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Re Zero Revisions

Imo supersonic attack speed for Rem while using magic would probably be alright, because if she makes several smaller ice shards, each one would be traveling faster. Given her feat in the battle, she can make like eight 4-ton ice shards almost simultaneously that together add up to Building level AP, but each shard has supersonic speeds that compensate for their smaller mass (and we never see Rem tiring out due to producing this amount of ice + throwing her mace to pull Subaru to her, so this is probably the typical efficiency for Al Human). Also we need to note that she's firing at an upward angle, so the velocity could be affected by 3~5% or so every second it takes the ice to reach Hakugei, depending on the angle.

Upward angle is a flat deceleration while downward angle is a flat acceleration. We would be calcing not only to eliminate how much the velocity had slowed for a flat trajectory scenario, but also how much it would speed up at corresponding downward angles. Rem can jump really high up by herself (angsizing Hakugei's size shows he's always at least hundreds of meters up in the sky), so casting Al Human for a few sec while she's falling down is well within her realm of possibility. Just my opinion given her feats in the Hakugei battle.
 
Nice, btw do you think we could possibly scale puck's speed to elsa's. I mean puck is superior to her.
 
Base Puck that fought Elsa and True Form Puck that killed Subaru have different power levels. Elsa should be scaled to tanking Reinhard's attack in the warehouse.

However Base Puck is also minimum of Wall to Room level.

Emilia after Puck has been unsummoned is also implied Building level (kill everyone in the warehouse as the last person standing). She also creates ice spikes that are much larger than Rem's (three-digit tonnage weight class) and also does it much faster, who as you know is a Building level ice mage.

Emilia does all this even after separating from Puck. ("Magic User: Following the trials, Emilia remembered that she could use magic without Pack, and becomes able to use it again.")

On the other hand, I think True Form Puck's AP can be scaled to Reinhard's AP and Durability at his base form (for being able to kill True Form Puck many times in multiple Bad Ends that Emilia died, and for tanking Puck's attacks many times point-blank during their fights in those loops).
 
I know they have different power levels i was more so referring to his true form but his base form was keeping up with elsa so shouldn't his base form scale from elsa's speed as well?

Agreed on reinhard scaling from true form puck.
 
Ah ok. let's discuss that after I finish calcing Elsa.

I got around Mach 1 for her first dash at Reinhard, or Transonic, or Supersonic in subsequent dashes, which admittedly I cannot get an accurate calculation for because she's too blurry.

How must I use these images? Ceiling height x 2? (I found another way to scale the ceiling to Subaru's height when his back is [nearly] pressed against the wall)

Elsa at the upper left corner of the screen/ceiling

Elsa hits Reinhard and moves back to the ceiling at the upper right corner (20 milliseconds)

And Reinhard's Durability tier is 1 division higher than Puck's AP (if Puck is 7-C, who can easily harm people with Town-level durability, Reinhard is 7-B Durability for being able to remain unhurt).
 
No idea about how you would go about the elsa calc.

As for reinhard's durability, being a tier above puck's ap for being unharmed by his attacks is not how it works.

Simply remaining unharmed or being stronger than someone doesn't put you a tier above them. It depends on what the calc for puck's ap comes out to be if it's like almost 7-B then reinhard would be 7-B however if it's not reinhard would still be 7-C.

Look at our ap chart, the high to low end ratio for town level is 17.5x in other words you have to be that many times stronger than a regular town level character to move up to the next tier.

Actually just checked we actually have high 7-C so reinhard still wouldn't be 7-B anyway and there is also low 7-B so yea reinhard isn't getting to 7-B.
 
Don't remember what arc it was stated but if i had to guess it would either be arc 4 or 6, leaning more towards it being arc 6 cause satella only showed up like twice in arc 4 and from the translations i have seen nothing was mentioned about her unseen hands.

Either way though i don't buy puck's statement about needing a 1000 hands in order to defeat him, he doesn't have the feats to back up that he could even take one of them. It seems like an hyperbole to me.
 
If each hand from satella can Crush a city and you need 1000 of them to beat Puck then lol honsetly this is the same thing as saying Ram is superior to puck and roswaal when she was child even though she was taken out by fodder

i always thought tappei was referring to her potential begin equal or stronger than one of four great spirit or the strongest magician luginca who is hundred of years old
 
Puck doesn't have any feat supporting him being able to even take one hand though.

Show me evidence of puck having city level feats then i will believe he can take one of them on.

Ram was stated by wog to be above roswaal and puck, puck himself stated 1000 hands were needed to beat him there is a difference between author statements and character statements.
 
i don't believe it myself it's the same case as hyping Ram's sexy ass even more xD


there must three conclusion

1-it's hyperbole like you said

2-he meant 1000 of be Betelgeuse unseen hands

3-satella hands being able to crush a city isn't true "do we even have score on it ?
 
Ram is different though her powers are entirely based on her horn without it she is nothing, it's a weak point so to speak she was stated by WOG to be above roswaal and puck with her horn she lost to fodder but that was because of a surprise attack that targeted her horn.

I think it's hyperbole, as for satella's hands being able to crush a city i am going to look into it to see if it's true or not but considering that sehkment hands are big enough to hold the dragon and the dragon is massive and satella's hands>sehkment's hands i think it could be legitimate hat satella's hands would be that big.
 
Ram was child , she had no feat , was took out by a fodder with a knife and she is fodder as of now ....seriously Ram is just meh i don't know tappei even want with her

Puck instely killed all those witch cult ******* by just releasing his form and you're telling me Ram who was took out by one of those fodders with one hit is above him sorry logic doesn't help here .....adult Ram can be above Roswaal and puck but sorry child ram NOPE

are you saying now that Puck > the dragon ?
 
Ram with horn was still stated to be above roswaal and puck now this is hard to believe but it was still stated, there is more to ram than we know the author wouldn't just say something like that without a reason.

The horn is her weakness if she losses the horn she losses her power so she could be op as hell but even fodder can take her out if they catch her offguard and aim for her horn. Anyway lets wait until we get ram's entire backstory before we judge anything.

Where did you get the idea that puck>dragon? Puck isn't on the dragon's level, sehkment was able to drive the dragon away with her unseen hands. We don't know the exact details and really we don't even know how big her hands are but they were big enough to drive the dragon away. Driving the dragon away doesn't mean she could beat him though.

And yes satella's hands would clearly be superior to sekment's which is why i said i am not buying puck being able to take 1000 of satella's hands cause i am sure even sehkment could kill him.
 
i know which is why i have hard time believing it i mean would you really think Ram is stronger than Puck when she was took out by a fodder just because she has her guard down ? That begin said she have deadly weak point

so just take her attention and send fodder to strike her lol and if she really that good did roswell really though sending some fodder will work ? Because i am pretty sure he had close eye on her before setting the attack , even if the author said it the logic doesn't help

sekhmet drove away the dragon because she was bored "she wasn't serious " and if satella hands < sekhmet and you need 1000 of them to beat puck what impression did you expect me to take ? sekment herslef should rekt Puck anyday in the weak


the same i don't buy what puck said ....i feel like tappei is "whatever " when it comes to power balance in the series and that just me
 
I have a hard time believing it myself but it's the same as if somone caught goku off guard like that whole laser piercing him stuff or if someone used kryptonite to beat superman, it's a weakness ram has that if she is taken by surprise can be exploited. She was looking at rem and didn't see the witch cultist coming, so again she could be that powerful but be taken out as long as you catch her by surprise and know that her horn is her weak point.

I mean we could get a plot twist when we find out her backstory that she actually wanted to lose her horn and knew that the witch cultist was there so as i said for now we should just take what the author said at face value until we actually see her backstory.

What i meant to say above was that i think satella's hands being big enough to crush a city could be legitimate not that puck needing a 1000 hands to beat him was legititmate, i don't buy puck's statement.
 
There are always people like that. Super strong but lost because they were taken completely by surprise.

Rudeus Greyrat got both arms cut off when he was taken by surprise by his enemy posing as an ally despite his level of power being enough to spam attacks like dropping mountain-sized landmasses.

Saber got ragdolled when she was taken by surprise by the master they were aiming at actually knowing how to fight damn good.

Zabuza lost his hold on the water ball trapping Kakashi when he got taken by surprise by Naruto and Sasuke's fuuma shuriken combo.

Kaguya got punched in the face when she got trolled by surprise by the crappiest trump card that was stupid enough to work, Reverse Harem no Jutsu.

So, I'd think it's believable that Ram could've lost to fodder despite her overwhelming power as she was taken completely by surprise and had to defend her nigh-useless sister at the time. Her being a glass cannon with a glaringly obvious weakness doesn't help one bit.
 
you seriously taking Goku being beating with laser in RoF as example ? lol that was the biggest PIS i saw in my life even worse than FT xD superman is different case kryptonite is straight up his weakness while Goku was blocking lasers that can destroy planets without even trying it's same as saying i can beat a dinosaur but a cat will beat me if he catch me of gurd

i guess you're right

Do we now how big the dragon is anyway ?
 
@Gemmysaur Agreed, ram in terms of magical power was top tier but she had an exploitable weakness if she was on guard and not watching rem she would easily dealt with the witch cultist.

@Zero not being on guard or being taken by surprised is a common thing in fiction, characters who could have easily dealt with a situation or an enemy get taken by surprise and get beaten it's a common troop. In the case dragon ball we know they use ki to enhance their durability so being taken by surprise when they aren't amping their stats can prove deadly though i agree the whole laser scene was pis.

No i don't think we know how big it is but i would assume at the very least it would be as big as the white whale.
 
Strength Ranking among 7 Witches

Envy > Sloth > Pride > Gluttony > Greed = Lust>>>>>>>>>Wrath


Degree of Risk Ranking among 6 Witches

Wrath > Gluttony > Lust > Pride > Greed >>>>>>>>>>>> Sloth


Ranking of magical strength

Roswaal > Emilia(At her best) > Echidna > Beatrice > Fortuna


Ranking on amount of mana (Without order)

Emilia, Roswaal, Echidna, Typhon, Carmilla, Daphne, Ferris, Priscilla


Strongest 5 (Everyone here can kill the White Whale alone)

Reinhard > Ram(Grown-up with horn) > Regulus > Sekhmet > Puck(True form)


Weakest 5 (Without order)

Subaru, Petra, Anastasia, Lewes(Real one), Ferris


Witch of Sloth(Sekhmet) can be beaten by Reinhard or Ram(Grown-up with horn)


If he draws his own sword, Reinhard can fight against Volcanica(The Dragon), and makes stalemate on Satella.


Q. What if all witches were to fight, excluding Envy?

A. Sekhmet will kill all others under a minute.


Q. Who's the strongest Archbishop?

A. Regulus.


Q. What if Witches and Archbishops fight each other, according to their sins?

A. Greed is Regulus's win(against Echidna), Wrath is Sirius's win(against Minerva), Sloth is Sekhmet's win(against Petelgeuse), Lust is Carmilla's win barely(against Capella), Gluttony is almost stalemate(TL : Don't know it's 3 on 1 or not)


Q. What if all Witches and Archbishops of Sins were to fight?

A. Regulus is the sole survivor.


Q. What if Wilhelm fight against Elsa?

A. Wilhelm wins.


Q. What if Puck and Beatrice fight?

A. Beatrice also has possibility of winning, but it's mostly Puck's win.


Q. Who can stay longest fighting Reinhard?

A. Witch of Envy and Regulus.


Q. Why isn't Witch of Envy in the Top 5 list?

A. Characters not appeared yet aren't included in that list(Including Reid)


Q. What is the strongest authority or blessing among those appeared so far?

A. If it's purely for combat, Regulus's authority


Q. To kill Regulus without knowing his weakness, we must use a mass murdering weapon or spell. Then, If our mass murdering specialist, Puck(With Emilia dead) fights against Regulus and his brides, who's winning?

A. It will be determined by Regulus's distance with his brides. If it's short, Puck might win. If it's distant, Regulus will win.


Q. If Petelgeuse knows weakness of Regulus, even Petelgeuse could win against him easily, isn't it?

A. You don't need to be Petelgeuse to win if you can just kill all the brides knowing his weakness. Problem is on how to know it.


And, for bonus, Q&A on Minerva


Q. What would happen if Minerva-tan faces Great Rabbit? With so many injured rabbits in her sight, does she try to heal them all? or just give it up?

A. It is the reason why Witches were so desperate not to let Minerva-tan see the Great Rabbit.


Q. How dangerous was Minerva-tan considered in her life? Because she could harm no one directly, it would have been easier to send a raid group on her, or they gave up fearing indirect damage?

A. Many nations tried but almost no one could follow Minerva-tan when she started to run. She has physical power of shaking ground with her punch.


Q. Minerva-tan has tough time on insects, doesn't she?

A. Yes. Camping outside with mosquitoes flying around was a matter of life and death for Minerva-tan.
 
Witch of Sloth(Sekhmet) can be beaten by Reinhard or Ram(Grown-up with horn)

Reinhard > Ram(Grown-up with horn) > Regulus > Sekhmet > Puck(True form)
 
This pretty much confirmed what i was saying tapeei was referring to Ram potential as adult not her power as child "this was make way more sense "

also sekhmet beat puck just like we expected
 
Ah this clears up a lot of things, i knew sehkment was op but killing all the other witches under a minute though that is op. And wrath is the weakest which makes sense she can only heal people.

Also didn't expect pride to be that high up but it makes sense with her ability to break anyone's body if she finds them guilty.

Man what a waste ram could have been so op she had so much potential but now she is just fodder.
 
Tappei stating all this just makes ram lossing her horn so much of a waste man she could have been so op.

Beatrice has a chance of beating puck, makes sense she could bfr him to another dimension with al shamac.
 
Small town level reinhard and supersonic elsa for when hienkel finally redoes her speed calc and not to mention the calc for reinhards castle wall feat that would upgrade elsa's durability.

And then some other minor things like reinhards lifting strength and the whale's durability which hienkel just needs to post as blogs.

Then we can talk about creating a wilheim profile and maybe a emilia one as i think we have enough feats to scale them now, those would need calcs though and isn't really revisions so we could discuss those in the discussion thread.
 
I'm also fairly new to that forum, hehe. I joined 2 months ago. I probably won't be there anymore for long after Re:Zero anime is finished (RZ is the only reason why I registered in SB).

Meanwhile I made a new calc for Elsa (Mach 0.58 Subsonic+) and Reinhard (Mach 13.23 High Hypersonic ) in that forum using the Manga images alone. No changes for Reinhard as the Mach 13 speed is just the same that Theresia showed in the anime, but we could probably make use of the Subsonic+ blink feat for Elsa before I can finish the Anime feat.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/25350916/
 
I see. My bad. I just kinda saw that SB has a calc forum so I went nuts on it.

Anyways, me gusta. It looks right there with their portrayals.
 
By the way, I sent the Puck link to the site's explosion calc expert but she did not comment. :'( Can you refer it to other calc experts on explosion if you know them?
 
I can send it to every calcer listed on VSB at the moment but that's all I can do. I don't know any calc expert personally, much less an explosion expert.

That okay? Also, which calc was Puck's again?
 
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