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Shrugs then I'll leave a note there notifying the calc members that we are going to use up to the mid-end for now.
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Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Discussion Thread 4 (aka rem: zero)
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Country level reinhard will have to wait, it doesn't really matter to me what his dc is i am just happy that he has a dc value with reid. He is still gonna stomp people above his level with his matter manipulation and sealing and his crap ton of hax resistance, highly doubt anyone in high 6-C tier can take reinhard, unless they are reality warpers, the dude is too broken.
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Still, High 6-A like Satella would make him able to fight some Tier 5 opponents. : P have you thought of fights like Reinhard vs Saitama? He'd still need MHS for combat speed and lightspeed for reactions though.
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They would have to get that lightspeed reactions confirmed first but speed equalized saitama is getting his ass handed to him by satella, she has too much hax and being immortal saitama can't do jack to her. Dc doesn't mean anything in re zero.
Reinhard reaching High 6-A can wait saitama has the dc advantage but reinhard could still erase him with his matter manipulation. There is no rush to match him against such people he will get more feats in due time.
Reinhard reaching High 6-A can wait saitama has the dc advantage but reinhard could still erase him with his matter manipulation. There is no rush to match him against such people he will get more feats in due time.
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So we can get the calc evaluated now tha we have agreed the mid end is the most reasonable.
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Okay, maybe Zero can leave a message on Lina's wall now. 8) We'll use the mid-end.
By the way, should Reinhard's without Reid Durability be Large Island level as well? He hasn't drawn his sword yet when he beat Puck down with his hand, and was at the epicenter of Puck's destructive wave.
By the way, should Reinhard's without Reid Durability be Large Island level as well? He hasn't drawn his sword yet when he beat Puck down with his hand, and was at the epicenter of Puck's destructive wave.
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Actually i will just message Lina that we have reached a conclusion.Yes his durability would be large Island thats what is usually done we automatically give characters durability ratings based off their dc unless they have been proven to be glass canons.
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Ok. Large Island for Base Reinhard too? That was my question because he didn't draw Reid yet when he was in front of Puck. Seems like Base Reinhard durability already scales to Reid Reinhard durability; Reid only upgrades his AP and allows Matter Manipulation to heal other living things and objects.
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No cause as usual reinhard has resistance to stuff, puck's absolute zero freezing wouldn't do anything to him.
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Well lina agreed with the calc and got Large Island level. I am guessing you mean scaling base reinhard to puck? Cause reinhard with reid destroyed all puck froze and puck froze at least 400km so reinhard with reid scales.
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Well yea agree base reinhard doesn't scale case puck can't do anything to him cause of his hax resistance.
In the summary when it was talking about the lewes clones and how they were made it said some of them had broken personalities obviously referring to sphinx and were troublesome to deal with cause they had fragments of echidna's power.
No she doesn't scale to puck just cause she created him.
In the summary when it was talking about the lewes clones and how they were made it said some of them had broken personalities obviously referring to sphinx and were troublesome to deal with cause they had fragments of echidna's power.
No she doesn't scale to puck just cause she created him.
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Well the lewis were made by echidna using some sort of special spell with od and her own mana so she scales to them as for puck we have no idea how she made him and her powerset isn't even similar to puck's, puck uses ice, well actually fire but drains heat but whatever.
In the case of beatrice she can scale to her cause they have the same powerset like tappei saying they both have teleportation. Anyway puck seems to be different, so i don't think she can scale, puck is that high cause of his absolute zero freezing hax which i don't think echidna has and quite frankly she doesn't need it cause she would will still kick puck's ass.
In the case of beatrice she can scale to her cause they have the same powerset like tappei saying they both have teleportation. Anyway puck seems to be different, so i don't think she can scale, puck is that high cause of his absolute zero freezing hax which i don't think echidna has and quite frankly she doesn't need it cause she would will still kick puck's ass.
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I already got CB? for Sphinx vaporizing the ceiling.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._-_Sphinx_Al_Jiwald_Ceiling_Vaporization_Feat
And I think it's safe to give Puck and Reinhard High 6-C now. Make sure to use At least tag for Reinhard since we don't know yet if they affected only one city or more.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._-_Sphinx_Al_Jiwald_Ceiling_Vaporization_Feat
And I think it's safe to give Puck and Reinhard High 6-C now. Make sure to use At least tag for Reinhard since we don't know yet if they affected only one city or more.
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Reinhard with reid souldn't be unknown anymore we have values for him he should be at least Large Island level and his speed should scale to his base.
Also you guys didn't upgrade the chracters striking strength gonna do that.
Also you guys didn't upgrade the chracters striking strength gonna do that.
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Guys. Help me improve this blog so that calc members will not have a hard time reading it... : (
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._-_Sphinx_Al_Jiwald_Ceiling_Vaporization_Feat
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._-_Sphinx_Al_Jiwald_Ceiling_Vaporization_Feat
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The sphinx picture is unnecessary as it brings nothing to the calc. Maybe start out by saying what you are gonna calc which is sphinx vaporizing a ceiling and then post the quotes of her doing so. You should space out the words more away from the pictures you posted.
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How about now?
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Looks good
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Also Pegasus. I suggest scaling Base Reinhard's Durability to tanking Regulu's 7-B AP, instead of the White Whale's. The White Whale is confirmed to be dango compared to both Reinhard and Regulus, it's clear it's heavily outmatched by either.
I already know what you will say about hax stuff, so just say yes or no. If no, fine. No need for further explanation.
However, take note that 7-B AP that ignores durability is generally treated as stronger than 7-B AP that can't. Regulus can hurt people who have higher durability than 7-B, we just don't know yet by how much. We only know that Reinhard is tanking it without any injuries.
Just say yes or no.
I already know what you will say about hax stuff, so just say yes or no. If no, fine. No need for further explanation.
However, take note that 7-B AP that ignores durability is generally treated as stronger than 7-B AP that can't. Regulus can hurt people who have higher durability than 7-B, we just don't know yet by how much. We only know that Reinhard is tanking it without any injuries.
Just say yes or no.
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No
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Right. So what if I pointed out that the passage never actually said what sword Reinhard took out? 8P
That I was just assuming things because continent level for base form sounds absurd.
The voice at the very end was a voice that was filled up fully with clear contempt up until now. Upon hearing these words, Reinhardt took his sheathed sword out and raised it towards the sky. With the spirit of the sword embedded into it, a flash―the radiance of the sword's edge broke out along with a tremendous flare of heat―which cut into the sky, pierced into the atmosphere, smashed the surface, and churned his mana. Everything that got hit by the straight strike of his sword was bisected―light converged, and the world that Subaru felt in front of him turned into a state of disorder.
Such as this sword over here:
Check the pommel. It's not Reid.
'Likely High 6-C' for Base and 'At least High 6-C, likely far higher' for Reid sounds good!
That I was just assuming things because continent level for base form sounds absurd.
The voice at the very end was a voice that was filled up fully with clear contempt up until now. Upon hearing these words, Reinhardt took his sheathed sword out and raised it towards the sky. With the spirit of the sword embedded into it, a flash―the radiance of the sword's edge broke out along with a tremendous flare of heat―which cut into the sky, pierced into the atmosphere, smashed the surface, and churned his mana. Everything that got hit by the straight strike of his sword was bisected―light converged, and the world that Subaru felt in front of him turned into a state of disorder.
Such as this sword over here:
Check the pommel. It's not Reid.
'Likely High 6-C' for Base and 'At least High 6-C, likely far higher' for Reid sounds good!
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I am pretty sure i saw something about dragon being mentioned so i am pretty sure it meant reid, as it is the dragon sword.
"The "sword Saint" holds the sword, and towards the nose Pack unplugged from a scabbard engraved Dragon claw, but it sparks of steel in front of the beast--body Reinhard quietly shook his head sideways."
Sounds like reid to me.
"The "sword Saint" holds the sword, and towards the nose Pack unplugged from a scabbard engraved Dragon claw, but it sparks of steel in front of the beast--body Reinhard quietly shook his head sideways."
Sounds like reid to me.
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Well I still think Reinhard Durability should scale to Regulus AP. Tanking City level AP that ignores durability, that's amazing!
I want Gemmy and Zero's opinions on this matter. >: (
I want Gemmy and Zero's opinions on this matter. >: (
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Regulus is 7-B via hax and his hax doesn't do anything to reinhard cause he has resistance to it, with that logic we might as well put him in base at high 6-C for taking no damage from puck's absolute zero freezing or better yet high 6-A with reid for being able to stalemate satella.
Feats performed with hax don't scale to reinhard as he has resistance to hax it's that simple.
Feats performed with hax don't scale to reinhard as he has resistance to hax it's that simple.
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Actually, your second proposal makes more sense, since Reinhard had to walk through all of Puck's absolute zero AoE for 400 km right up to the epicenter before having to draw Reid. He approached Puck in his base form.
And he also wrestled Puck to the ground before drawing his sword. Remember the part that said Puck fell.
And yes Reinhard should be High 6-A Durability at least. Satella with all her AP that would consume worlds can't kill him.
And he also wrestled Puck to the ground before drawing his sword. Remember the part that said Puck fell.
And yes Reinhard should be High 6-A Durability at least. Satella with all her AP that would consume worlds can't kill him.
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It doesn't matter how much puck froze it wouldn't affect reinhard cause he has resistance to it so it doesn't scale to him, remember those 2 blessings magic resistance and water reflection. What is absolute zero? A debuff cause it freezes things making them able to move or do anything, what do we know about debuffs? It has no effect of reinhard, what do we know about water reflection? It reflects 80% of water magic same with fire aviodance that reduces fire by 80% so with those blessings he isn't taking any damage from puck it's not cause his durability is that high it's cause he has resistance.
Chill with the reinhard upgrades heinkel man i need to go write an essay lol, you can agrue it with zero and gemmy if you want to though.
Chill with the reinhard upgrades heinkel man i need to go write an essay lol, you can agrue it with zero and gemmy if you want to though.
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-___- I am reaally starting to ******* hate some of these 'haxes' you know
We don't even know if he is really tanking them through hax rather than durability, so why not 'Likely'...?
I mean we don't really have concrete evidence either way, right? What if Reinhard tanked Puck due to durability? It's 50/50
And let's say it was reduced by 80% - that's still Large Island level in base. (134 gigatons)
Ok but don't bother yourself too much, good luck with your essays! I'll go bother Zero and Gemmy
We don't even know if he is really tanking them through hax rather than durability, so why not 'Likely'...?
I mean we don't really have concrete evidence either way, right? What if Reinhard tanked Puck due to durability? It's 50/50
And let's say it was reduced by 80% - that's still Large Island level in base. (134 gigatons)
Ok but don't bother yourself too much, good luck with your essays! I'll go bother Zero and Gemmy
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@Zero and Gemmy
- Puck is Large Island level AP
- Puck is Large Island level Durability
- Reinhard walked up to Puck's face in his base form
- Reinhard punched Puck's face into the ground in his base form
- Reinhard is Town level AP/Durability
'< Comfort me that it's okay... even if there are some things that I do not understand...
- Puck is Large Island level AP
- Puck is Large Island level Durability
- Reinhard walked up to Puck's face in his base form
- Reinhard punched Puck's face into the ground in his base form
- Reinhard is Town level AP/Durability
'< Comfort me that it's okay... even if there are some things that I do not understand...
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@Everyone
We may need to recalculate the Puck feat.
http://rezero.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:19986#2
The LN enlarged the distance between Roswaal Mansion and the Capital compared to the WN. Check the response by Angelo Gabrini, the administrator of the RZ wiki.
The recalculation is not difficult, but it will affect Puck and Reinhard's rating.
We may need to recalculate the Puck feat.
http://rezero.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:19986#2
The LN enlarged the distance between Roswaal Mansion and the Capital compared to the WN. Check the response by Angelo Gabrini, the administrator of the RZ wiki.
The recalculation is not difficult, but it will affect Puck and Reinhard's rating.
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Alright Pegasus, I recalced it with the confirmation from the RZ wikia administrator. Both the original Mid-End and the revised Mid-End are there. Check it out.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Heinkel_Astrea/Re:Zero_-_Puck_%27World_End%27_minimum_AoE_calculatio
Should we ask Lina for a quick review of the revision?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Heinkel_Astrea/Re:Zero_-_Puck_%27World_End%27_minimum_AoE_calculatio
Should we ask Lina for a quick review of the revision?
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―Natsuki Subaru's group continued to head directly towards east upon leaving the city of Pristella.
They headed towards the eastern end of the world—an area that contained the Augria Sand Dunes, which was a plot of land with a rich history of demon beasts that have continued to exist for hundreds of years, rejecting every existence from stepping foot onto their territory.
This group's destination, the same destination as the one at the start, was the Augria Sand Dunes―the place where they would seek to speak with the "Sage" Shaula. However, they had already arranged to stop by Roswaal's mansion on the way as a way to prepare for their trip and to make a stop in their long expedition.
It was later than 1 hour past noon when the dragon carriage arrived at Roswaal's mansion.
The long migration from Pristella City―which has gone on for only 10 days―went on a temporarily hold.
Alright, so this is confirmation that Priestella (western border) -> Roswaal Mansion -> Augria Sand Dunes (eastern border) takes a total of 30 days of travel in more or less straight line. This should be the total width of Lugnica from one end to the other end, right?
They headed towards the eastern end of the world—an area that contained the Augria Sand Dunes, which was a plot of land with a rich history of demon beasts that have continued to exist for hundreds of years, rejecting every existence from stepping foot onto their territory.
This group's destination, the same destination as the one at the start, was the Augria Sand Dunes―the place where they would seek to speak with the "Sage" Shaula. However, they had already arranged to stop by Roswaal's mansion on the way as a way to prepare for their trip and to make a stop in their long expedition.
It was later than 1 hour past noon when the dragon carriage arrived at Roswaal's mansion.
The long migration from Pristella City―which has gone on for only 10 days―went on a temporarily hold.
Alright, so this is confirmation that Priestella (western border) -> Roswaal Mansion -> Augria Sand Dunes (eastern border) takes a total of 30 days of travel in more or less straight line. This should be the total width of Lugnica from one end to the other end, right?
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