps ahead of their opponent even while the latter is doing the same)

From the martial arts page which I suggest you go through
So yeah he’s always gonna be ahead.

Cecilus casually slowing down his perception speed, training in his mind for years, chilling out and relaxing, stealing his àdult selfs dream sword, predicting everything his opponent can do instinctively, drinking his favorite soda, trying out new kimonos, growing up and having a family while in the middle of a battle to the death

 

[Robo432343]

Cecilus casually slowing down his perception speed, training in his mind for years, chilling out and relaxing, stealing his àdult selfs dream sword, predicting everything his opponent can do instinctively, drinking his favorite soda, trying out new kimonos, growing up and having a family while in the middle of a battle to the death

u said u were gonna show us a precog feat thats better but Ceclilus doesn't even have precog on his profile
Also Subaru's "return by death" ability is better than this

 

[Stillwinston]

Also how serious is Reid in fights? Kenshiro generally doesn't dick around in a fight unless its a fodder goon who he wants to make suffer