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RECORDS OF RAGNAROK MINOR REVISION

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So this is a minor revision, first the general verse page should be fixed.

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Record of Ragnarok

For detailed information about this series, visit the Shuumatsu no Valkyrie: Record of Ragnarok Wiki. The Gods have decided: the apocalypse must be brought down upon humanity for their excess hubris and unappealing natures. A unanimous vote is cast in favor of destroying humanity, but the vote...
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Speedwise, Zeus and Adam have shown that Relativistic and FTL speeds are possible, with Ares commenting that any strong God would be able to keep up at the Relativistic pace.
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This will be edited as zeus is no longer rel+, possibly FTL but instead MFTL+ possibly Infinite speed.
That said the decent gods should be upgraded to likely MFTL+ and as all the gods could watch Zeus and Adam fight and Ares consider kojiro dodging poseidon impressive not Adam matching zeus so this should be fine

this is a downgrade for zeus
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Surprised yet again that I wasn't messaged for this. I disagree because FTL is a result of this calc https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Assaltwaffle/Record_of_Ragnarok:_Adam_and_Zeus'_Speed
Basically, gods are only able to perceive the FTL feat yet no one saw anything when Zeus used the Fist That Surpassed Time. Basically, the MFTL+ or Infinite Speed blitzed everyone in the stadium. Adam was the trump card for humanity to which Zeus intervened, indicating that they likely scale above all humans and gods, so it's consistent.
 
RanaProGamer said:
Surprised yet again that I wasn't messaged for this. I disagree because FTL is a result of this calc https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Assaltwaffle/Record_of_Ragnarok:_Adam_and_Zeus'_Speed
Basically, gods are only able to perceive the FTL feat yet no one saw anything when Zeus used the Fist That Surpassed Time. Basically, the MFTL+ or Infinite Speed blitzed everyone in the stadium. Adam was the trump card for humanity to which Zeus intervened, indicating that they likely scale above all humans and gods, so it's consistent.
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Good now that we are on the same page, Zeus speed should be downgraded to FTL and should have massively FTL+ possibly infinite with punch that surpassed time, with only Adam scaling to it in reaction as he is the only one shown to have dodged it, even zeus could not dodge it. The justification for their speed is wrong
Speed: At least Massively FTL+, possibly Infinite (Casually did this. The Fist that Surpassed Time went 1e-20 (0.00000000000000000000 seconds) before we could see the timeframe finish and seemingly surpassed time, enough to blitz Ares, who casually saw the previous attack)
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First the punch was not a casual punch it was an attack and a one time attack.
And zeus reaction has no feat scaling to this just Adam with the eyes of the lord as the eyes allows him to dodge and copy any attack so it is an hax but still it scales to his own reaction and not once did zeus hit Adam and neither was he able to dodge Adam once, so I propose zeus rating be changed to this
Speed: At least FTL, likely , Massively FTL+, possibly Infinite with the punch that surpassed time (Casually did this. The Fist that Surpassed Time went 1e-20 (0.00000000000000000000 seconds) before we could see the timeframe finish and seemingly surpassed time, enough to blitz Ares, who casually saw the previous attack)
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Although the casually in the link will be removed. So what do you think, if scans are needed I will provide them zeus did not hit Adam once until Adam went blind and zeus himself could not dodge the punch either from chronos or Adam. So the only one to scale will be Adam
Speed: At least Massively FTL+, possibly Infinite (Capable of casually dodging attacks from Zeus. His fist surpassed time itself and was able to react and move in a timeframe of already "0.00000000000000000000 seconds" before the rest could be seen. Capable of keeping up with Adamas Zeus whose attacks were described as unavoidable
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Adam will be changed to at least FTL, and he will have at least MFTL+ likely infinite with eyes of God, as it allows him to see, avoid and copy any attack. Then he also get at least mftl+ possibly infinite attack speed with punch that surpassed time.
And adamas zeus is not mftl or infinite speed (as literally everyone in the pavilion could see the fight of dramas zeus) so the justification will be removed.
 
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Hmmm, actually makes sense, the speed of Zeus' base attacks shouldn't scale to the Fist That Surpassed Time since other gods could react to their base attacks. So FTL for base attacks and only Zeus and Adam would get MFTL+ possibly Infinite for Eyes Of The Lord and Fist That Surpassed Time.
 
I agree.
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Can somebody properly explain the arguments here please? I do not understand the reasoning.
 
Antvasima said:
Can somebody properly explain the arguments here please? I do not understand the reasoning.
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From what I understand Zeus should be nerfed and the justification text should be changed. His "fist that surpasses time" is a special move so it shouldn't apply to his regular combat speed, which should instead come from the divine axe calc, so only FTL. His profile also mentions that he can casually do it when it's actually a serious combo
Zeus speed should be changed to:
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Speed: At least FTL, at least Massively FTL+, possibly Infinite with the punch that surpassed time (did this. The Fist that Surpassed Time went 1e-20 (0.00000000000000000000 seconds) before we could see the timeframe finish and seemingly surpassed time, enough to blitz Ares, who casually saw the previous attack)
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Adam speed should also get the same treatment according to him since he could only dodge and copy the fist that surpassed time thanks to his eyes. It would look like that:
Speed: At least FTL, At least Massively FTL+, possibly Infinite with eyes of the lord (Capable of casually dodging attacks from Zeus. His fist surpassed time itself and was able to react and move in a timeframe of already "0.00000000000000000000 seconds" before the rest could be seen. Capable of keeping up with Adamas Zeus whose attacks were described as unavoidable)
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btw I agree on the zeus part but adam should probably get unknown instead of at least FTL, since reacting to Zeus was also an effect of his eyes
 
Sorry Rana. I saw that you have already replied.
 
I suppose that we have to wait for the people that I sent a notification to.
 
I think that at this point the fist who surpassed time having imfinite speed is pretty blatantly, homever it should scale only to itself and to adam perception speed with the eyes of the lord in max capacity(since they hit their limit and logically lose efficiency over the course of the fight
 
My proposal:
All the gods and humams fighting on ragnarok get FTL speed, adam and zeus get infinite speed with the fist that surpassed time, and adam got infinite perception speed with the eyes of the lord in peak condition
 
Why would you suggest FTL speed for all humans? I am a few chapters behind myself, but last I checked, the Gods don't all scale to one another?
 
Confluctor said:
Why would you suggest FTL speed for all humans? I am a few chapters behind myself, but last I checked, the Gods don't all scale to one another?
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even basic gods can somewhat perceive zeus move, so it was assumed fighters could reach FTL speeds, then humans scale from them
 
All the gods and humans FIGHTING IN RAGNAROK, and yeah i think all of the fighters should scale somewhat even ares the resident fodder god can perceive zeus ftl attack
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Why would you suggest FTL speed for all humans? I am a few chapters behind myself, but last I checked, the Gods don't all scale to one another
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Perceiving something like that shouldn't mean they can also move at FTL speeds...

The logic doesn't make sense to me personally tbh.
 
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Perceiving something like that shouldn't mean they can also move at FTL speeds...

The logic doesn't make sense to me personally tbh.
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All the fighters betwenn gods and humans should still be comparable there was never really am implication of the fighterd being massively above one another except by adamas zeus and full power adam, the gods are all the top of their phanteom and it is implied that poseidon is comparable to non adamas zeus as an example
 
I still think the fist who surpassed time should have infinite speed, that was clearly the intent behind the attack that is why the panels became all black( tipical manga representation of stopped time) and also why we did not see the end of the zero digits( long story short there isn't a end)
 
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I just do not think the possible part is needed
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It is needed cause we are not sure how long it took, all we saw was a lot of zero and there are two ways to go about this either their is a "1" at the end of those zeros or there is none.
So the rating would be at least mftl+(to cover the part if there is a "1" at the end) and possibly infinite (to cover the part if their is no "1" but infinite zeros)
 
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