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Well that is basically proving my previous worry and point .YungManzi said:
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Regarding our Standards for Multipliers
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I would assume the calcs are what would be multiplied. Either way I am neutral overall. Although wouldn't calc stacking come into play?
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I think we had a different thread for calc stacking some day ago. But thats also something we should really take a new approach on, yeha.
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Another controversial multipliers are the transformations [Look and Frieza and Aizen for example as char. with many transformations] boost and the oneshot boost [I have seen cases of characters that oneshots a character after he transformed and said i get stronger by every minutes like with Ganos and Roshi].
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For the getting stronger every minute, unless we knew exactly how much stronger he got each minute I don't know how we would qualify that.
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I personally think that multipliers said by the character themselves in order to boast themselves shouldn't be accepted.
"Normal" multipliers (like rise of power level or statement from WoG or knowledgeable characters) should only be accepted if they have feats (scaled or not) that can at least come close to their supposed power level. I'm neutral about giving it if it doesn't contradict anything but it's also supported by nothing.
Multipliers that come from logical conclusions should be generally accepted. Let's assume a character divided himself in two parts, each with equal power. If one of these two characters has a 1 Petaton feat, we can reasonably assume that the original character is 2 Petatons. Obviously we need to be sure that the two halves have equal power, but as long as it's not inconsistent, it should be accepted.
"Normal" multipliers (like rise of power level or statement from WoG or knowledgeable characters) should only be accepted if they have feats (scaled or not) that can at least come close to their supposed power level. I'm neutral about giving it if it doesn't contradict anything but it's also supported by nothing.
Multipliers that come from logical conclusions should be generally accepted. Let's assume a character divided himself in two parts, each with equal power. If one of these two characters has a 1 Petaton feat, we can reasonably assume that the original character is 2 Petatons. Obviously we need to be sure that the two halves have equal power, but as long as it's not inconsistent, it should be accepted.
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What Tri says makes sense to me.
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I mean there is still ZERO reason not to accept the multipliers that are in a guide book in which Toriyama says the writers know more about the series than him.
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I do believe consistent multiplier should be accepted. To me, multiplier said by another character, a knowledgeable one, is more reliable than the one said by the character themselves.
You know if this got accepted, Madoka and other few characters could jumps tier from 5-B to 4-A at the lowest lowball.
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99% Sure they wouldn't if it isHomu Sweet Homu said:
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The strikethrough exists for a reason pal.Gargoyle One said:
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A reason you didn't bother giving
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Why pointing out the obvious thing.
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Not really derailing since you brought up a multiplier.
I'm actually curious since that would be consistent
I'm actually curious since that would be consistent
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Well, I'm not the best one to explain this, but Madoka did consistently getting stronger each times Homura travels back in time due the whole Karmic Destiny thing. (it also has been stated by Incubator who are pretty knowledgeable about MM verse).
Madoka went from 7-C (Her very first atttack stats) to 7-B then went from 7-B to 6-C, then went from 6-C to 5-C for one shotting Wal. There are also the unexplored 96 resets too.
While her getting stronger is consistent, the multiplier number keeps getting bigger from each reset.
Madoka went from 7-C (Her very first atttack stats) to 7-B then went from 7-B to 6-C, then went from 6-C to 5-C for one shotting Wal. There are also the unexplored 96 resets too.
While her getting stronger is consistent, the multiplier number keeps getting bigger from each reset.
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That's not a multipler though
That's just getting stronger
That's just getting stronger
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Yeah, I know.
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That really isn't relevant here, as there are no actual multipliers stated or anything.
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So it basically all comes down to a case by case basis.
I guess we should just write that if a verse has multipliers it must be evaluated first since different verses don't treat multipliers the same as each other and if it would cause any inconsistency in the verse itself.
I guess we should just write that if a verse has multipliers it must be evaluated first since different verses don't treat multipliers the same as each other and if it would cause any inconsistency in the verse itself.
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I agree with the majority here.
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Could I have an opinion on this?Dragonmasterxyz said:
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I'm fine with that.
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@Dragon
Looks good.
Looks good.
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@Dragonmasterxyz
I'm fine with that.
I'm fine with that.
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I agree but even small multipliers should have atleast minor evidence to support them.
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I know, but that's important for verses like GoHS which has a whopping 250,000x multiplier. lol
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In my opinion for small multipliers it should be enough if the character has clear implications of being superior to his previous self, example stomping a character he was previously on par with.
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Yeah, that would be enough evidence for a small multiplier.
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Hmm i would guess like 5x or less is small 100x or more is big.
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A big multiplier is like 100x, 1000x, etc.
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What happens with character like Izuku who use percentages? He described the difference in power between 5% to 8% as obviously small, so it should be fine to use the percentages of One For All as multipliers? For example 8% being 1.6 times stronger than 5%, or 20% being 2.5 times stronger than 8%.
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As long as he has implications of being stronger, IE overpowers characters who were comparable/equal to his 5% then yea it should be fine IMO.
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Bleach regularly uses multipliers of 5-10 several times throughout the series for different aspects of characters, would this mean we could further look into the potential usage of most of them given how small the numbers are?
