I feel like there’s a strange disconnect here.
I don’t think anyone’s saying we should let NLF’s hop into the ability—In fact, the Supporters clarify this isn’t the case several times, and even point out that “legwork” will be needed by putting the correct justifications, assigning the ability, etc. Due to this, it’s ALSO still a case by case basis. Nor are they suggesting there’s no reasonable limit.
The objective is simply to make the ability actually DO what it CLAIMS to DO.
Because, (though I am a mere nobody), as far as I’m concerned, they’re right on this case. For a while now, RE hasn’t been RE. The whole point is gaining NEW THINGS to combat what you HAVEN’T SEEN before.
As in, within the context of their story, a character who has never came into contact with Soul Manip gains the ability to resist and counter it over time.
Within the current standards, the Wiki essentially has made RE meaningless. You can’t evolve to things you have not experienced, and I’d say limiting it to “similar things” is equally arbitrary when characters who have extensive feats often have no guideline.
Doomsday doesn’t specifically evolve to mind powers—He evolves to literally anything. If your name is Darkseid and you fire literal conceptual Death itself at the monster, (which he has done before) he’LL just get back up latter, “immune.” If you dump him in acid, he will get up immune to that. Same with tech powers, Soul powers, etc.
This means that, relatively speaking, you cannot say “only similar powers” for Doomsday, because he literally evolves to “everything.” It can be intangible, physical, and even metaphysical (though it stays mostly in the land of corporal). There is no “commonality.” No “structure.” He’s even evolved to gain powers to target others, like Martian Manhunter. This means the very standards of the Wiki unfairly—Not just limit—But destroy his very purpose as a being and threat, more than his litany of writers ever could have.
However, in that same breathe, while I can freely recognize that Doomsday could easily evolve to virtually any power, I can also freely say that something like plot manipulation is beyond his grasp. Those aren’t contradictory arguments or statements. They’re just observations of his given capabilities.
By that same token, the Types apply that same logic. Obviously, someone who evolves to Soul Manipulation isn’t necessarily able to evolve to Mind Manipulation. The Types are, at least to me, meant to be a relative/soft guideline so the ability can stop being redundant.
Also, a quick rewind: The Layer argument was completely ignored and I want to bring it up.
As RE stands now, not only can you not gain new resistances, or abilities in a VS, but layers too are also NLF territory too and also not freely observed from my experience. And as pointed out, if we did, how far would we allow them to generate layers? One layer? Two? Three? I can’t imagine that many ever being accepted, if any at all.
If the ability cannot account for layers due to the fear of it getting out of control—When the simple answer is to just judge it with both Case by Case and the Guideline logics at once—Then the ability literally can do nothing.
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