- 6,014
- 2,122
Ok, I suppose this is legit (there is a bunch of feat and the plot is in the direction of this level)
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Regarding our Standards for Multipliers
- Thread starter Dragonmasterxyz
- Start date
- 33,408
- 8,430
- Thread starter
- #122
I would say that you need a little more than that for something so large a 10,000x...The Causality said:
- 6,014
- 2,122
Yeah i know but there is many other feat and support but it's isn't the thread for talk about it (i mean I would do a blog or a CRT about it)
- 10,946
- 12,454
So here a bit of my opinions / my input, agreeing with lots of things already mentioned (I definitely get the "late to the party"-award <.<):
- Multipliers can only be accepted if they are essentially directly stated, not reasoned from something else. That includes things like verses having powerlevels or stats, where the stats doubling should not be associated with the power doubling, unless it is directly stated to do that.
- As such calc stacking isn't an issue, as you may not use calculations to find multipliers to begin with.
- In my opinion a multiplier should be specific on what stat it multiplies. Otherwise it might as well just refer to combat strength, which could even be increased by just combat prowess.
- Game multipliers should be treated as game mechanics, unless there is strong evidence against it.
- The higher the multiplier the higher the demand of evidence. Generally they all must come from reliable statements, meaning things like "I am twice as strong now" are ruled out by default, unless there are further explanations to it. In that context we could decide to either just keep such an open formulation or if we wish to set concrete borders after which a multiplier will have to fulfil specified criteria to be affected. That anything contradicted is not accepted goes without saying. I guess gathering lots of precedent cases helps here.
- If multipliers are stacked, it should be specified whether they apply to base strength or already multiplied strength. Furthermore they fall into higher evidence categories (e.g. if one wishes to stack two x10 multipliers one will needs x100 evidence)
- Attack related Mulipliers like "reflects with 2 times the strength of the original attack" or "cuts the power of the attack in half" are generally bound to feats on what the strongest thing they can affect are. Reason is that the energy needed to do that to a Island level technique is much higher than for a Planet level technique. Exception is if it has an explained hax mechanism.
- It should be considered that multipliers are not necessarily constant. A character being 2x faster at one time does not mean that this holds at any other time (Especially considering the abundance of "limit breaking" tropes).
Wokistan
Bioluminescent African American Working At The CIA
VS Battles
Administrator
Calculation Group
- 16,925
- 7,374
I'm not so sure about discounting any sort of game multiplier if it makes sense. Stuff like double damage, 1.5x damage, etc is pretty common, and game multipliers generally aren't that insane. As of now, we accept Senran Kagura's frantic mode, and DOOM's quad damage.
- 33,408
- 8,430
- Thread starter
- #126
DT seems to makes sense. I feel like merging this as the requirement part and my post for the accepted examples should work well for a nice and detailed page.
- 33,408
- 8,430
- Thread starter
- #127
I think he may mean more or less if someone's ATK stat starts at 999 and then becomes like 9999 with no real in verse context or such....I think.Wokistan said:
Wokistan
Bioluminescent African American Working At The CIA
VS Battles
Administrator
Calculation Group
- 16,925
- 7,374
Yeah, I would agree with not scaling stats like that, or I general dividing to find unspoken multipliers. If stuff like what we've already allowed is fine, Don'tTalk's write up looks good to me.
- 6,014
- 2,122
Wish me good luck to prove the 10.000x lolDontTalkDT said:
- 10,946
- 12,454
No idea about either of these, but I would say some minimal evidence should be required.Wokistan said:
Consider 2 things:
1. As things are 99.9% of these will not reflect in feats at all. In other words in game explosions don't get bigger from carrying x2 power items.
2. Multipliers in games are often not used to reflect actually multiplying something, but just as another form of causing more damage. E.g. every second game with guns has some multiplier on headshots and likewise every second RPG has a multiplier on critical hits. I don't think many are implying that that is how things actually work in their verses.
Wokistan
Bioluminescent African American Working At The CIA
VS Battles
Administrator
Calculation Group
- 16,925
- 7,374
Idk about SK, but DOOM has a power up that quadruples damage with all weapons straight up called quad damage. It's entry in the lore thing straight up says that it makes users and their weapons four times as strong, and details what happened when it was tested on some dude.
- 21,390
- 2,978
Well if the lore confirms the in game multipliers then it should count.
- 33,408
- 8,430
- Thread starter
- #133
So I assume the regulations posted by DT and the examples posted by me are sufficient? (Although for the first two we are lacking examples)
- 6,108
- 963
I think DT's proposition is good
- 33,408
- 8,430
- Thread starter
- #137
For a page, I feel as though DT suggestion can be the main part of the text for it (i.e copy and pasting what was said here). My part would merely examples listed. I don't know if I'm the best to make an information page tho. (never actually did so before)
- 10,946
- 12,454
- 10,946
- 12,454
I would actually encourage to include more explanations that have this degree of detail, but for those linking to a different wiki page would be pretty much necessary for length and structure reasons.Antvasima said:
The reason I encourage that is that the other, shorter, examples we have are in my opinion harder to properly grasp for those that have no knowledge of the franchises these multipliers come from.
- 1,459
- 248
non canon in a book in which Toriyama says the peope writing know what they're talking aboutAKM sama said:
Fixed that for you
- 21,390
- 2,978
Is every multiplier that is accepted going to be put on the page?
- 168,537
- 77,323
So does anybody have some good suggestions for improvements to the Multipliers page?
- 784
- 323
non canon in a book in which Toriyama says the peope writing know what they're talking about
Fixed that for you
I think he actually suggested they know more than him about his own verse lol
And obligatory: there is no official canon in Dragon Ball
Fixed that for you
I think he actually suggested they know more than him about his own verse lol
And obligatory: there is no official canon in Dragon Ball
- 11,141
- 14,180
There is a main continuity and those multipliers were never stated in the main continuity.
I was just suggesting that we should mention that the note is only talking about the Daizenshuu multipliers, not the accepted ones, as it will create a lot of confusion.
I was just suggesting that we should mention that the note is only talking about the Daizenshuu multipliers, not the accepted ones, as it will create a lot of confusion.
- 10,946
- 12,454
Nah, it isn't supposed to be a list of all accepted multipliers or anything.DragonEmperor23 said:
We should just gather a decent amount of examples and then maybe cases that for some reason are important for reference purposes.
- 21,390
- 2,978
Alright, thank you.
- 168,537
- 77,323
@DontTalkDT
Do you wish to create a follow-up staff forum thread that I can highlight for additional input? This one has likely turned too long for our members to notice what we currently need help with.
Do you wish to create a follow-up staff forum thread that I can highlight for additional input? This one has likely turned too long for our members to notice what we currently need help with.
- 15,637
- 5,392
I feel as if some more examples would be nice, however I'm not aware of any verses that use multipliers.Antvasima said:
- 168,537
- 77,323
Well, The God of High School uses multipliers, and we accepted them.
- 168,537
- 77,323
The Dragon Ball Kaioken is also an accepted multiplier, and I think that Nanatsu no Taizai may have used multipliers as well.
- 33,408
- 8,430
- Thread starter
- #158
I mean, overall we can add more examples overtime. However, we also don't want to crowd the page with multipliers. I think we should have a limit of like at most 3 examples per category. However, there is really no need to rush it.
- 15,637
- 5,392
Yeah, no worries, I don't think it is something that we need to add immediately. It's just a suggestion for the future.
- 9,738
- 1,523
The DBZ series shows the Kaioken, Oozaru multipliers and Fourth Frieza states. The SS multipliers are never said in the series, we can also accept the regular fusion boost and possibly Frieza transformations, Cell and Buu absorption boosts, lastly there are the Potara Multipliers which could not be accepted since Kefla tier jump took that to another level.
