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I am going to be debunking this thread.
Firstly on the databook files. The files literally talk about what each person is best at. Sage mode is noted to enhance literally everything a person can do. How ever the sound are good at specific things. The funny thing is when it comes to Sakon it talks about how in level he can enter a person’s body and gradually destroy their cells. How on earth is that an amp? That is straight up an increase to his ability and how it works. And why is this as we get noted it is a 10 times boost to his chakra. While is this important sage mode is the taking in of natural energy from the outside to the inside to give the person a chakra boosts which amps literally everything about a person. This is noted by Pa.
The one correct thing in the original thread is that they get a 10 times chakra boost now to show how that chakra boost boosts their physicals ignoring even the blatant statement by Pa.
Akamaru notes Sakon as tougher than Jirobo. This is also supported by Kabuto straight up calling him the strongest of the S4.
Sakon just by going into Level 1 is faster. Note that Kiba had seen him in action prior to going level 1 so he would know what his speed is. Level 2 would of course give him greater physicals.
Jirobo when fighting Choji has some statements that are mysteriously missing from the CRT. When Choji gets a chakra boost from his pills Jirobo states that it was massive enough to transform him.
Now here is an interesting bit. Choji focuses all his chakra into his left hand. Yet blocks Jirobo’s Level 2 attack with his right you can still see the chakra in his left this means that just getting a boost to his chakra amount increased his physicals massively even with his chakra focused elsewhere. This should be no different to the boosts in chakra gained by the S4 only that it is much much higher.
Kidomaru, I love that Kidomaru was noted for his accuracy increasing in his Level 2 form which is correct but what I love more is how the manga is ignored when it is straight up stated that his destructive power increased massively as well. Neji went from being able to deflect his attacks completely with his chakra shield with the few that hit him barely piercing skin to barely able to deflect it from piercing right through his shoulder. This is a clear AP increase.
Next Tayuya, it isn’t actually noted that Level to boosts her genjutsu if people bother reading the text although it obviously would based on what Pa has said as well as based on the use of a chakra boost. However it also boosts her strength. She was unable to move against Shikamaru’s basic shadow possession but was breaking out of it in Level 2 with Shikamaru noting her strength. Which is due to her boost in chakra.
Finally Kimimaro the one that truly made me shake my head in disbelief. The amp that Kimimaro gets is so obviously a strength amp its not even funny. In base he gets hit with a sand coffin and cant move. Until he uses Level 1 and his kekkei genkai to barely escape with a ton of injuries and you can see it took some time to power through. Then in Level 2 the same move is used on him and he bursts out immediately. Tell me how that is not a strength increase please. Gaara makes a wall of sand in front of him and he breaks through instantly while calling it a joke. He even tanks Lee’s kick with 0 damage and almost oneshots him through Gaara’s sand defense with a casual tail swipe. So tell me how with all this with Kimimaro he did not get a strength boost and how his Level to CS is somehow not potent.
The power of a person’s chakra is based on their chakra control as well as the amount. If you have a lot of chakra like Naruto but no control (the nine tails being a big reason for that) your chakra boost is negligible. As people get higher in the tiers they tend to be better at chakra control which improves their AP.
“The portion "Although their actual effect and potency are not directly evident" is basically saying that the effects and potency of the "amp" means that the amp isn't noticeable, which should be the case for a 10 TIMES MULTIPLIER.”
This doesn’t matter. Because it contradicts CS2 when CS2 are very blatant power increases especially with the physical changes you see and well the evidence I posted above. That is not to say the text contradicts it I think it is obvious however that they are talking about CS1. Which makes far more sense in that regard.
“A Pain who was matching base Naruto's AP could block and take a kick from SM Naruto with minimal injuries.
A quick 2 Pain combo could hurt Naruto and put him in a full nelson.
An even more tired, weakened, and injured Pain could take a kick from SM Naruto.”
Naruto was not hurt at all. And in fact was just about to break out of the full nelson before the pain started absorbing his senjutsu energy. Pain who was further away from Nagato (reducing his chakra and thus reducing his power all together as shown by the fact that he had to get close to launch a CT) was indeed contending with base Naruto and as even Tempest acknowledges he was getting destroyed in 1v1 combat after Naruto entered sage mode. He literally got smashed away by a single kick I am not sure why we suddenly get the idea that people somewhat scale when they could not block an attack they saw coming in any way
The use of rinnengan sasuke to scale base Naruto. Base Naruto and rinnengan sasuke smashed into each other once. That was it, there is no way someone can possibly use that to say that they scale to each other. Literally immediately after Naruto uses spsm+kcm only the anime extended that fight and it was a clear Sasuke favoured fight.
He uses base Naruto to scale to momoshiki which is fine, but how does that mean anything for SPSM? SPSM did not struggle at all with momoshiki in fact he dealt with him pretty easily.
Delta was not being serious at all against base Naruto she basically has two modes one where she is just playing around then when she gets angry she literally gets a chakra aura just as Naruto goes into his own chakra mode.
Base Naruto taking a hit from jigen is nothing special. Jigen’s base is unknown, Jigen in karma mode was fighting SPSM and of course sasuke. The base Naruto vs isshiki kick is a text book outlier but even if it wasn’t something people seem to forget is that Naruto has rage boosts, simply because he hasn’t gotten properly mad until his son was in trouble. On top of that Isshiki gets a scratch and suddenly base Naruto is comparable?. People getting stomped on is not a feat and anyone should know. I cant believe that Naruto taking knee attacks is being used to rate him to Isshiki.
The most egregious one is that of suigetsu vs Ay. I genuinely cant imagine that people can see that and somehow say that Suigetsu somewhat scales with Ay when his arms literally got destroyed upon taking the attack we literally see it in the same scan he links and I believe that Suigetsu notes the same thing. The fact that this was used feels extremely dishonest.
Firstly on the databook files. The files literally talk about what each person is best at. Sage mode is noted to enhance literally everything a person can do. How ever the sound are good at specific things. The funny thing is when it comes to Sakon it talks about how in level he can enter a person’s body and gradually destroy their cells. How on earth is that an amp? That is straight up an increase to his ability and how it works. And why is this as we get noted it is a 10 times boost to his chakra. While is this important sage mode is the taking in of natural energy from the outside to the inside to give the person a chakra boosts which amps literally everything about a person. This is noted by Pa.
The one correct thing in the original thread is that they get a 10 times chakra boost now to show how that chakra boost boosts their physicals ignoring even the blatant statement by Pa.
Akamaru notes Sakon as tougher than Jirobo. This is also supported by Kabuto straight up calling him the strongest of the S4.
Sakon just by going into Level 1 is faster. Note that Kiba had seen him in action prior to going level 1 so he would know what his speed is. Level 2 would of course give him greater physicals.
Jirobo when fighting Choji has some statements that are mysteriously missing from the CRT. When Choji gets a chakra boost from his pills Jirobo states that it was massive enough to transform him.
Now here is an interesting bit. Choji focuses all his chakra into his left hand. Yet blocks Jirobo’s Level 2 attack with his right you can still see the chakra in his left this means that just getting a boost to his chakra amount increased his physicals massively even with his chakra focused elsewhere. This should be no different to the boosts in chakra gained by the S4 only that it is much much higher.
Kidomaru, I love that Kidomaru was noted for his accuracy increasing in his Level 2 form which is correct but what I love more is how the manga is ignored when it is straight up stated that his destructive power increased massively as well. Neji went from being able to deflect his attacks completely with his chakra shield with the few that hit him barely piercing skin to barely able to deflect it from piercing right through his shoulder. This is a clear AP increase.
Next Tayuya, it isn’t actually noted that Level to boosts her genjutsu if people bother reading the text although it obviously would based on what Pa has said as well as based on the use of a chakra boost. However it also boosts her strength. She was unable to move against Shikamaru’s basic shadow possession but was breaking out of it in Level 2 with Shikamaru noting her strength. Which is due to her boost in chakra.
Finally Kimimaro the one that truly made me shake my head in disbelief. The amp that Kimimaro gets is so obviously a strength amp its not even funny. In base he gets hit with a sand coffin and cant move. Until he uses Level 1 and his kekkei genkai to barely escape with a ton of injuries and you can see it took some time to power through. Then in Level 2 the same move is used on him and he bursts out immediately. Tell me how that is not a strength increase please. Gaara makes a wall of sand in front of him and he breaks through instantly while calling it a joke. He even tanks Lee’s kick with 0 damage and almost oneshots him through Gaara’s sand defense with a casual tail swipe. So tell me how with all this with Kimimaro he did not get a strength boost and how his Level to CS is somehow not potent.
The power of a person’s chakra is based on their chakra control as well as the amount. If you have a lot of chakra like Naruto but no control (the nine tails being a big reason for that) your chakra boost is negligible. As people get higher in the tiers they tend to be better at chakra control which improves their AP.
“The portion "Although their actual effect and potency are not directly evident" is basically saying that the effects and potency of the "amp" means that the amp isn't noticeable, which should be the case for a 10 TIMES MULTIPLIER.”
This doesn’t matter. Because it contradicts CS2 when CS2 are very blatant power increases especially with the physical changes you see and well the evidence I posted above. That is not to say the text contradicts it I think it is obvious however that they are talking about CS1. Which makes far more sense in that regard.
“A Pain who was matching base Naruto's AP could block and take a kick from SM Naruto with minimal injuries.
A quick 2 Pain combo could hurt Naruto and put him in a full nelson.
An even more tired, weakened, and injured Pain could take a kick from SM Naruto.”
Naruto was not hurt at all. And in fact was just about to break out of the full nelson before the pain started absorbing his senjutsu energy. Pain who was further away from Nagato (reducing his chakra and thus reducing his power all together as shown by the fact that he had to get close to launch a CT) was indeed contending with base Naruto and as even Tempest acknowledges he was getting destroyed in 1v1 combat after Naruto entered sage mode. He literally got smashed away by a single kick I am not sure why we suddenly get the idea that people somewhat scale when they could not block an attack they saw coming in any way
The use of rinnengan sasuke to scale base Naruto. Base Naruto and rinnengan sasuke smashed into each other once. That was it, there is no way someone can possibly use that to say that they scale to each other. Literally immediately after Naruto uses spsm+kcm only the anime extended that fight and it was a clear Sasuke favoured fight.
He uses base Naruto to scale to momoshiki which is fine, but how does that mean anything for SPSM? SPSM did not struggle at all with momoshiki in fact he dealt with him pretty easily.
Delta was not being serious at all against base Naruto she basically has two modes one where she is just playing around then when she gets angry she literally gets a chakra aura just as Naruto goes into his own chakra mode.
Base Naruto taking a hit from jigen is nothing special. Jigen’s base is unknown, Jigen in karma mode was fighting SPSM and of course sasuke. The base Naruto vs isshiki kick is a text book outlier but even if it wasn’t something people seem to forget is that Naruto has rage boosts, simply because he hasn’t gotten properly mad until his son was in trouble. On top of that Isshiki gets a scratch and suddenly base Naruto is comparable?. People getting stomped on is not a feat and anyone should know. I cant believe that Naruto taking knee attacks is being used to rate him to Isshiki.
The most egregious one is that of suigetsu vs Ay. I genuinely cant imagine that people can see that and somehow say that Suigetsu somewhat scales with Ay when his arms literally got destroyed upon taking the attack we literally see it in the same scan he links and I believe that Suigetsu notes the same thing. The fact that this was used feels extremely dishonest.
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