Regarding the Sub-Rel Minato calc

[Shadowbokunohero]

I agree with that @Ant

 

[Rocker1189]

Yeah that is why it is reaction speed not move speed.

 

[Antvasima]

@Kepekley23 & UMR

Would you be willing to restart the discussion in the staff forum and invite the rest of the calc group to participate?

 

[Golden_Void]

I can set up a thread and someone can invite the members

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you. Don't forget to lock this one afterwards.

 

[Antvasima]

I am not able to help you out with contacting the calc group members though. I am going to bed now.

 

[LordWhis]

@rocker: It still took some time for the neural impulse to travel through Minato's nervous system and some time for Minato to think about what to do.

 

[Kepekley23]

@Ant

I agree with him reacting in the preceding image. That results in Sub-Relativistic, which wouldn't be an outlier.

 

[BlackeJan]

Wait b4 u close this thread...what about the kunai the Minato threw in order to dodge A's fist? (he had it in his hand and he threw it to dodge)

 

[Antvasima]

@Kepekley23

Okay. I am not the best person to make a judgement call about this though. It is better if only the calc group and informed staff members talk about this in another thread.

 

[Ssr4vegito]

Minato having sub relativistic reaction shouldn't be an outlier as he has another feat but how will it affect scaling?

 

[Rocker1189]

@rocker: It still took some time for the neural impulse to travel through Minato's nervous system and some time for Minato to think about what to do.

You know that that means that the Raikage is ridiculouly fast to keep up with that at that distance. Not to mention the flying raijin is activated by thought. By someone said to be waaaaay faster than other superhumans.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

There's still the glaring issue that the databook doesn't say A is lightning speed, but has another thread been made for this?

 

[Antvasima]

Not yet, I think.

 

[Mindovin]

Databook doesn't say Madara, Sasuke, Naruto and Kaguya Sub-rel or other characters ms+ either that means their speed change to unknown, downgrade or something like that.

 

[AstralKing7]

isnt there another sub rel feat instead of this one anyway

 

[Dark649]

isnt there another sub rel feat instead of this one anyway

Yes, but it was performed by a character much stronger and faster than Minato.

 

[AstralKing7]

i know just wanted to make sure it still scales to the god tier and is still being accepted

 

[Antvasima]

So is anybody interested in starting a new thread with an initial summary of the conclusions so far?

 

[Golden_Void]

I don't think this requires calc group involvement as of yet. We can't use the original calc, and the current conversation sounds like it is more suited for a content revision thread, with the legitimacy of lightning speed, and determining which speeds to use from which feats, etc.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I personally prefer to keep discussions about calculations on track, without turning them into a chaotic mess.

 

[LordWhis]

Hadn't this already been disposed of !

Still say he started reacting earlier.

 

[Golden_Void]

Well someone edited Minato's page with Kep's calc (inaccurate for reasons stated), but it's possible we can get something from the lunar throw, though we need to address if Raikage is lightning speed in the first place.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

from the databook or generally?

 

[Dark649]

Kep added his calc in the profile, since only him [and other presented their opinion] was not enough i removed it.

 

[Rocker1189]

Lunar throw? Also Raikage is lightning speed scaling off of Sasuke for fighting Itachi.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Lunar throw? Also Raikage is lightning speed scaling off of Sasuke for fighting Itachi.

We can't use his scaling from Sasuke. That would be calc stacking.

Also, 'Raikage is lightning speed because MHS+ Sasuke' is weird.

 

[Golden_Void]

Lunar throw? Also Raikage is lightning speed scaling off of Sasuke for fighting Itachi.

Phone autocorrected kunai oops. And since when was Sasuke lightning speed from fighting Itachi? ƒñö

 

[Rocker1189]

Itachi reacting to Kirin.

@Gemmy it is not calc stacking since we know that Itachi reacted to lightning Sasuke did not lose to him in speed (literally had a speed shuriken throwing session) and got completely outsped by the Raikage.

Was not fast enough to activate Amaterasu that literally appears on sight.

Also Sasuke outsped Itachi when he was using his Amatersu .

 

[Rocker1189]

Also we know the timeframe for Kirin and used the height of Cumulus clouds to get its speed so nothing is based off of wonky scaling.

 

[Golden_Void]

So Itachi reacting to Kirin and Raikage blitzing a faster Sasuke

 

[Rocker1189]

So Itachi reacting to Kirin and Raikage blitzing a faster Sasuke

Yes.

 

[Golden_Void]

Use the speed from this then since he threw a kunai at this moment.

 

[Rocker1189]

Well we calced Kirin to be mach 2915.

1000m (from cumulus clouds) / (1/1000) = 1,000,000 = mach 2915

Average male head height = 0.218m

0.218/73 = 2.98 x10^-3 m

(2.98x10^-3 ) * 23 =0.069m

0.069/1000000 = 6.89 * 10^-8 seconds.

 

[SomebodyData]

Looks like calc stacking

 

[Rocker1189]

It is not calc stacking because as I answered above.

We used cumulus clouds for the height of Kirin and we used a given timeframe from the anime. No other calcs come from this even though logically the Raikage should be much faster than that.

Either way I got 4.86 percent of the speed of light which is still sub-relavistic.

Or mach 42428.67

 

[LordWhis]

Yes but you are still stacking that calc onto this one.

 

[Rocker1189]

Yes but you are still stacking that calc onto this one.

That is not how calc stacking works.... it is not simply using one calc to prove another it is using a calc with no given info from the sourse material itself to prove another.

 

[Bepo4151]

Its still stacking m8. Dodo calced this absolutely the same and was rejected because it is stacking

 

[LordWhis]

@rocker:

"Calc stacking refers to the practice of using results from one calculation in order to calculate other feats."