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Regarding Social Influencing and supernatural effects...?

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Well, this is an issue that came up. See, in Final Fantasy Tactics there's a Job Class called Orator that is described to use words and discourse as their weapons instead of swords or proper combat. Their particular ability, Speechcraft, allows to achive many types of of effects during battle. Lore wise these would be convincing enemies to switch sides, encouraging or intimidating people with a powerful rethoric, provoke them with sharp insults, among others. These abilities however, have to translate into the gameplay and the way it does is by inflicting status ailments or altering stats, which normally would translate into stuff like Morality Manipulation, Madness Manipulation or Empathic Manipulation.

And then there's the can of worms that are the openly supernatural effects, such as literally boring enemies into sleep with dull tales or sentencing them to death by convincing them that their demise is at hand (though personally I am 90% convinced the effect was talking them into suicide but was changed for being too dark).

My question is: if Speechcraft achieves supernatural effects does it still qualify as Social Influencing? What about Morality Manipulation, given its page openly says it must be achieved via supernatural means?
 
You know, it actually may be the case. Was looking at Yakko Warner and Spongebob's profiles and their Social Influencing has many effects that would fall into outright Empathic Manipulation, Mind Manipulation and Madness Manipulation (which Yakko explicitly has alongside Social Influencing).
There was also Weather Report that I brought up before (though, not on this thread).
 
You know, it actually may be the case. Was looking at Yakko Warner and Spongebob's profiles and their Social Influencing has many effects that would fall into outright Empathic Manipulation, Mind Manipulation and Madness Manipulation (which Yakko explicitly has alongside Social Influencing).
Thinking better, it qualifies due to him achieving these abilities through his Social Influencing
 
That's similar to the situation that this thread was originally made to answer (Orators in Final Fantasy Tactics cause supernatural effects, but it's through their words/convincing people, or something like that).
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Even though some of the Orators showings of Social Influence are "a bit" too much for what conventionally qualifies as SI, they still should qualifies due to him being capable of using their words as a way to influence people
 
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Even though some of the Orators showings of Social Influence are "a bit" too much for what conventionally qualifies as SI, they still should qualifies due to him being capable of using their words as a way to influence people
Alright, thanks, dude. To be fair, the most outlandish thing is killing enemies with Condemn, but the rest goes simply with the more extreme users of the ability.
 
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