Regarding the Sub-Rel Minato calc

[LordGinSama]

Using mach 2915+ for lightning based off a previous calc is indeed calc stacking. You'd be better off using the normal speed of lightning.

 

[Rocker1189]

Which is what I then did. and gave me the second answer.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Which is what I then did. and gave me the second answer.

Repost the calcs. Label the one that's calc_stacked then label the one using normal speed of lighting. Give the reasoning I gave. I suspect people are getting confused because the lack of proper labeling.

Edit, I'd suggest making a blog about it first then linking it.

 

[Rocker1189]

Well we calced Kirin to be mach 2915.
1000m (from cumulus clouds) / (1/1000) = 1,000,000 = mach 2915

Average male head height = 0.218m

0.218/73 = 2.98 x10^-3 m

(2.98x10^-3 ) * 23 =0.069m

0.069/1000000 = 6.89 * 10^-8 seconds.

4.86 percent of the speed of light which is sub-relavistic.

Or mach 42428.67

Calc stacked

 

[Rocker1189]

Alternative I could use the speed of lightning directly.
Average male head height = 0.218m

0.218/73 = 2.98 x10^-3 m

(2.98x10^-3 ) * 23 =0.069m

0.069/440,000 = 1.568 x 10^-7 seconds.

2.13 percent the speed of light.

mach 18591.29 which is still sub-relavistic.

Not calc stacked

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Problem is, the databook didn't say A is lightning speed.

 

[Rocker1189]

A has not been directly said to be lightning speed but it has been directly implied several times.

 

[Mindovin]

Databook also say they are MHS+ or sub-rel or Naruto's ap Small Planet Level etc. that means we downgrade every character to unknown? It's all about feats, calcs and power-scaling.

 

[LordWhis]

@mindovin: you are misunderstanding the point here.

 

[Mindovin]

No, i understand it clearly. Some people says there is no mention in databook about lightning speed and for this reaso some of this people says like A is not lightning speed if we go this route for this that means nearly every feat, calc and power-scaling need to be removed or changed to unknown because there is no mention in the databook. Also this peoples accept databook statements outlier, hyperbole, contradiction or some other things.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

...what...

 

[Rocker1189]

Honestly we should just get rid of all calcs in this site lol. Nothing we put here (or at least very few) are directly said by the creators.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

lol... most flawed argument ever..i guess most of Dragonball is like Hypersonic+ at best and Naruto is barely supersonic+

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Lol.

 

[Rocker1189]

That is what people are implying lol. Since the lightspeed statement I am 100% sure there has no other thing that puts dragonball at MFTL+++ atm. In fact if the recent episodes have been anything to go by they should be a few thousands times FTL at most.

 

[Frantzy12]

If Minato is Sub-Rel wouldn't this upgrade the god-tier to like Relativistic or Light-speed via scaling or something?

 

[Rocker1189]

Not at all, a completely baseless thing to say. It would mean the God-tier simply move up the sub-relavistic tier.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

yeah super has one MFTL+ travel speed, which was calced... lol

if we just accept authors words we would have really bad and inaccurate profiles, I mean it doesn't take a lot of thought to know you need to be faster than supersonic+ to travel a planet in 5 seconds..which is what Goku does..in Short, Authors do not know how strong their characters are

 

[Frantzy12]

I see Toneri has a relativistic attack, why don't Kaguya or any other superior Otsutsuki scale to it?

 

[LordGinSama]

That is what people are implying lol. Since the lightspeed statement I am 100% sure there has no other thing that puts dragonball at MFTL+++ atm. In fact if the recent episodes have been anything to go by they should be a few thousands times FTL at most.

Whis actually has a MTFL feat and it has been calculated. And don't bring other series into this.

 

[Rocker1189]

@Shadow It is funny you say travel speed not combat speed which was even implied inthe way it was done to be unusable in combat. But whatever I really dont care about that.

Well, that is exactly what I am saying, I never once said we should actually do that. My issue is it being brought up now for a character getting an upgrade in Naruto.

 

[Rocker1189]

Whis actually has a MTFL feat and it has been calculated. And don't bring other series into this.

Sorry but I would bring other series into things when trying to show bias in between series I do not allow for individual levels of scrutiny.

 

[Antvasima]

Nothing is going to be solved in this manner.

It is best if Kepekley23 or UMR start a new staff forum discussion about this, and invite all of the calc group members, as well as DontTalkDT and Kaltias.

 

[LordGinSama]

> Implying this wiki has a bias against Naruto


> Said wiki has Naruto characters rated higher than the majority of any other forums


> Naruto constantly gets upgrades


Seriously, can you stop being so damn whiny? You literally act like this in every Naruto thread where things don't go your way.

 

[Rocker1189]

Yeah lol, I already know this is not going through, the only person who might be fine with it is Kep. But no one else is willing to give this a chance so this thread might as well be closed. The main defenders of it are non staff members.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

That is what people are implying lol. Since the lightspeed statement I am 100% sure there has no other thing that puts dragonball at MFTL+++ atm. In fact if the recent episodes have been anything to go by they should be a few thousands times FTL at most.

Whis actually has a MTFL feat and it has been calculated. And don't bring other series into this.

Thats the whole point we are making, we are not discrediting other verses speed but stating that calcs and feats are far more important than Author's statments, as someone above wanted to put everyone in Naruto at Unknown because the databook or the manga doesnt say that the characters are sub rel or MHS+

 

[Gemmysaur]

This is going on for more than it should.

Can someone provide evidence that Ay can move at lightning speed? Feats, statements, guidebook quotes, anything at all. (Let's not go to the 'Itachi reacting to Kirin' arguments here)

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

we were using Dragonball as an example why this is a flawed way of thinking

 

[Rocker1189]

> Implying this wiki has a bias against Naruto

> Said wiki has Naruto characters rated higher than the majority of any other forums


> Naruto constantly gets upgrades


Seriously, can you stop being so damn whiny? You literally act like this in every Naruto thread where things don't go your way.

Lol majority of other forums? What other forums exactly actually have calcs for things. There is no way for me to actually debate other forums since they are not calcing anything.

Constantly gets upgrades when we actually get a calc that has literally zero way to be disproved and even then a lot of people are against them.

Tells me to stop being whiny while getting in every thread that even implies there might be a upgrade for any character and tries to find some way for it not to be allowed. I have been "whiny" about 2 things. Light speed light fang and this.

And apparently observations is being whiny now lmao. Yeah, I am not going to go into that.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

This is going on for more than it should.
Can someone provide evidence that Ay can move at lightning speed? Feats, statements, guidebook quotes, anything at all. (Let's not go to the 'Itachi reacting to Kirin' arguments here)

In Conclusion No, best we have is Ay moving like a thudnebolt, done. thats it

even the manga states that Lightning release isnt as fast as real lightning, so using that as argument is out.

 

[Rocker1189]

we were using Dragonball as an example why this is a flawed way of thinking

Why what exactly is a flawed thinking dragon ball literally proves my point. Goku gets an extremely shaky universe busting reasoning, and everyone and their mothers in the tournament of power scales off of universe busting.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

I see Toneri has a relativistic attack, why don't Kaguya or any other superior Otsutsuki scale to it?

I...actually don't know. In the blog, the creator said Toneri flung some things at Naruto at such speeds. It might not necessarily be Relativistic though.

 

[Antvasima]

Rocker, stop making accusations and being confrontational.

We have spent a ridiculous amount of time on attempting to improve on the reliability of the Naruto statistics. We are not intentionally biased just because everybody do not automatically agree with you.

That said, I am personally leaning towards agreeiing with Kepekley23, but it is not my call. It is up to the calc group members to evaluate.

Anyway, since this thread is going in circles, I will close it now, and start a new one in the staff forum.