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Record of Ragnarok Revision

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I mean it was previously mentioned that Bleach got soul manip for being able to effect souls inside vesels. But these same souls can turn into hollows that bleed and all while still keeping things like invisibility and so.
 
SomebodyData said:
Oh sorry, I thought you were also refering the Gods as souls and the humans to have soul manip.
They are technically interacting with souls, no one is denying that. Of course, no one denies soul gems are souls or the other examples either. It's possible to touch something when its physical, without having the ability to manipulate them.

The souls bleeding, having their bones broken, turning into dust, etc isn't evidence proposing that they're sufficiently physical?
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Oh nah lol, sorry if I didn't convey that properly. I would point out that humans are able to interact with other souls tho, so they would get it by the same logic.

Aren't soul gems a physical casing of the soul?

A spiritual being having the properties of their normal body (meaning, organs etc.), does not disqualify them form being spiritual, at least not in my view
 
When? I don't remember them interacting with anyone outside the Gods.

Nah, the soul gems are the actual souls.

I mean, the issue isn't that they're spirtual or not, its whether you need to have soul manipulation to interact with it. And said blood / organs do interact with the surroundings (like blood staining the floor).
 
We already speculated that the only reason why the clock injured Herc is because the whole arena is made by the gods. Otherwise it's inconsistend with statements. And they will interact in some way if they are not intangible, it's unavoidable.

What matters is if regular things are able to injure them.
 
@100Megaton ... So you guys are arguing for humans gaining soul manip for interacting with the gods. And also proving you don't need soul manip to interact, as "its unavoidable", according to what you said.

I was also referring to the arm contacting with the floor, but I'll remove that since the blood staining the floor is occurs with all the characters.
 
Ok just s thought how about putting this whole soul manipulation thing off until we learn more about how heaven operates? Also gods are born biologically we saw Poesidon as a baby after all.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Also, shouldn't zeus not be Low 2-C in his base form? He probably only beat Chronos when he was at his full power. Also, Adamas was a thread to Zeus, and Poseidon killed him. Perhaps Kojiro should be Low 2-C with his weapon?
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Agreed. Zeus is only that powerful in his peak power.

His weakest form is still vastly stronger than Ares and Hercules tho.
 
We also saw Kojiro age as a soul. But it seems this really needs to wait because lack of info.

Also if you've read greek mythology there are some very funky ways shall I say in which gods get born.
 
That's Fusionism, though do you mind bringing a scan for the body and soul part? Bodies being involved just probably ends this discussion immediately.
 
what are the justification of zeus being capable of erasing souls and the fact that if they die, it is like destroying the soul since they cannot reincarnate, while if they die normally they can reincarnate?
 
Sorry I have no idea how to copy and paste on this site but if you look at the end of chapter 8 you will get the info your looking for. Volond involves matching "wavelengths" which I'm going to assume means the wavelength as a soul and that the valkerie and human fuse in both body and soul which is why the daughter of the gods said "we are now one" even more info was revealed in chapter 14 it's where they Valkerie and warrior intrust everything to each other it would explain why the Valkerie perish with the warriors. I think this counts as fusionisin rather than soul manipulation my bad.
 
Feel like limited fusionism is fine. Only limited as it seems they can only so it with the valks and not other creatures. For now at least
 
Sorry my bad honestly I should have brought that up a lot earlier so about adding Chi manipulation to Li Bu's profile what do you think? The reason I'm bringing this up is because I reread chapter 6 of this series and when Lu Bu was creating sky eater he was thinking "take a stance and let the power flow" and then some sort of aura appeared around him and in thinking that's aura or Chi.
 
Also for Zeus I'm still really against him being 2-C being older than the universe does not automatically make someone 2-C and honestly I think we should scale his base form to Heracles and his muscular form to Thor the strongest Norse god and Unkown with Adams form. For weaknesses it should be noted that being injured severely reduces his Adamas form and that it has a time limit of 12-13 minutes he might not even be capable of it anymore after the match. The statement of him being able to wipe out heaven is really iffy.
 
You'd have to explain why the statement itself is iffy, also why would Zeus's strongest form be rated at unknown? That doesn't make very much sense, like at all. I think something along the lines of "At Least 5-B in base, far higher in Adamas."
 
In Zeus fight against his father in his muscular form or at the very least adolescent body the battle took place on a moon and from the image we got the area where they battled wasn't too damaged so either that fight ended really quickly which I doubt since it looked like Zeus took quite the beating meaning they weren't even powerful enough to destroy the moon that's a lot lower than 2-C and I honestly doubt Kronos would go down without going all out with his powers and he's supposed to be ridiculously powerful amongst gods. We haven't exactly seen him pull anything near universal level either and using a statement where we're not sure wether or not is true about him being able to destroy heaven. We're not even sure how big heaven is for all we know it's as big as a planet so until we find out how big heaven is and wether or not Zeus can actually pull a feat like that off I think we should put his profile on hold along with Adam. I'm saying his strongest form is unknown because we're not sure how powerful it is like does it vastly enhance his super natural powers or just his durability and physical capabilities? Also keep on Kind Zeus didn't even have his divine weapon during this match so he wasn't actually going all out he could have a whole arsenal of moves with it that we haven't even seen.
 
In the Adam backstory, the Serpent/Snake god was going to turn Adam into dust, and we know that to do that the soul must be destroyed. This also took place well before ragnarok, even before Adam went down to Earth with Eve. So it does appear that the gods can destroy the souls of beings outside the events of ragnarok.

Althought, this doesn't say anything about the previous arguement of them being souls or not. Differnet arguement, this just means it isn't limited to ragnarok.
 
I think he was just talking about killing Adam the gods somehow created humans from something or nothing(not really sure) and not actually destroying this soul back than Adam was still alive and was not technically a soul they were living amongst the gods.
 
I think we should not make others profile untile we have futher information, zeus said the big bang was a thrill or something like that and he wasn't lying
 
He witnessed it but that doesn't mean he survived a blast of that magnitude for all we know he was watching it from heaven safe from the blast that doesn't mean he ranked by/survived a blow of that magnitude. I think it's fine to make Heracles and Jack's profiles along with Thor and Lu Bu but we should hold off on Zeus and Adam their profiles probably need to be remade from scratch.
 
BakiHanma18 said:
Based on the new chapter, Jack should 100% have soul manip, that's all I know
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Yeah, I can't remember who said it, but they should have soul mapiulation for fusing with the Valks, makes sense and now we have Jack saying they're fusing souls
 
SO just a thought what if that's her instinct telling her danger is approaching? If that is the case does that still count as a dead manipulation/aura?
 
Who do you guys think will win this match? At first I thought Jack would sweep the floor with Heracles but after chapter 27 I'm not sure I want Jack to win though since I'm not really a big fan of someone as naive as Hercules who threw away his sense of justice. Just a thought but what if Heracles finds out his sister was dragged here against her will and Jack takes advantage of that since Heracles most likely wouldn't be able to kill a innocent girl despite how twisted Heracles has become I don't think he'd cross that line.
 
HajimexYue forever said:
SO just a thought what if that's her instinct telling her danger is approaching? If that is the case does that still count as a dead manipulation/aura?
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I believe so...
 
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