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So Reinhard is High 6-A but his grandfather the Sword Demon and a fellow Royal Guard is 8-C Building level
So fair...
So fair...
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Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Discussion Thread 4 (aka rem: zero)
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By pure feats Elsa is Town level durability!!
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See, I told you even City Block was lowballing...
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Doesn't make sense, Rem could get owned by Meili, yet by current stats, Elsa will be murdered by Rem
I object!!
I object!!
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Building level Garfiel~
Arc 4 Chapter 128 - I Love You, Down to your Blood, Meat, and Guts
To the interpolator to chase the target, the gap between the stabbing rush to the studio clutches. The rats raised the black wing of the Atlantic in proportion to the anger swelling its body, scratched collected from residences in banwang discovery, and weighed the resurrection - comes **** rock slide shut.
Tore the wing black rat gather nails, blowing off the Atlantic expanding into Argyle Taking your foot, kicking beating the dogs to bite the neck of ****, interpolator rock face looks **** front of the dash.
"Drop back and ****!"
"Can I gotta cares, this jerk Aww!"
It is coming to the mass of tone, accompanied by explosive ****. It's the same mass as impact force than that of a beast, the building coming down from the sky.
Arc 4 Chapter 128 - I Love You, Down to your Blood, Meat, and Guts
To the interpolator to chase the target, the gap between the stabbing rush to the studio clutches. The rats raised the black wing of the Atlantic in proportion to the anger swelling its body, scratched collected from residences in banwang discovery, and weighed the resurrection - comes **** rock slide shut.
Tore the wing black rat gather nails, blowing off the Atlantic expanding into Argyle Taking your foot, kicking beating the dogs to bite the neck of ****, interpolator rock face looks **** front of the dash.
"Drop back and ****!"
"Can I gotta cares, this jerk Aww!"
It is coming to the mass of tone, accompanied by explosive ****. It's the same mass as impact force than that of a beast, the building coming down from the sky.
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Wilhelm and the other royal guards are fodder to reinhard in base much less with reid were he can beat characters like the dragon and stalemate satella, the royal guards and wilhelm are mid tier at best in the verse. Building level garfiel sounds ok.
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Maybe, i am gonna make a beatrice and ley next, gonna eat first.
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I wonder how long it's going to take until Translation Chicken gets to Arc 4 Chapter 128... three years maybe?
Then I have to wait for Arc 5 Chapter 34 for City Block Julius next Ôùö Ôîú Ôùö
I knew I gave the wrong answer in the Rem calc... :'< It should have scaled to Wilhelm/Theresia
Heinkel is too much of an honest person and nice guy... tsk tsk
Tappei should give him a break
Then I have to wait for Arc 5 Chapter 34 for City Block Julius next Ôùö Ôîú Ôùö
I knew I gave the wrong answer in the Rem calc... :'< It should have scaled to Wilhelm/Theresia
Heinkel is too much of an honest person and nice guy... tsk tsk
Tappei should give him a break
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Well Pegasus this is the line you wanted :
"The atmosphere froze, the cold of the the white mist rules the world. The frozen forests crack and break at the surges of the wind, Mana forcefully drawn out, the scene could not maintain it form, and is returning to ashes, to dust. Trees, streets, the world of living things, the blowing wind turned them all to white colored crystals that are then shattered and lost. The White End slowly consumes the world.
I asked chicken to do this one for me ,
"The atmosphere froze, the cold of the the white mist rules the world. The frozen forests crack and break at the surges of the wind, Mana forcefully drawn out, the scene could not maintain it form, and is returning to ashes, to dust. Trees, streets, the world of living things, the blowing wind turned them all to white colored crystals that are then shattered and lost. The White End slowly consumes the world.
I asked chicken to do this one for me ,
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Oh wow. This is golden! Thanks! I will edit my blog now.
Thank Chicken a bunch for me! Thank you too Zero.
Thank Chicken a bunch for me! Thank you too Zero.
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Shall we hold a wedding, Zero-chan? When do you want?
Pegasus will be our best man!
Pegasus will be our best man!
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I think this might also be enough evidence to give absolute zero to puck as well.
Zero i don't love you baka.
Zero i don't love you baka.
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Nice fanart, have any official designs been released yet today?
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Ah that sucks, wonder which design we will get next hopefully it's one of the witches.
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First, nice job Pegasus. But...
Beatrice 9-B
Whatdahell mate, can't you at least scale her to Small Puck? -_____-
Beatrice 9-B
Whatdahell mate, can't you at least scale her to Small Puck? -_____-
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Have you seen beatrice's move set she is hax as hell, she is all about hax so we can't scale her to other characters unless she has directly fought them or have statements of being able to defeat them though even if we had such statements we would need to know how she would beat them cause she has hax that makes dc irrelevant.
So about puck do you think with the translations we have we can give him absolute zero?
So about puck do you think with the translations we have we can give him absolute zero?
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Well, the two 'absolute zero' quote themselves are still in machine translation, but it should be ok I guess. If someone makes an inquiry about it we'll just show them the translation.
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Well i think even with the translation being machine translations the recent translation we got of things cracking and turning to dust is enough to back it up, didn't you post something before about what is needed in order to be considered absolute zero?
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I did. It's here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/424205
Follow the comment by Reppuza.
On image you can type Puck and you will find the absolute zero quote screenshots (with the original Japanese texts).
Okay, let's give it absolute zero.
Follow the comment by Reppuza.
On image you can type Puck and you will find the absolute zero quote screenshots (with the original Japanese texts).
Okay, let's give it absolute zero.
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Ok i will add it
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It's the "I stop time and slit your throat while it is stopped" type, emm and emt are just spells she and subaru came up with to be used for their contract she could already do stuff like teleporting, freezing time, tearing space, bfr things to another dimension etc before the contract and was stated by roswaal to be able to freeze time and that was before she made a contract with subaru and made emt and emm.
If anything the contract with subaru made her weaker as she now as restrictions like needing to absorb subaru's mana to use her biggest attacks before she could just take mana from the people around her.
If anything the contract with subaru made her weaker as she now as restrictions like needing to absorb subaru's mana to use her biggest attacks before she could just take mana from the people around her.
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Well beatrice can still be used just state that this is before she made the contract with subaru cause then she would have all her hax, in the contract with subaru and by herself she basically can't use any of her hax and she can only use magic a limited amount of times. With subaru she can cast emm and emt but i don't think she can use her other magic cause she needs subaru's mana to do them and subaru doesn't have a lot of mana to begin with.
Don't know about durability negation she could just bfr people to another dimension or if she manages to get close enough, touch them and absorb all their mana killing them.
Don't know about durability negation she could just bfr people to another dimension or if she manages to get close enough, touch them and absorb all their mana killing them.
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Heinkel_Astrea/Re:Zero_-_Puck_%27World_End%27_minimum_AoE_calculatio
Calcing for the AoE is a pain in the ass...
I made a new calc for Puck barely destroying just the Sanctuary in the terraforming feat. 6-C Island level.
I do have to object though because it's very unlikely for the 'World Destruction' to be noticed outside the Sanctuary if it is the only settlement that was destroyed. There's no other settlement nearby.
Calcing for the AoE is a pain in the ass...
I made a new calc for Puck barely destroying just the Sanctuary in the terraforming feat. 6-C Island level.
I do have to object though because it's very unlikely for the 'World Destruction' to be noticed outside the Sanctuary if it is the only settlement that was destroyed. There's no other settlement nearby.
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2 cents
So. After some time mulling this issue over, I believe we need to consider carefully the context under which the World End plot device was being used by Tappei.
As you know, during this Ending, Subaru was shown forests, cities, and 'the world of living things' being shattered at the same time. One moment he is in a forest, in another moment he is inside a city, and the next he is among the shattered pile of dead fauna.
The scenery cuts from one location to another during the Trial, manifesting as images of a parallel world that died together after his death in a dream.
So, then, was it Tappei's intent to make readers believe that the 'World' as we knew it came to an end at the hands of Puck during that ending, but Reinhard finally stopped him?
In my honest opinion, that was the intended effect. I think that Tappei wanted readers/Subaru to believe that the RZ 'World' had come to an end, as a note of finality for that ending, though Reinhard was able to reverse it and save the world with his terraforming.
So I really think the Narrative Context matters here. What was the author's intent in using those statements to construct the Ending's narrative? It isn't like the author likes to throw hyperbolic statements like shaking a whole planet with each swing every time; Tappei is a very careful writer.
In any case, I can also make another calc for the Puck's AoE to reach the nearest city - the Lugnican capital - from the Mathers Marches, but not destroy it. To be honest the Sanctuary being the only settlement destroyed by Puck does not seat with me well, and I also doubt that's what the Author wanted us to think (that the 'Beast of Annihilation' had such underwhelming capabilities). We can use the capital as another point of reference for distance then.
If this difference between Author's intent and what the readers can perceive is difficult to reconcile, we can use At least and Likely again as we had done for other profiles.
Done. We have Large Island level for freezing the general area around Roswaal Mansion, but leave the Lugnican capital unharmed.
So. After some time mulling this issue over, I believe we need to consider carefully the context under which the World End plot device was being used by Tappei.
As you know, during this Ending, Subaru was shown forests, cities, and 'the world of living things' being shattered at the same time. One moment he is in a forest, in another moment he is inside a city, and the next he is among the shattered pile of dead fauna.
The scenery cuts from one location to another during the Trial, manifesting as images of a parallel world that died together after his death in a dream.
So, then, was it Tappei's intent to make readers believe that the 'World' as we knew it came to an end at the hands of Puck during that ending, but Reinhard finally stopped him?
In my honest opinion, that was the intended effect. I think that Tappei wanted readers/Subaru to believe that the RZ 'World' had come to an end, as a note of finality for that ending, though Reinhard was able to reverse it and save the world with his terraforming.
So I really think the Narrative Context matters here. What was the author's intent in using those statements to construct the Ending's narrative? It isn't like the author likes to throw hyperbolic statements like shaking a whole planet with each swing every time; Tappei is a very careful writer.
In any case, I can also make another calc for the Puck's AoE to reach the nearest city - the Lugnican capital - from the Mathers Marches, but not destroy it. To be honest the Sanctuary being the only settlement destroyed by Puck does not seat with me well, and I also doubt that's what the Author wanted us to think (that the 'Beast of Annihilation' had such underwhelming capabilities). We can use the capital as another point of reference for distance then.
If this difference between Author's intent and what the readers can perceive is difficult to reconcile, we can use At least and Likely again as we had done for other profiles.
Done. We have Large Island level for freezing the general area around Roswaal Mansion, but leave the Lugnican capital unharmed.
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This doesn't refer to literally the entire world for 2 reasons, one tappei has said in interviews that he has no intention of taking the story outside of lugnica which is back up by the fact that the story has never been outside of lugnica except for in special chapters like the one where reinhard goes to the volakian empire. We also haven't been introduced to the other countries yes we know details about them but the story has never focused on them so why then would puck's feat refer to the literal entire world when we haven't even seen the world outside of lugnica?
The other reason why it doesn't apply to the entire world is because it's highly unlikely that reinhard would sit around and watch puck freeze the entire world and not do anything, puck wouldn't get any further than lugnica and even freezing the entirety of lugnica is unlikely as i don't think puck could freeze the entire country and reinhard not notice. Puck could freeze a significant portion of the country though yes, though i could buy the entire country but nothing more than that.
The other reason why it doesn't apply to the entire world is because it's highly unlikely that reinhard would sit around and watch puck freeze the entire world and not do anything, puck wouldn't get any further than lugnica and even freezing the entirety of lugnica is unlikely as i don't think puck could freeze the entire country and reinhard not notice. Puck could freeze a significant portion of the country though yes, though i could buy the entire country but nothing more than that.
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Well, the thing is that the current "World" size is entirely based on Lugnican landmarks too.
We used the line distance between Roswaal Mansion and the Auriga Sand Dunes. They are both inside Lugnica, and Subaru has never visited any other location outside the country. So, no, we have not included any areas which we have not seen yet - we've only included those places that Subaru has visited and we know the travel distance of. Unlike previous guesses we did not do 4x or any of the sort, just the Lugnican distance measurement because we are given speed, time frame, and the direction taken.
Anyway, I already used Roswaal Mansion - Lugnican Capital distance for the High 6-C calc, which should leave the capital itself unharmed. Puck in that scenario would have destroyed the Sanctuary, Arlam village, and maybe Fleur village (and another unnamed one).
We used the line distance between Roswaal Mansion and the Auriga Sand Dunes. They are both inside Lugnica, and Subaru has never visited any other location outside the country. So, no, we have not included any areas which we have not seen yet - we've only included those places that Subaru has visited and we know the travel distance of. Unlike previous guesses we did not do 4x or any of the sort, just the Lugnican distance measurement because we are given speed, time frame, and the direction taken.
Anyway, I already used Roswaal Mansion - Lugnican Capital distance for the High 6-C calc, which should leave the capital itself unharmed. Puck in that scenario would have destroyed the Sanctuary, Arlam village, and maybe Fleur village (and another unnamed one).
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