Red Monkey Gokek vs Archie Sanik (the other one)

[Zamasu_Chan]

What you thought I was dumb enough to use pre genesis? 2-A, speed equal, in character.

Goku:

Sonic:

Mr Satan:

 

[TheCrimsonEbonyCrawlingChaos]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q242_2IiMiQ&t=0m11s

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

How dare you?

 

[AwkguyDB]

I can't believe this exist XD

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Two of my favorite characters can now fight with each other.

Never thought this day would come

 

[Roun12]

Sonic still Causailty/Concept haxxes to death. Tragic.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Sonic still Causailty/Concept haxxes to death. Tragic.

he's probably gonna lose his FateHax (Don't know if pre-Genesis or Post-Genesis)

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Post Genesis doesn't have fate hax anyway

 

[AwkguyDB]

Two of my favorite characters can now fight with each other.
Never thought this day would come

"Twas not a matter of if, sips, only when."

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Post Genesis doesn't have fate hax anyway

Causality Manipulation is a Type of Fate Manipulation and Post-Genesis has it.

Xeno Goku has also Fate Manipulation (Probability Manipulation)

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

causality is not passive, pre genesis has passive fate hax

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

How far into 2-A is Sonic?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

How far both of them are into 2-A?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Son is 12-18x baseline in base.

 

[Roun12]

How far into 2-A is Sonic?

2x baseline from being able to rewrite both his and Mega Man's multiverses. Maybe infinte times baseline if you take a generous interpretation of "two infinite multiverses that consist of infinite variations on top of infinite possibilities."

 

[Theuser789]

I think Post-Gen has the same Chaos Emerald scaling then pre-gen, so massively above baseline

Also this Sonic doesn't have fatehax, and his casuality hax came from the SGW, completely unrelated to his fatehax reasons

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Then I think Sonic probably have the AP advantage. If that's true, then I think it's a straightforward enough win for Sonic

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Then I think Sonic probably have the AP advantage.

The other way around actually I think

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Isn't Xeno Goku like 12-18 times baseline or so?

I just know Sonic is much more than that if he scales to Pre-Genesis Super Sonic

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

12-18 times in base form don't know how strong he will be in SSJ4

 

[Everything12]

Any scaling chain or Amp will not cause him to surpass 12-18 Times baseline or whatever it is. And just looking at the Attack Potentcy justification for Post-Archie's 2-A will tell you he faaar surpassess 12-18 times baseline.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Since they don't mention which form Goku starts at, I assume he starts at base. Also considering that being 10 stronger in 2-C, doesn't make you jump from 2 universes to 20, being 10 times stronger in 2-A won't make him 10*baseline infinity

EDIT: Ninja'd

 

[Planck69]

Here here. Whatever AP they have should just be based on the size of their cosmology, same as any other character in Tier 2 considering how multipliers don't work here.

 

[Uniasha]

Here here. Whatever AP they have should just be based on the size of their cosmology, same as any other character in Tier 2 considering how multipliers don't work here.

agreed

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

So Sonic has the AP advantage after all. If so, then Sonic takes this rather easily

 

[Uniasha]

wait till the great sage equal to heave gets upgraded and make both of them fight then sonic would lose

 

[Nitro90]

So Sonic has the AP advantage after all. If so, then Sonic takes this rather easily

So this is a stomp?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I don't know actually

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

So Sonic has the AP advantage after all. If so, then Sonic takes this rather easily

So this is a stomp?

The cosmology of DBX/DBH still needs to be clarified.

,Archie takes this easily in this moment

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

wait till the great sage equal to heave gets upgraded and make both of them fight then sonic would lose

I shall call it two monkeys violating a hedgehog

 

[Uniasha]

wait till the great sage equal to heave gets upgraded and make both of them fight then sonic would lose

I shall call it two monkeys violating a hedgehog

no **** sherlock

 

[Nitro90]

So this is a stomp?
The cosmology of DBX/DBH still needs to be clarified.

,Archie takes this easily in this moment

This is why we should have waited to use them in battles

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I agree with you

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

So this is a stomp?

The cosmology of DBX/DBH still needs to be clarified.
,Archie takes this easily in this moment

This is why we should have waited to use them in battles
The matches will be erased anyways due to the forum move