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It was because of the dustWeeklyBattles said:
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Raven (RWBY) vs Raiden (Metal Gear)
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Raiden outskills her but he has no counter for being frozen or set on fire with her Dust blades. Also he has a limit to how much damage he can take before he needs to refuel.
That said, all the votes are reset as the argument for them is now illegitimate
That said, all the votes are reset as the argument for them is now illegitimate
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No she spotted her later in the fight as wellTony di bugalu said:
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Not sure if that's how her Dust blades work, because I don't remember her using them in combat.
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Actually Raiden may not even outskill her
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Que? Are you saying Raiden is not more skilled than her?WeeklyBattles said:
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Raven has been fighting since she was a kid and even as a child with no formal training was able to become so skilled that by the time she was the proper age she got into Beacon through sheer skill which normally requires years of training at a combat school for several years to do, she then went on to train directly under Ozpin and became skilled enough that he entrusted her and Qrow with their powers and he wanted them to join his inner circle but Raven refused. She then went on to continue training on her own and eventually came into her Maiden powers and trained further using them to the point that she was able to perform her storm feat with such control that no one knew she was doing it despite he rstanding right in front of them. Even Mercury, who was able to determine Pyrrha's semblance (which she managed to keep hidden from the world for her entire life) in a few minutes, was fooled.
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Maiden powers part is irrelevant, since this is Base Raven.
Good. Raiden was trained as a child soldier since the age of 6, led his own unit at the age of 10, went through over 300 VR simulations, including the events of MGS1 and the Tanker Incident in MGS2, endured the Manhattan Incident, throughout which he encountered numerous opponents on his level, etc. etc. And that's only up to MGS2.
It's really hard to cover his experience for me, so here's his page on Metal Gear wiki.
Good. Raiden was trained as a child soldier since the age of 6, led his own unit at the age of 10, went through over 300 VR simulations, including the events of MGS1 and the Tanker Incident in MGS2, endured the Manhattan Incident, throughout which he encountered numerous opponents on his level, etc. etc. And that's only up to MGS2.
It's really hard to cover his experience for me, so here's his page on Metal Gear wiki.
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TL;DR, Theyre likely around equally skilled
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Although Raven's skill is more vague than Raiden's.
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How is being trained to slaughter fantasy monsters who kill humans comparable to participating in literal wars between actual people since the age of 6?
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Because Raven didnt train to kill Grimm, she trained to kill pro huntsmen
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His counter to her dust blades would be just cutting straight through the sword.
Being able to negate dura seems like a very solid advantage if they are equally skilled.
Being able to negate dura seems like a very solid advantage if they are equally skilled.
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Pretty sure that's what academies in RWBY teach you, but whatever.
Raven's experience is still more vague in comparison to Raiden's, but to each his own, I guess.
Raven's experience is still more vague in comparison to Raiden's, but to each his own, I guess.
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@Dargoo Raiden's HF Blade wouldnt cut through her or her sword due to aura
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And pro huntsmen were trained to kill Grimm.WeeklyBattles said:
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@Reb No the academies teach you to kill Grimm
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That's what I said, isn't it?WeeklyBattles said:
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The academies teach huntsmen to kill grimm
Raven and Qrow went to the academies to learn how to kill huntsmen
Raven and Qrow went to the academies to learn how to kill huntsmen
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Raven and Qrow learned how to kill huntsmen who learned how to kill Grimm
Raiden learned how to kill people who learned how to kill other people.
Raiden learned how to kill people who learned how to kill other people.
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And through Ozpin they were trained to kill people who killed people
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Where does that come from?
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From them getting training to fight people like the ones in Salem's faction
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I've already stated that it has bypassed forcefields.WeeklyBattles said:
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And I asked for scans because from the playthroughs ive seen it never bypassed a forcefield
Huesito asked as well
Huesito asked as well
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Huh. Could have sworn Monsoon had electromagnetic forcefields. Eh.
I might start leaning Raven, then. If she can resist the effects of the HF blade, and they are (arguably) evenly skilled, she maintains the edge of being able to employ dust.
What's the AP difference? If Raiden has a significant advantage he'd likely not be too affected by the dust attacks, and would eventually just overpower Raven. If he is below/equal to her in AP, though, my vote is for Raven.
I might start leaning Raven, then. If she can resist the effects of the HF blade, and they are (arguably) evenly skilled, she maintains the edge of being able to employ dust.
What's the AP difference? If Raiden has a significant advantage he'd likely not be too affected by the dust attacks, and would eventually just overpower Raven. If he is below/equal to her in AP, though, my vote is for Raven.
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@Dargoo Youre thinking of Volgin
Raven should actually have the AP advantage by a slight margin seeing as she's stronger than Vernal who casually oneshot the Arma Gigas which stomped the Queen Lancer which was undamaged by an 18 ton attack whereas Raiden is just 35 Tons
Raven should actually have the AP advantage by a slight margin seeing as she's stronger than Vernal who casually oneshot the Arma Gigas which stomped the Queen Lancer which was undamaged by an 18 ton attack whereas Raiden is just 35 Tons
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This Raiden scales above his 36 tons feat from MGS4, which was done by him in a near-death state.
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(Man, where was that logic when Sasuke fought Oscar?)
If raiden can bypass aura, he wins through bypassing dura, if not, raven wins through versatility.
If raiden can bypass aura, he wins through bypassing dura, if not, raven wins through versatility.
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@Ricsi People were too blinded by a Naruto character beating a RWBY character to see it
He cant bypass her aura with his HF blade
He cant bypass her aura with his HF blade
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Exept, you said it was an AP stomp...WeeklyBattles said:
Ap wasn't even an argument
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It was
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No, it's NLF to assume Raven is at a specific AP or above a specific AP when we only know she is significantly above 18 tons. As described on the One-Shot page, different verses can often have very different interpretations of what "significantly stronger is", and the gaps needed to overwhelm an opponent can be anywhere from less than 2 times to greater than 5 times AP.
However, it is not presumptuous to say she is at least near or at Raiden's AP, we just can't assume who has the advantage.
And as I said, if they are equal/comparable in AP, Raven takes this with high diff due to her dust giving her a very marginal edge.
However, it is not presumptuous to say she is at least near or at Raiden's AP, we just can't assume who has the advantage.
And as I said, if they are equal/comparable in AP, Raven takes this with high diff due to her dust giving her a very marginal edge.
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What the ****?WeeklyBattles said:
You claim that Raven is stronger than a 35 ton character due to being much stronger than a 18 ton one.
Oscar, who is also much stronger than an 18 ton, was aparently getting AP stomped by a 65 ton character, even though the difference between 18 tons and 65 isn't even 4.
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Ricsi, calm down. No need for profanity in that context here.
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Hey, don't have this discussion here, don't derail.
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8-B MGRR Raiden is a good margin above 36 tons, actually, for reasons I noted above.
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@Dargoo Thats...not what a NLF is, what youre thinking of is an assumption. But youre correct. They'd be around equal AP
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This is MGS4 Raiden, why does that matter here?RebubleUselet said:
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