Real Life Big Animals CRT

[H3110l12345I20]

Ummm... guys, I think I found the Ostrich's kick psi, it's 2000 psi & they can one-shot lions (Ar). So their kicks are comparable to a giraffe's kick but due to smaller size & the predators they usually encounter, they're staying at 9-C or 9-C+. They do use their KE to knock a person onto the ground (Ar) but ostriches are heavier & taller than humans usually. (Kick feat (Ar))

 

[DarlingAurora]

Ummm... guys, I think I found the Ostrich's kick psi, it's 2000 psi & they can one-shot lions (Ar). So their kicks are comparable to a giraffe's kick but due to smaller size & the predators they usually encounter, they're staying at 9-C or 9-C+. They do use their KE to knock a person onto the ground (Ar) but ostriches are heavier & taller than humans usually. (Kick feat (Ar))

I feel like the 9-C+ is too much. If they can kill a Lion with a kick it wouldn't be that easy. Also, they are mauled by leopards and cheetahs too, so I doubt that they are too durable.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

The area of contact in an ostrich kick is far smaller than that of a giraffe I'd imagine.

 

[Antvasima]

So are there any accepted changes here that can be applied currently?

 

[DarlingAurora]

pac

 

[Antvasima]

So is it fine if the following bite forces are added to the respective relevant animal pages, preferably with the source links added as references?

✦ The Real World — Reference for Bite Force

vsbattles.fandom.com

Also, I made a staff-approved addition to our intelligence classifications page that affects our future work here in this thread.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Intelligence?type=revision&diff=7683051&oldid=7674194

 

[DarlingAurora]

So is it fine if the following bite forces are added to the respective relevant animal pages, preferably with the source links added as references?

idk -w-, I put the source of the study in the text but I can add references if you want

 

[Antvasima]

I meant adding it in roughly the following manner.

"Tigers can have a bite force of up to at least 1472.1 Newtons.<ref>[https://www.academia.edu/239888/Bit...ons_to_feeding_ecology_in_carnivores_Ecology_ Stephen Wroe: Bite forces and evolutionary adaptations to feeding ecology in carnivores (Ecology)]<ref/>"

 

[DarlingAurora]

I meant adding it in roughly the following manner.

"Tigers can have a bite force of up to at least 1472.1 Newtons.<ref>[https://www.academia.edu/239888/Bit...ons_to_feeding_ecology_in_carnivores_Ecology_ Stephen Wroe: Bite forces and evolutionary adaptations to feeding ecology in carnivores (Ecology)]<ref/>"

I can do it.. but after school :3

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem at all. Thank you for helping out.

 

[DarlingAurora]

Okay. No problem at all. Thank you for helping out.

Done!

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you very much for the help. It is very appreciated.

Btw: Were you or H3110l12345I20 the one who created the biting strength blog post? If so, you should preferably get almost identical wiki and forum usernames. If you prefer to keep your forum username, you can update your wiki username to something identical or very similar (such as Shizuka12345, for example), after which I change your forum username accordingly.

 

[DarlingAurora]

Thank you very much for the help. It is very appreciated.

Btw: Were you or H3110l12345I20 the one who created the biting strength blog post? If so, you should preferably get almost identical wiki and forum usernames. If you prefer to keep your forum username, you can update your wiki username to something identical or very similar (such as Shizuka12345, for example), after which I change your forum username accordingly.

Yeah, it's me.
I changed it to DarlingAurora, I prefer that name for here -w-

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. I will rename your account to that then.

Edit: I have done so.

 

[DarlingAurora]

Thank you. I will rename your account to that then.

Edit: I have done so.

thanks :3

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

 

[DarlingAurora]

First, hi.
Second, I did a calc of the Spotted Hyena bone-crushing, which ranges between 10-A+ and 9-C.
And third, I didn't put this on calc evaluations since I want to add more things.. -w-

 

[Antvasima]

You should preferably always ask for evaluations for important calculations though.

 

[DarlingAurora]

You should preferably always ask for evaluations for important calculations though.

I didn't finished the blog still, I want to add more things, at least two more calcs c:

 

[DarlingAurora]

Also.. why a female cougar is 9-C?, just killing humans isn't enough..

Through, due to their size I think that they can be 10-A+, at the very least..

 

[Antvasima]

I didn't finished the blog still, I want to add more things, at least two more calcs c:

Okay. No problem.

 

[DarlingAurora]

I'm going to make a argument for Athletic level+ Big Wolves (Northwestern).

They are much bigger than common species of gray wolves.

• Northwestern wolves are one of the largest subspecies of wolves. In British Columbia, Canada, five adult females averaged 42.5 kg or 93.6 lbs with a range of 85 lbs to 100 lbs (38.6 - 45.4 kg) and ten adult males averaged 112.2 lbs or 51.7 kg with a range of 105 lbs to 135 lbs (47.6 - 61.2 kg), with a weight range for all adults of 38.6 kg to 61.2 kg (85 - 135 lbs). In Yellowstone National Park, adult females were average about 40 kg (90 lbs) and adult males average about 50 kg (110 lbs), with a mean adult body mass in winter of 46.4 kg (102 lb). More recent studies have reported the average range of height and weight in the north-west of the United States, both sexes were between 68 and 91.5 cm (26.8 and 36.0 in) tall at the shoulder. Here the weight of males was reported at between 45 and 72 kg (99 and 159 lb), while the females were reported at 36 to 60 kg (79 to 132 lb). The Northwestern wolf is also one of the longest wolf subspecies as his length usually ranges from 5 to 6 ft, and it can also reach as long as 7 ft (213 cm).

While other species of gray wolfs, on average, European wolves weigh 38.5 kg (85 lb), North American wolves 36 kg (79 lb), and Indian and Arabian wolves 25 kg (55 lb). Larger species of wolves are capable of killing young adults cougars I think.. (I'm going to search the source but I have this scan)

Also, in their profile says this:

• Although it varies, a normal wolf's bite force is usually 400 PSI but can go up to over 1000 PSI in large wolves, and can potentially reach 1500 psi. Usually able to easily kill large livestock and large dogs, and have been able to kill young elk by themselves. Able to easily break bone, dent metal, and crush skulls

That difference is more than the double on the bite force, so I think that the large species are much stronger.. so I suggest something like the old wolf page, but changing the Street level+ to Athletic level+.

 

[Antvasima]

Is there a calculation as a basis for the + sign?

 

[Antvasima]

Also, what are all of the revisions that currently need to be applied here, and is somebody willing to handle it please?

 

[DarlingAurora]

Is there a calculation as a basis for the + sign?

I thought that we can put in that + due to the size & bite force difference with the average wolves (they are already 10-A), also due to large wolves killing young-adults cougar btw.

Also, I did a calc that put the large wolves bite force in the 178.81553 Joules range (I already put this on the evaluations thread), and is pretty close to the + sign which is 200 joules, so idk.

Through, I can calc the maximum gap for the wolf jaw, but I'm going to take some time for that.

 

[Antvasima]

We only scale attack potency from energy output, not bite force pressure as far as I am aware, and we need specific calculated energy values in order to use + signs.

See here:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Potency#"+"_symbol

 

[DarlingAurora]

We only scale attack potency from energy output, not bite force pressure as far as I am aware, and we need specific calculated energy values in order to use + signs.

See here:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_Potency#"+"_symbol

Wait, we don't scale some of the animals tiers due to their weight and size too (check anomalocaris)? Or due to some impressive feats?

There a difference of like 11.5 Kg with European Wolves and Northwestern Wolves, I think that's enough to mark some difference but idk..

 

[Antvasima]

@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @KLOL506

What do you think about this?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Wait, we don't scale some of the animals tiers due to their weight and size too (check anomalocaris)? Or due to some impressive feats?

There a difference of like 11.5 Kg with European Wolves and Northwestern Wolves, I think that's enough to mark some difference but idk..

I think what Ant means is that you don't really just slap a plus sign on tiers for scaling (unless the character scaled to is really close to the boundary) without a calc.

 

[DarlingAurora]

I think what Ant means is that you don't really just slap a plus sign on tiers for scaling (unless the character scaled to is really close to the boundary) without a calc.

Yeah, but large wolves still are much bigger and heavy than the other species of gray wolf, they hunts much bigger animals, and can kill 4 years old cougars, this can work more than justification too.

Also, these many-feets jumps are from large wolves too (something that was in discussion before and yield like 9-C). The bite-energy of northwestern wolves are close to the 200 joules yield too.

 

[Antvasima]

I think what Ant means is that you don't really just slap a plus sign on tiers for scaling (unless the character scaled to is really close to the boundary) without a calc.

That is correct, yes.

Yeah, but large wolves still are much bigger and heavy than the other species of gray wolf, they hunts much bigger animals, and can kill 4 years old cougars, this can work more than justification too.

Also, these many-feets jumps are from large wolves too (something that was in discussion before and yield like 9-C). The bite-energy of northwestern wolves are close to the 200 joules yield too.

Well, if there is a good calculated basis for large wolves being above 200 Joules in regular single attacks, Athlete level+ is probably fine.

 

[DarlingAurora]

That is correct, yes.

Well, if there is a good calculated basis for large wolves being above 200 Joules in regular single attacks, Athlete level+ is probably fine.

Well, the size and weight difference doesn't matter tho? As I say, 11.5 Kg is a good difference too

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but what is the energy value that you use as a base before multiplying it?

 

[DarlingAurora]

Yes, but what is the energy value that you use as a base before multiplying it?

Well, the current wolf profile is 10-A with the justification that they are bigger than most of canines, they are heavy and has a good bite force, also due to their hunts. Through, the current wolf profile doesn't have any justification for their energy value.

My argument is the difference in size of the Eurasian Gray Wolf and the Northwestern Gray Wolf, which is big.

Also, as I say before I think that the Female Cougar are also Athlete level+ since they are smaller than males, and avoid fights with Wolf.. literally some Gray Wolfs can kill young-adults female cougars too.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I suppose that seems to make sense, but calculations are always preferable.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, how are the tiering revision for our animal profile pages as a whole coming along?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Big animals are pretty much done barring minor changes, but someone brought up a bunch of small animals that had inflated stats earlier that hasn't really been dealt with.

 

[DarlingAurora]

I redid the Alligator Snapping Turtle calc, since I did a mistake with the maximum gap and the area of force.

I'm going to put this in the evaluations thread..
Edit: Just did it, through I just edited it since I need to wait to 22/9 to bump my post. (30 days since I post it)

 

[Jasonsith]

Well, the current wolf profile is 10-A with the justification that they are bigger than most of canines, they are heavy and has a good bite force, also due to their hunts. Through, the current wolf profile doesn't have any justification for their energy value.

My argument is the difference in size of the Eurasian Gray Wolf and the Northwestern Gray Wolf, which is big.

Also, as I say before I think that the Female Cougar are also Athlete level+ since they are smaller than males, and avoid fights with Wolf.. literally some Gray Wolfs can kill young-adults female cougars too.

Do we have CRTs for all wolves and cougars involving weights too?

Because some wolves totally grow human size from the picture provided.

 

[Antvasima]

Big animals are pretty much done barring minor changes, but someone brought up a bunch of small animals that had inflated stats earlier that hasn't really been dealt with.

Thank you for the information.

I would greatly appreciate help with cleaning up the remaining real world animal pages then.