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We don't have to assume that anymore as Whis made it clear that he was dodging the attacks unconsciously.Pannaliciour said:Can we assume Goku masterd UI on the defence but not offense?
- Except if he perfects UI, he will be able to separate the mind completely from the body as stated by Whis, so his body will still move on its own. Currently, his body only moves on its own while dodging, disregarding everything about what's going on the brain.LazyHunter said:Even if Goku perfects UI to the point he can attack unconsciously/by instict we are still left with two undeniable facts:
- The mind/brain are still active and process information while using UI, ergo they can be manipulated or tricked by illusions.
- The mind/brain can still give conscious orders to the body that override UI. Even if an UI can fight unsconsciously/by instint, their conscious mind is still there and can control the body if needed.
- Except if he perfects UI, he will be able to separate the mind completely from the body as stated by Whis, so his body will still move on its own. Currently, his body only moves on its own while dodging, disregarding everything about what's going on the brain.LazyHunter said:Even if Goku perfects UI to the point he can attack unconsciously/by instict we are still left with two undeniable facts:
- The mind/brain are still active and process information while using UI, ergo they can be manipulated or tricked by illusions.
- The mind/brain can still give conscious orders to the body that override UI. Even if an UI can fight unsconsciously/by instint, their conscious mind is still there and can control the body if needed.
I've already talked about this early above.Pannaliciour said:He wasn't hit once when UI is fully activated. Can he be hit by an opponent that doesnt have UI no matter how fast his opponent is. Because Whis said you can avoid any danger.
Ok nice. Maybe they ment with UI he can avoid any danger as long his oppenent is in the same league/tier aa Goku. So nobody can hit Goku if they are low 2-c or lower. What do you think about that?Ryukama said:No. The-One-Above-All's showings are ludicrously above anything Dragon Ball has ever shown. So if he stepped in the DB verse he'd annihilate them. That isn't a big fish stepping to an ocean of sharks. That's Cthulhu looking at a bunch of microbes in a water drop.
That's how we rate things. Based on feats and evidence. Saitama can one shot characters from other series who he has better feats and evidence than (Spider-Man, Luffy, etc.) yet gets one by those from other series who have better feats and evidence than Saitama does (Thanos, Dark Schneider, etc.)
Same with Ultra Instinct Goku. We rate him and put him in VS matches based upon who he's proven to be superior to, not just assuming he's superior to everyone ever without proof.
I think that as of now there's nothing supporting the idea that nobody who's Low 2-C or even lower tiers can hit Goku if they were orders of magnitude faster than him. I'm sorry but where are you getting all these ideas of "Absolutely no one no matter how fast can hit Goku" or "Goku's immune to every Low 2-C" based upon the very little information we've been given of it, none of which suggests these things?Pannaliciour said:Ok nice. Maybe they ment with UI he can avoid any danger as long his oppenent is in the same league/tier aa Goku. So nobody can hit Goku if they are low 2-c or lower. What do you think about that?
Oke don't want to be the bad guy here, we having just a discussion oke. I am also figuring out how this work.Ryukama said:I think that as of now there's nothing supporting the idea that nobody who's Low 2-C or even lower tiers can hit Goku if they were orders of magnitude faster than him. I'm sorry but where are you getting all these ideas of "Absolutely no one no matter how fast can hit Goku" or "Goku's immune to every Low 2-C" based upon the very little information we've been given of it, none of which suggests these things?Pannaliciour said:Ok nice. Maybe they ment with UI he can avoid any danger as long his oppenent is in the same league/tier aa Goku. So nobody can hit Goku if they are low 2-c or lower. What do you think about that?
Ok lets me say this then: Do you really think thinking less its the difference of getting owned by Jiren to simple matching him and even have an advantage over him? I don't know about the brainspeed but thats a very big difference! Or getting owend by Kalifa ssj to completely dominating her in her full power ssj2? Or When UI run out for Beerus he got hit many times. Again, a thinking-issue can't give you that much of an advantage (from taking on 11 gods simultaneousl and not getting hit, to fighting 1 on 1 and getting hit) Thats not just a brain-issue.Ryukama said:Again, can you please give some proof that UI is immune to speedblitzing by much faster opponents besides your opinion that it should be.
The description of UI so far, it makes characters faster by having the body react separately from the body. This description does not at all suggest someone who was like, a googolplex times faster than UI Goku couldn't hit him before his body reacts to it. Plus UI Goku most likely can still get hit by people like Grand Priest.
Why train for UI? Because it's an advanced technique that tremendously improves the martial artist's abilities. Because having to think before you fight will always hold you back, so those training UI wish to overcome that limitation. Because even if they increase their speed conventionally, they can still become even faster if they knew UI. Even if UI isn't this godly NLF you claim it to be, it's still totally reasonable people would want to know it.
And how does Beerus not getting hit by the GoDs proves that he again couldn't get hit by someone vastly superior to him?
Stopped reading here:' Ultra Instinct is explicitly stated by Whis to be the body reacting and moving without the brain having to think about itRyukama said:This is fiction. Not everything has to be realistic. Ultra Instinct is explicitly stated by Whis to be the body reacting and moving without the brain having to think about it. Maybe in real life the short delay of your brain thinking about throwing a punch before you throw a punch isn't that substantial, but in Dragon Ball it's been proven that removing this limitation drastically increases your speed very heavily.
I said it's a technique that increases the martial artist's (nearly every figher in DB is a martial artist) abilities. Not that it's a martial arts move like a punch or a kick.
I'm sorry but this is purely headcanon. There's no evidence that Ultra Instinct can't be blitzed by vastly faster opponents. There's no evidence that Ultra Instinct Goku can avoid any danger (if anything the exact opposite since we know Grand Priest and Zeno can still destroy him). There's no evidence that Ultra Instinct is this godly NLF hax that nothing from any series ever can touch.
All we know about the technique, it's the body thinking and reacting on its own without the brain having to think. Until there are any further showings or statements that support your idea that it's any of the above, we can't say it is such.
AnonymouXOtakuXAnonymouXOtakuX said:@Ryu please, your wasting your time with him. this isn't worth it, we all get what you mean and fully agree.
it was a joke, im really sorry if it offended you, my cellphone is kinda f*cked up, so it sometimes doesn't fully write what i want, not mention it turned off when i was gonna edit it. BYA right now im using my laptopPannaliciour said:AnonymouXOtakuXAnonymouXOtakuX said:@Ryu please, your wasting your time with him. this isn't worth it, we all get what you mean and fully agree.
please behave yourself, I only had a good discussion with Ryu. No need to say things like that. You are a person with value you don't need to scratch his back remember that!