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Re-examining Super Mario cast Tiers

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Can we just downgrade Wario to tier 9 cuz he struggled against a little girl? (ignoring that weaker enemies have stronger feats and Wario by himself has done way stronger feats casually)
 
Starsprite53 said:
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Can we just downgrade Wario to tier 9 cuz he struggled against a little girl? (ignoring that weaker enemies have stronger feats and Wario by himself has done way stronger feats casually)
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I mean, it is true that in WarioWare specifically he’s basically useless physically, pretty much anytime people turn on him he’s taken out
 
Splitting Mario profiles yet again, jesus christ this never ******* ends.

I'll make this as simple as possible.

2-D and 3-D Mario? There, connected.

Mainlines to M&L? There, all connected.

M&L to Paper Mario? There, connected.

Paper Mario to Party and Sports? There, connected.

This is obviously a lowball, but seriously, there is no reason to separate them other than "because my headcanon says so". Miyamoto, the Mario Encyclopedia, and the Mario website literally groups all of these ******* games as an entire whole and does not view them as different canons.
 
I don't think splitting works, the games are very much "canon" to each other. Sometimes loosely, but they are canon. It isn't the canonicity that needs to be contested, it is the way both scaling and power levels seem to change wildly over the games.

Like, I'm not a Mario specialist at all, I've played since I was a kid but only a few games and never paying much attention. However, the things Mario & co. are shown to get wounded by/tank with no harm are all over the place, at times treating even similar circumstances differently. I wish I could give good examples, but if I did so I'd be unfair as I haven't played enough to make good justifications. I could say how the relationship of Mario and casual enemies is VERY weird, as things like goombas can consistently (Arguably not greatly) wound Mario & Co. with their efforts, but Mario often keeps up with beings that make goombas become completely irrelevant. There is much more than that, and I could grab things that would be anti-feats, but it is just to illustrate my point that there are far too many "anti-feats" for any specific rating we put Mario on;

This also changes depending on how much we value cutscenes/non-gameplay stuff over the gameplay.
 
Bruh, Sonic is 2-C and immeasureable, why would we give a flying **** if Mario's universal due to being Sonic fans?

I personally care because I disagree with it.
 
Anyways, there's already an on-going CRT, and this thread for whatever reason is tackling points that are on that thread already.
 
Sorry but by this logic i can downgrade so many franchises in this site espacially game franchises.

DragonLord said:
I mean, it is true that in WarioWare specifically he’s basically useless physically, pretty much anytime people turn on him he’s taken out
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I mean warioware by itself is so gag and cartoonish like how 5-volt can lift heavy things with just repeating Little exercises from the TV.
 
Anti-feats as an entire basis for an argument falls so flat, I cannot wait to downgrade so many verses for this. Seriously though, we were already doing a CRT for this and then were going to make a scaling CRT, then this comes out of nowhere and pulls Mario tripping on a pebble as "HOLY SHIT, 10-C BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY"
 
DatOneWeeb said:
Splitting Mario profiles yet again, jesus christ this never ******* ends.

I'll make this as simple as possible.

2-D and 3-D Mario? There, connected.

Mainlines to M&L? There, all connected.

M&L to Paper Mario? There, connected.

Paper Mario to Party and Sports? There, connected.

This is obviously a lowball, but seriously, there is no reason to separate them other than "because my headcanon says so". Miyamoto, the Mario Encyclopedia, and the Mario website literally groups all of these ******* games as an entire whole and does not view them as different canons.
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Links don’t work for me FYI
 
The_Smashor said:
It dosn't, but the point is Mario's story is super inconsistent and constantly contradicts itself.
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If it doesn't contradict the scaling in the verse, then concede. We don't care about stories being different, we care about scaling, feats, and whether or not things are contradictory in that manor.
 
liluzivert said:
If it doesn't contradict the scaling in the verse, then concede. We don't care about stories being different, we care about scaling, feats, and whether or not things are contradictory in that manor.
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Let me rephrase, it dosn't directly effect the scaling, but it effects the scaling by effecting the story.
 
DatOneWeeb said:
Splitting Mario profiles yet again, jesus christ this never ******* ends.

I'll make this as simple as possible.

2-D and 3-D Mario? There, connected.

Mainlines to M&L? There, all connected.

M&L to Paper Mario? There, connected.

Paper Mario to Party and Sports? There, connected.

This is obviously a lowball, but seriously, there is no reason to separate them other than "because my headcanon says so". Miyamoto, the Mario Encyclopedia, and the Mario website literally groups all of these ******* games as an entire whole and does not view them as different canons.
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Going by our canon standard, those would actually be weak evidences
And they actually do get kind of separated, as seen with the Mario video going across every games in the franchise.
 
DatOneWeeb said:
Splitting Mario profiles yet again, jesus christ this never ******* ends.

I'll make this as simple as possible.

2-D and 3-D Mario? There, connected.

Mainlines to M&L? There, all connected.

M&L to Paper Mario? There, connected.

Paper Mario to Party and Sports? There, connected.

This is obviously a lowball, but seriously, there is no reason to separate them other than "because my headcanon says so". Miyamoto, the Mario Encyclopedia, and the Mario website literally groups all of these ******* games as an entire whole and does not view them as different canons.
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Changed.
 
Also, the whole "Paper Mario characters appear in mainline Mario" argument for Paper Mario being canon to regular Mario is a really weak argument considering the Paper characters appearing in regular Mario could be the regular versions of the paper characters just like how the paperverse has paper versions of the regular characters.

Paper Jam supports them being separate.

DatOneWeeb said:
Except that isn't the case either, because Yoshi's Island's title is literally "Super Mario World 2", and is thus a prequel.
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Do you want me to bring up the Paradox of Entailment again?
 
I feel in the End, Miyamoto is right, Mario is a old cartoon/comic character, sometimes he owns an entire kingdom, sometimes he has a dinky little house with Luigi, sometimes Luigi has an entire mansion, sometimes he lives with Mario in that dinky house, sometimes Bowser is ruling the Galaxy with a iron fist, other times he’s eating donuts peacefully with Mario and Friends, sometimes Wario is a ultra rich treasure Hunter, sometimes he’s a broke scummy Game Developer, some games like Mario Galaxy 2 pretty much just act like the original doesn’t exist really, sometimes the Moon is smaller then an island, sometimes it’s about as big as our moon

Are these “contradictions” perhaps not, people could (and have) make any amount of explanations for these sudden changes but I think the truth is, Nintendo doesn’t think about it, and the same goes about for any cartoon character

for example, right now Bugs Bunny is going through major changes, one of the profiles being “Space Jam”, is there technically anything that contradicts any other of the cartoons in space jam?, probably not, and there’s some nods here and there but the real reason it’s Seperate is that it’s just, different, Bugs acts differently, the brand is different, the people are different and the power levels are different (Road Runner would’ve cleared that movie hard tbh), and I feel the same can be said for Mario, specially since one of these canon’s is directly a alternate universe inside a book

that’s my honest feeling on Mario Canon, I personally would like it to be connected, but Nintendo just, doesn’t have interest in that idea
 
QuasiYuri said:
Going by our canon standard, those would actually be weak evidences
And they actually do get kind of separated, as seen with the Mario video going across every games in the franchise.
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You claim that, they it's literally what is being used on the profile. Because they're literally calling up previous events and remembering them.

The_Smashor said:
Also, the whole "Paper Mario characters appear in mainline Mario" argument for Paper Mario being canon to regular Mario is a really weak argument considering the Paper characters appearing in regular Mario could be the regular versions of the paper characters just like how the paperverse has paper versions of the regular characters.

Paper Jam supports them being separate.
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And Paper Jam also contradicts Sticker Star as a whole, while other games have the Paper Mario events as previous adventures, while another having Mario 3 as a past adventure, etc etc. The Paper Jam argument falls flat, you literally can't even connect Paper Jam's Paper Mario to his own supposed series. Your own evidence can be used against you.

The_Smashor said:
Do you want me to bring up the Paradox of Entailment again?
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Don't know what else to tell you if it's a confirmed prequel from the devs. DK and Yoshi's Island are in-fact connected to the main series. Even the DK series has shown the Mushroom Kingdom.
 
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