Real Life Big Animals CRT

[DarlingAurora]

For the Alligator Snapping Turtle I don't think that they can be Athletic level in durability, since the normal snapping turtles are overpowered and killed by a River Otter, who is Average Human level. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the AST are stronger than the common ST, but they aren't that much durable so probably their durability is just Below Average Human level+ since some of these are big too (up to 80.8 cm). For they carcaas is fine the Athletic Human level since some turtles can withstand the pressure of a Alligator bite up to 15 minutes, one can argue that this is even higher too. And for their bite I did a calc here too, but I'm going to wait before to talk about this.

EDIT: It yields Below Average Human level+ too.

 

[Antvasima]

That seems to make sense to me.

 

[DarlingAurora]

The Cassowary Street level doesn't make sense too, because we only scale they rating with their Kinetic Energy. We can scale they to just Below Average Human level+ because they defend against dingoes, domestic dogs and can overpower humans through the species only killed a 16 year-old boy with two kicks (one on the neck) and a 75 years old man, so I don't think that they are Average Human level.

Nvm, I find some things..

• The inner or second of the three toes is fitted with a long, straight, murderous nail which can sever an arm or eviscerate an abdomen with ease. There are many records of natives being killed by this bird.
• Cassowary strikes to the abdomen are among the rarest of all, but in one case, a dog was kicked in the belly in 1995. The blow left no puncture, but severe bruising occurred. The dog later died from an apparent intestinal rupture.
• Cassowaries are among the largest birds on the planet. The southern cassowary is the largest, reaching 5.8 feet (170 centimeters) in height. Males weigh up to 121 pounds (55 kilograms) and females reach about 167 pounds (76 kilograms).
• The anatomy that makes them so dangerous lies lower down. Muscular legs that can pack a powerful kick terminate with three claw-tipped toes. The claw on the inner toe is particularly formidable, reaching lengths of 12 cm (5 in)! If a cassowary feels threatened, it will leap up and strike out with these dagger-like weapons, inflicting potentially lethal wounds to internal organs and causing severe bleeding.

I'm thinking that the Cassowary is more like Athletic Human level, they are heavy and bigger and can easily damage humans and dogs too.

 

[DarlingAurora]

I find some interesting sources for wolfs bite.

Based on necropsy results and wolf sign at the otter carcass, we are confident that wolves killed the otter. Wolves are likely the only predator during winter in Voyageurs National Park that possess the bite strength necessary to crush an otter skull.

I did some calc of that here.

 

[Antvasima]

So do you think that the recent suggestions can be applied, @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan and @KLOL506 ?

 

[DarlingAurora]

Well, what are the opinions in Cassowary tiering?

I think that they can be Athlete level too, through idk.



Also as I say before, I think that the Ostrich fits more for Athlete level than Street level, I don't find many justifications for they that can be Street level..

In the Moa profile, the only justification for their rating is the Kinetic Energy.. so I don't think that these are valid reasons..

 

[Antvasima]

So do you think that the recent suggestions can be applied, @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan and @KLOL506 ?

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @KLOL506

 

[Scourge_8]

Yo why tf does the cat have superhuman physical characteristics??

 

[Scourge_8]

Also I calculated the ke of a cat and it’s below 400 joules even for a large cat so I don’t see why their ke are 9-C

 

[Scourge_8]

Also I calculated the ke of a cat and it’s below 400 joules even for a large cat so I don’t see why their ke are 9-C

Oh no never mind that I’m just dumb

 

[Antvasima]

So do you think that the recent suggestions can be applied, @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan and @KLOL506 ?

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @KLOL506 @Jasonsith

Would any of you be willing to help out here please?

 

[KLOL506]

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @KLOL506 @Jasonsith

Would any of you be willing to help out here please?

So what exactly do we need to help out with here?

 

[KLOL506]

So do you think that the recent suggestions can be applied, @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan and @KLOL506 ?

Which suggestions specifically?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I was mainly referring to the ones from the following post and downwards, but if there are any others that have not been properly evaluated yet, help with that would also be appreciated.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/real-life-big-animals-crt.131831/post-5022721

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Oh no never mind that I’m just dumb

It had 9-C KE, SPC's requirements are at least having a statistical advantage over the average person's physical characteristics.

 

[Jasonsith]

So... Do we measure large animals attack potency now by how they attack as if how a normal human throws one punch or stomp with one leg or a bite?

So one reasonable thing to do is to determine how each animal attack and use the appropriate stomping or biting or tackling KE right?

Or you have already move past that point? Sorry but please update out status, thanks

 

[H3110l12345I20]

So... Do we measure large animals attack potency now by how they attack as if how a normal human throws one punch or stomp with one leg or a bite?

So one reasonable thing to do is to determine how each animal attack and use the appropriate stomping or biting or tackling KE right?

Or you have already move past that point? Sorry but please update out status, thanks

I mean, if you ask me, common sense prevails & how the animal usually attacks are the tier defining things.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Bites are mostly separate though due to their weak AP but high pressure

 

[Antvasima]

Here is a blog with the referenced bite forces of various animals:

✦ The Real World — Even more calcs!!

vsbattles.fandom.com

Would somebody here be willing to apply it please?

 

[DarlingAurora]

I need a little help
does someone know if this works for getting the bite force of animals?, if someone knows that would help a lot -w-

 

[Scourge_8]

This needs a rework

 

[Scourge_8]

It had 9-C KE, SPC's requirements are at least having a statistical advantage over the average person's physical characteristics.

What? In that case why is he the only one with 10-C ap 9-C ke to have this capacity… and street level ke is nothing above average human, anyone who can run can have 9-C ke

 

[H3110l12345I20]

What? In that case why is he the only one with 10-C ap 9-C ke to have this capacity… and street level ke is nothing above average human, anyone who can run can have 9-C ke

Regular human kicks are up to 9-C too. If you ask me, the cat should have superhuman speed at least instead.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I need a little help
does someone know if this works for getting the bite force of animals?, if someone knows that would help a lot -w-

Useful only if you have the BFQ or bite force, the thing is good for quantifying bites. Seems redundantish since we already have bites in N & psi.

 

[DarlingAurora]

Useful only if you have the BFQ or bite force, the thing is good for quantifying bites. Seems redundantish since we already have bites in N & psi.

I mean, I think that I can get some bite force in newtons for animals that I don't find their source, like African Wild Dog or Cheetah

 

[Scourge_8]

Regular human kicks are up to 9-C too. If you ask me, the cat should have superhuman speed at least instead.

Yeah I agree, who had the idea of putting superhuman physical characteristics lol can I change it?

 

[Antvasima]

I also agree. The edits need to be competently applied though.

 

[Scourge_8]

This needs a rework

Done for the cat thing, what about this page? I think it should be at least below average human level, human level+ ke

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Done for the cat thing, what about this page? I think it should be at least below average human level, human level+ ke

10-C is fine. Superhuman speed is a maybe, humans can run 15 mph at most & SPC requires a stat advantage over the average human’s physical characteristics.

 

[Antvasima]

@KLOL506 @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @Jasonsith

Would you be willing to help out here please?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Spoiler: Additional comments about the lizard

10-C is fine. Superhuman speed is a maybe, humans can run 15 mph at most & SPC requires a stat advantage over the average human’s physical characteristics.

The best thing I found about the lizard is that it uses it's speed to escape thing & can strike with it tail if cornered. It eats small (parts of) plants & insect.

 

[DarlingAurora]

We really need a Red Fox profile, that's would be too interesing.

I'm doing a little-large list of various bite forces of animals -w-

 

[DarlingAurora]

I just finished it

 

[Propellus]

I just finished it

Damn, that's a lot of calcs in one blog

 

[Jasonsith]

I just finished it

Very thanks.

Questions:
1. Do you have their jaw movement distance so that we can have their attack potency measured in joules instead of newtons? (Still very useful When it comes to piercing prowess)
2. Since they are bite forces, should such be regarded as striking strength and not lifting strength?

 

[DarlingAurora]

Very thanks.

Questions:
1. Do you have their jaw movement distance so that we can have their attack potency measured in joules instead of newtons? (Still very useful When it comes to piercing prowess)

Well, I made the references to calc some of the energy via the displacement.
But I can use the jaw movement distance?, I thought that it was just the displacement when an animal bites through something

2. Since they are bite forces, should such be regarded as striking strength and not lifting strength?

Yeah.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Since bite force is discussed again, it was brought up earlier that it would probably be more scientifically accurate to say that the animals "can harm stronger opponents via piercing damage/pressure" rather than "higher due to piercing damage". Although it'll take time to implement that on all their profiles.

In rare scenarios where the AP of the animal from the bite force is stronger than their other attacks it can probably be listed as an AP rating.

 

[Antvasima]

Since bite force is discussed again, it was brought up earlier that it would probably be more scientifically accurate to say that the animals "can harm stronger opponents via piercing damage/pressure" rather than "higher due to piercing damage". Although it'll take time to implement that on all their profiles.

In rare scenarios where the AP of the animal from the bite force is stronger than their other attacks it can probably be listed as an AP rating.

I think that seems like good ideas.

Thank you to Shizuka and others here for helping out.

 

[DarlingAurora]

also, isn't the Orangutan "7 times stronger than human" more Peak Human than Class 1?

 

[Jasonsith]

I remember...



"Bears his size can break trees and flip over boulders weighing more than 350 pounds." - for ordinary brown bears and black bears.

Since we also have tree cutting AP yield as a common feat, we have lifting strength and attack potency for bears.