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Since my previous CRT that tried scaling Shiki above Witch's Matrix got rejected but I still had some stuff I'd like to discuss, I decided to make a whole new CRT for the sake of simplicity.

1. Now, the main point of my CRT regards 2 things. First off, Beginning of Series Complete Overdrive Shiki was stated to be on the same level as Elsie Crimson and Drakken Joe. Now, we know that he is still weaker than them (since he needed to weaken Drakken Joe's Overdrive to beat him and Elsie stated to Ziggy that his OD didn't match her until post-timeskip), but he is still comparable to them. This would logically put him far above Xenolith, who stated that he couldn't even hold a candle to Ziggy, who is equal to Elsie and Drakken Joe pre-timeskip.

This is supported by how people with Overdrives have been shown to not be much weaker in their base forms than in their Overdrives.

Further support for this is during Shiki's fight against Kawpicatt when Justice and his crew, despite sensing Elsie's Ether levels, were still shocked by Base and Incomplete Overdrive Shiki's power level, so if even incomplete OD Shiki shocks them with its power, OD Shiki is definitely on at least a similar level, even if he is still weaker.

Thus, BoS and Nero 66 Overdrive Shiki should scale above Xenolith's 3.574 yottaton calc.


1.5. However, this is very important to the main part of this CRT. Base Shura easily blocked a hit from Overdrive Nero 66 Shiki (who obviously scales above his BoS Overdrive) and took a surprise kick to the head from Overdrive Shiki with only minor injury, meaning he should downscale to 2.7 yottatons (Baseline 5-A).

This is supported by Nero being confident in his son being able to handle Ziggy, although Shura did admit he was "going to become" as strong as his father (meaning he wasn't exactly as strong as Nero), so he's not as strong as Nero but comparable. In fact, Shura was confident that he would be able to soon exceed his father, Poseidon Nero, in power despite having some knowledge of how strong Ziggy and Nero are, which further shows him as comparable to Poseidon Nero and people on that level. He was also confident that he could kill Eraser, although this was during one of his psychotic sprees, and that he and Shiki together could beat Ziggy.

Also, Shura's power was viewed as a potential threat by the pre-timeskip Oracion Seis, with them launching an attack on him simply due to him being a threat that they wanted to eliminate before he could claim the throne.

Also, he broke the Eden Zero's armor, and while the EZ's durability definitely does not scale to the Star Bringer Cannon (since a blast from OD Deadend Crow badly hurt the wing), its durability should be comparable to its normal arsenal, and it was implied that the EZ still had the power to kill Feather with its other weapons without even using the Star Bringer. Of course, Shura only broke a part of the EZ's armor, so he definitely doesn't scale to the full durability of the Edens Zero, it's a supporting downscale feat.

So yeah, Base Shura downscales to Baseline 5-A (2.7 yottatons), which scales to Nero 66 Base Shiki and Jinn.

Edit: In chapter 227, Pino notes that Shiki can't use his full post-Ziggy Base power due to his body "not being able to use the energy he got since the Aoi War", meaning that New-Universe Base Shiki with power instability is at his Nero 66 level. This same Shiki who was unable to use his full power and was stuck at Nero 66 levels of power took multiple attacks from a New-Universe Nero equal to Post-Ziggy Base Shiki (who is Base Lendard Shiki + Base Ziggy) and was honestly fine asides from some scrapes. He also was able to repel Nero's water attack with his Gravity.

1.55. Now the fun begins.

Wizard in base matched 10% Lendard Shiki, who is >= Base Nero 66 Arc Shiki. This puts 10% Shiki at 2.7 yottatons, and puts his pre-Ziggy fight Overdrive at 27 yottatons.

Basically: 2.7 yottatons = Base Nero 66 Shiki << Base Wizard >=< 10% OD Shiki < 100% OD Shiki = 27 yottatons.

Base Lendard Arc Shiki one-shot Drain Ether Wizard, who is 5.4 yottatons via absorbing 10% Shiki's power, so he scales to 5.4 yottatons, as do Ziggy's other commanders as well as anyone who did better against a Post-Timeskip OSG level opponent than Wizard did against Base Shiki (who is way weaker than the Post-Timeskip OSG level people), which I'll get more into later.

Clown, Killer, and Brigandine also scale above Drain Ether Wizard, making them all 5.4 yottatons.

Lendard Arc Arsenal Suit and OD Weisz both matched the 5.4 yottaton Killer, and Base Weisz downscales to baseline 5-A (2.7 yottatons) via downscaling from the 5.4 yottaton Killer, and Base Homura did better than him against a stronger opponent, so she is above him in both Base (2.7 yottatons) and Overdrive (5.4 yottatons).

Valkyrie is above Lendard Arc OD Homura and Pre-TS Elsie Crimson scales above Valkyrie, so all of the pre-timeskip OSG level people scale to 5.4 yottatons. Brigandine is already 5.4 yottatons via scaling above Drain Ether Wizard, Clown, and Killer, but he also dominated the 5.4 yottaton OD Homura, and he is also above Jaguar who FRA is 5.4 yottatons. So basically, OD Homura is somewhat above 5.4 yottatons, while Brigandine is far above 5.4 yottatons thanks to the scaling chain.

Overdrive Rebecca did better in her fight with Clown than Base Weisz did against Killer (even taking an attack from him and being relatively fine, and even though she only did major damage by hitting a weak spot, he still congratulated her, apologized for taking her lightly, and said it was time to get serious, at which point he activated his Battle Dress and actually did stomp her), so just her Overdrive will scale above Base Weisz and be Baseline 5-A (2.7 yottatons).

Battle Dress Sister took a punch from Clown without issue and one-shot a creature made from his Ether, so she should be comparable to Clown.

Battle Dress Hermit should also be 5.58 yottatons, as she was confident that she could beat Base Killer despite having analyzed his fight with Weisz, and should be comparable to Battle Dress Sister. This means her Lendard Arc Base should be split from her Battle Dress and be "5-B+, 5-A with Battle Dress, higher with Overdrive" (I'll explain the 5-B+ base below).

Also, right before the Edens Zero defeated OD Deadend Crow, Cure had fused/merged himself with OD Deadend Crow. Thus, the OD Deadend Crow that was killed by the Edens Zero was actually OD Deadend Crow's + Cure, meaning it should have the power of both of them). This is supported by statements of his power increasing immensely. This puts the fusion of Cure and OD DEC at 54 yottatons, which would scale to the 100% of the Star Bringer Cannon.

This would make the people who scale to 3.66% of the Star Bringer Cannon each equal to 1.9764 yottatons of TNT (which is 5-B+).

Nero 66 Overdrive Weisz, Overdrive Homura, and Overdrive Kleene all stomped people who scaled to 1.9764 yottatons, so they upscale to baseline 5-A (as the gap is only about 1.366x between 2.7 and 1.9764 yottatons).

Nero 66 Arc OD Weisz stomped Sea Devil Nasseh (who Arsenal Suit Weisz matched, btw), who is far above the Nasseh who damaged Mosco, who took hits from post-modification Jinn who scales to Base BoS Shiki.

Nero 66 Arc OD Homura one-shot Milani, who matched her base, which scales above her previous 1.9764 yottaton base. Not to mention, she also one-shot Milani's 4 duplicates, which should be comparable to Milani since a mirror duplicate of Base Homura was a threat to Rebecca and Weisz and was portrayed as being as strong as Base Homura.

Nero 66 Arc OD Kleene one-shot Lyra, who matched her base, which scales above her previous 1.9764 yottaton base.

BoS Rebecca fought Nino, who is somewhat comparable to Garrot and Baku, who both matched Base Shiki, so her BoS Base will also be baseline 5-B+ (1.38 yottatons). Her Nero 66 Base scales above this (supported by her hurting an Ether-less Shiki who is comparable to Shiki's normal Base), and her Lendard Arc Base scales far above this, making her Lendard Arc self a "5-B+, 5-A with Overdrive".

Lendard Arc Base Jinn currently scales to an Ether-less Holy who downscales from Cure due to hurting him without Ether (as he wiped out multiple Avatars when just one of them hurt Ether-less Holy), and Base Laguna also defeated multiple Avatars, so he should be comparable to Base Jinn. As for what value they scale to, they should scale above Drain Ether Wizard's 5.4 yottatons for, as mentioned above, doing much better against an opponent far stronger than Base Shiki (who one-shot Drain Ether Wizard).

Lendard Arc Base Kleene also downscales to 5.4 yottatons since she took a punch from OD Deadend Crow and recovered shortly after (albeit with clear damage), and her AP should be comparable to her durability.

2. In that virtual video game world, Shiki's attack power was 2000 to 2500, while the strongest possible power in the game was 999. Considering that Jamilov was stated to have the strongest stats possible in the game, this means he had an attack power of 999 points, meaning he was 2 to 2.5 times weaker than Shiki (which is consistent with an enraged Shiki walloping him). So he'd be between 790.4 and 988 zettatons. I mean no one cares about him but might as well state this.

3. Warrior Maid 95 Homura without Anti-Dragon Ether was able to defeat/kill one of the Dragons on Lendard, albeit with her strongest attack. She was also able to damage one with a normal attack. These were the same Dragons that made Justice dodge and would've even killed him had the Warrior Maid not taken the blow for him, which itself is a durability feat for the Warrior Maid 95 (albeit probably a downscaling one since it also got destroyed by the blast). This would put Homura's Warrior Maid 95 at 5.4 yottatons via downscaling from Justice.

How do we know she didn't have anti-Dragon Ether? Well, when she did have it, she one-shot multiple Dragons with just one attack, yet her Strongest Attack later on could only take out one.


4. Jinn without Ether did as well as Ether-less Holy against Deadend Crow's drones, who were able to pressure them with numbers and bruise both of them. Since their Ether-less forms are comparable, their forms with Ether should be comparable, making Jinn scale to Holy's 27 yottatons (when they have Ether, of course).

  • 470.57 zettatons (5-B): Pre-Modifications Jinn
  • 1.38 yottatons (5-B+): Base Rebecca in all keys, Beginning of Story and Nero 66 Base Weisz
  • 1.9764 yottayons (5-B+): Beginning of Story Base Shiki, Beginning of Story and Nero 66 Base Homura, Beginning of Story and Nero 66 Arsenal Suit Weisz, Witch, Base Sister in all keys, Base Hermit in all keys, Beginning of Story and Nero 66 Base Kleene
  • 2.7 yottatons (5-A): Beginning of Story Incomplete Overdrive Shiki, BoS Incomplete Overdrive Jinn, Base and Mutated Overdrive Drakken Joe, Nero 66 Overdrive Weisz and Lendard Arc Base Weisz, Nero 66 Arc Overdrive Homura and Lendard Arc Base Homura, Nero 66 Arc Overdrive Kleene, Lendard Arc Overdrive Rebecca, Base Nero 66 Arc Shiki, Base Nero 66 Arc Jinn, Base Shura, Base Wizard, 10% Overdrive Lendard Arc Shiki
  • 3.574 yottatons (5-A): Beginning of Story and Nero 66 Arc Complete Overdrive Shiki, Overdrive Shura, Overdrive Nero 66 Arc Jinn (via being comparable to OD Shiki since their bases are equal)
  • 5.4 yottatons (5-A): Lendard Arc Base Shiki, Clown, Drain Ether Wizard, Killer, Lendard Arc Arsenal Suit and Overdrive Weisz, Lendard Arc Overdrive Homura and Warrior Maid 95, Valkyrie, Brigandine, Lendard Battle Dress & Overdrive Hermit, Pre-TS Ziggy, Jaguar, Pre-Timeskip Elsie and all the other Pre-Timeskip OSG members, Poseidon Nero, Feather, Lendard Arc Laguna, Lendard Arc Base and Overdrive Kleene, Deadend Crow's Avatars, Holy w/o her Ether Gear, Lendard Arc Battle Dress Sister, Base Deadend Crow, Edens Zero's standard weaponry and durability
  • 27 yottatons (5-A): All the post-Timeskip OSG members, Lendard Arc Base and OD Ziggy, Lendard Arc OD and Evolved OD Shiki, Lendard Arc Base and Overdrive Jinn, Eden Zero's shield durability (via taking a punch from OD Deadend Crow)
  • 32.4 yottatons: Post-Ziggy Fight Base Shiki
  • 54 yottatons (5-A): Edens Zero's Star Bringer Cannon, Post-Ziggy Fight Overdrive and Evolved Overdrive Shiki, Fused Cure + OD Deadend Crow
 
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I know that Mitch and Clover are intentionally ignoring this CRT for some reason but I'm still gonna bump
 
Also, in the latest chapter, Shiki took hits from a Nero who was equal to his Post Ziggy fight base, even though Shiki's power instability meant that he was not at full durability and was only capable of using his power at the level of his Nero 66 self (as stated by Pino), so his Nero 66 self took hits from someone as strong as Post-Ziggy Base Shiki.

So yes, Nero 66 Shiki/Shura downscaling from OD Shiki is consistent.
 
Also, the EZ itself should be "5-A, higher with Star Bringer", with its normal AP and durability scaling to Shiki heavily implying that its normal weapons could kill Feather (as noted above).

Is that fine with everyone?

Also, Mutated OD Drakken Joe should be Baseline 5-A via downscaling, he should not scale to Complete OD Shiki because Shiki easily defeated and destroyed him with Complete Overdrive.

He and Base Drakken Joe would downscale to baseline 5-A, especially since Base Drakken Joe is far stronger than Incomplete Overdrive Shiki.
 
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I'd rather leave the scaling to those knowledgeable on the verse but since my input is required, I think the changes seem fine.
 
Ok, minor change.

So Laguna didn't fight the Avatar body that hurt Holy, he only fought the drones which are not confirmed to be the same as his Avatar.

However, he one-shot multiple Drones with his water attack, while Ether-Less Holy was being overwhelmed even with Ether-less Jinn's help against the drones and was getting bruised by them, so he should scale above an Ether-Less Holy.
 
OMG, y'all really let Eseseso convince you Overdrive Shiki>Xenolith?

I ignored this cause I thought it was obvious that wasn't the case, but y'all really just accepted it without argument 🤦‍♂️
Since my previous CRT that tried scaling Shiki above Witch's Matrix got rejected but I still had some stuff I'd like to discuss, I decided to make a whole new CRT for the sake of simplicity.

1. Now, the main point of my CRT regards 2 things. First off, Beginning of Series Complete Overdrive Shiki was stated to be on the same level as Elsie Crimson and Drakken Joe. Now, we know that he is still weaker than them (since he needed to weaken Drakken Joe's Overdrive to beat him and Elsie stated to Ziggy that his OD didn't match her until post-timeskip), but he is still comparable to them. This would logically put him far above Xenolith, who stated that he couldn't even hold a candle to Ziggy, who is equal to Elsie and Drakken Joe pre-timeskip.
First of all, that statement has massive issues. Victory is questioning if there is an Ether Master as good as both Drakken Joe and Elsie based on it being called "Demon King"Ether, but as we know, there's massive issues with Shiki directly being Oracion Seis level yet. It's only after 3 years of training that Shiki is explicitly as strong as the Oracion Seis. But that's not even my biggest issue, that statement alone does not prove that Overdrive Shiki>Xenolith. During their training, Xenolith clearly implies Shiki is too weak and that his gravity is too light, as well Shiki reacts in shock to Xenolith's feat of moving the ocean. Xenolith says he doesn't hold a candle to Ziggy yes, but Shiki being loosely compared to Elsie and Drakken Joe from someone who DIDN'T EVEN SENSE THE ETHER LEVELS himself isn't strong enough. Xenolith was also very easily handling Shiki in their training and is very clearly superior. Also Xenolith never said this about Elsie. We know Jaguar is the strongest of the Oracion Seis Interstellar at this time and that means he's above Justice and Elsie by proxy. So even if Elsie is capable of fighting and defeating a weakened injured Ziggy, she's still overall weaker Pre-TS, meaning the comparison of scale is even less valid.

Xenolith<<<Ziggy

Shiki<<<Elsie<Ziggy

Like no... Shiki does not scale above Xenolith
Further support for this is during Shiki's fight against Kawpicatt when Justice and his crew, despite sensing Elsie's Ether levels, were still shocked by Base and Incomplete Overdrive Shiki's power level, so if even incomplete OD Shiki shocks them with its power, OD Shiki is definitely on at least a similar level, even if he is still weaker.
They're just shocked there's ether similar to Ziggy the Demon King, this is not a feat of power that means anything
This is supported by Nero being confident in his son being able to handle Ziggy, although Shura did admit he was "going to become" as strong as his father (meaning he wasn't exactly as strong as Nero), so he's not as strong as Nero but comparable
This just blatantly isn't true, Nero let his son handle the war cause that's what his dice foretold would allow him to win

Even then, Nero said that his dice foretold he would lose his Empire, so he let Shura take over, knowing he would fail and lose the Empire
In fact, Shura was confident that he would be able to soon exceed his father, Poseidon Nero, in power despite having some knowledge of how strong Ziggy and Nero are, which further shows him as comparable to Poseidon Nero and people on that level.
He says he'll surpass them eventually... Means nothing about his current level
None of these are directly about Shura's individual power, most of them are about how Shura is now directly in control of the Nero Empire, which is why he's such a threat. Cause he's a violent asshole and yet now has control of an entire empire.
Also, he broke the Eden Zero's armor, and while the EZ's durability definitely does not scale to the Star Bringer Cannon (since a blast from OD Deadend Crow badly hurt the wing), its durability should be comparable to its normal arsenal, and it was implied that the EZ still had the power to kill Feather with its other weapons without even using the Star Bringer. Of course, Shura only broke a part of the EZ's armor, so he definitely doesn't scale to the full durability of the Edens Zero, it's a supporting downscale feat.
Small hole in ship =/= breaking a wing
In chapter 227, Pino notes that Shiki can't use his full post-Ziggy Base power due to his body "not being able to use the energy he got since the Aoi War", meaning that New-Universe Base Shiki with power instability is at his Nero 66 level. This same Shiki who was unable to use his full power and was stuck at Nero 66 levels of power took multiple attacks from a New-Universe Nero equal to Post-Ziggy Base Shiki (who is Base Lendard Shiki + Base Ziggy) and was honestly fine asides from some scrapes. He also was able to repel Nero's water attack with his Gravity.
Well we wasn't said to be equal to his Nero 66 self, it's said his body can't keep up and is out of whack, I wouldn't say this directly means he's equal to his Base during the Kaede War
Wizard in base matched 10% Lendard Shiki, who is >= Base Nero 66 Arc Shiki. This puts 10% Shiki at 2.7 yottatons, and puts his pre-Ziggy fight Overdrive at 27 yottatons.
Base Wizard downscales from 10% Lendard Shiki, he doesn't match him

Also Wizard should only know of Belilal Gore Base Shiki since that was the only time he saw him... Apparently Ziggy never informed Wizard of Shiki's actual power for some weird reason as Wizard didn't even know he could Overdrive at all
Also, right before the Edens Zero defeated OD Deadend Crow, Cure had fused/merged himself with OD Deadend Crow. Thus, the OD Deadend Crow that was killed by the Edens Zero was actually OD Deadend Crow's + Cure, meaning it should have the power of both of them). This is supported by statements of his power increasing immensely. This puts the fusion of Cure and OD DEC at 54 yottatons, which would scale to the 100% of the Star Bringer Cannon.
This is actually fine

Meh, that's me going over stuff, my major complaint is the assumption of Overdrive Shiki>Xenolith, cause that is ridiculous to suggest solely off of Victory's off handed comment from a an Ether reading he didn't even see himself. I wasn't gonna get involved until I noticed it was actually accepted, so I had to step in when I saw that. I guess that makes me an asshole for waiting for it to actually be done to participate. I’m just tired of CRT’s in general TBH
 
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First of all, that statement has massive issues. Victory is questioning if there is an Ether Master as good as both Drakken Joe and Elsie based on it being called "Demon King"Ether, but as we know, there's massive issues with Shiki directly being Oracion Seis level yet. It's only after 3 years of training that Shiki is explicitly as strong as the Oracion Seis.
Hence him not being scaled to their level exactly.
But that's not even my biggest issue, that statement alone does not prove that Overdrive Shiki>Xenolith. During their training, Xenolith clearly implies Shiki is too weak and that his gravity is too light,
Base Shiki was the only form of Shiki's that fought him, but admittedly the implications are kind of still there.
as well Shiki reacts in shock to Xenolith's feat of moving the ocean.
He fought people stronger than Xenolith and wasn't totally shocked at their power, it was moreso witnessing the actual feat itself than Xenolith's power level.

Ziggy in a previous chapter crushed an entire planet yet Shiki wasn't shocked, are we going to say that Xenolith is above Ziggy for shocking Shiki?

Also, Shiki using Black Sky at the end of
Xenolith says he doesn't hold a candle to Ziggy yes, but Shiki being loosely compared to Elsie and Drakken Joe from someone who DIDN'T EVEN SENSE THE ETHER LEVELS himself isn't strong enough.
That's fair, although you did kinda use Victory's statement in your own CRT to back 5-A Complete OD Shiki.
Also Xenolith never said this about Elsie. We know Jaguar is the strongest of the Oracion Seis Interstellar at this time and that means he's above Justice and Elsie by proxy. So even if Elsie is capable of fighting and defeating a weakened injured Ziggy, she's still overall weaker Pre-TS, meaning the comparison of scale is even less valid.
She should still be comparable since Ziggy said he would not leave a fight with her unscathed.

Also, after hearing that Shiki and his group defeated Drakken Joe, Goodwin said that if they beat Joe, they can beat Nero, heavily implying that they are comparable to each other.

And Elsie = Drakken Joe.
Small hole in ship =/= breaking a wing
I know, it is more of a supporting feat for Shura since it'd support him downscaling from the EZ's standard durability, which scales to its normal cannons which threatened Feather.
Well he wasn't said to be equal to his Nero 66 self, it's said his body can't keep up and is out of whack, I wouldn't say this directly means he's equal to his Base during the Kaede War
Pino said that he couldn't handle/use the power he got over 3 years, meaning that at the very least his durability should be comparable to his Nero 66 self. It's supported by his power-unstable self pushed back an attack from Nero.
Base Wizard downscales from 10% Lendard Shiki, he doesn't match him
Shiki said that his 10% wasn't enough to easily beat him, and even asides from that Wizard seemed pretty even with 10% Shiki the whole match.
This is actually fine
Ok, thank you.

The stuff discussed here that isn't related to the scaling is:

1. Laguna scaling above Ether-less Holy via one-shotting many drones of DEC at once, who were able to pressure and bruise her.
2. The ship EZ having its weaponry outside of the Star Bringer separated from the Star Bringer, since in no way should the EZ's normal AP/durability scale to its strongest attack that requires charging up.
3. Kleene' durability downscaling from full-power DEC and her AP scaling to her durability.
4. Hermit's Lendard Key splitting her base from her Battle Dress FRA.
I guess that makes me an asshole for waiting for it to actually be done to participate.
It does, but at least you admit it.
I’m just tired of CRT’s in general TBH
And I get that.

But asides from the Xenolith-Shiki issue, does the scaling above as a whole look ok to you?

Like Base Shura downscaling from Nero 66 Overdrive Shiki via his 2 feats above, Lendard Arc Hermit's Base being split from her Battle Dress, Homura's Warrior Maid 95 downscaling from Justice FRA things like that.

Even if the Xenolith thing is rejected, Base Shura downscaling from OD Shiki (which makes sense since it's been shown throughout the series that Overdrives are not vastly above one's base form) would still make Shura 1.38 gigatons (5-B+). I can revise the scaling for that accordingly if need be.

Also, Zackra has some extra stuff that could also affect EZ scaling, so Imma wait to see what he has to say.
 
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