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Ok so it feels much better to break these down to small parts. This is mostly Stella stuff, but some scaling will happen. First:
FTL+ Dragon Spirit
Currently Stella does not have speed amp given to her due to Dragon Spirit cus i wasn't sure if it did give that, but apparently, yes it does, it amps her speed just the same. Here is Ouma blitzing base Stella:
"And so right now, I have released those shackles. Do you know what this means?"
"´¢×´¢×´¢×´¢×´¢×´¢×´¢×......!"
Stella hurriedly held up her sword from those words, but...
"Too slow."
"KuhÔöÇÔöÇ"
The stone plate ring crumbled under Ouma's kick off, and he shortened the distance between the two in just one step.
Next, he swung his wind-wrapped sword three times before any interference.
Three flashes of slash, accompanied by the groan of atmosphere, assaulted towards her.
Any one of those could turn Stella into a speck of dust in the same instant.
Fast. Compared to the speed of Twin-Wings's sword technique that Ikki imitated, that was moreÔöÇÔöÇ
Don't pay mind to that last "non-bolded part" cus it is not meant to be "it is faster than Ikki", it's just closer to Edelweiss' sword as ikki is shown to be far faster than Ouma later on. But anyway, after Ouma removed his "shackles" (armour), he start blitzing Stella hard. But here is what happens after Stella uses Dragon Spirit:
It was a roar that shook the atmosphereÔöÇÔöÇ
"Crimson Princess.....You, that voice, is......"
"Defend yourself. You may die."
Right after saying so, Stella crushed the distance of fifty meters between them with a speed similar to a bullet, arriving before Ouma's bosom.
And then she clenched her fist that was shining and then threw it at Ouma as if using her whole body behind it.
"ÔöÇÔöÇÔöÇÔöÇ!"
She broke through.
He could not dodge that fist.
This seems like enough of a proof that the amp does indeed include speed. As for the size of the amp:
As such, it was natural that the power output would be different.
Currently, Stella's physical ability was several tens of times greater than before.
So...30x is fair i guess.
This would put base Stella at a clean FTL+ rating.
Ouma scaling?
Yeah yeah we all kinda know the deal, ouma kinda kept up with Stella, but i don't think that's enough to warrant a FTL+ rating, but something that will get FTL+ rating is Amaterasu, Ouma's fastest sword strike. Even when used against DS Stella:
"Kyokujitsu Isshin RyuuÒâ╗Jin no Kyoku. ÔöÇÔöÇAmaterasu!"
"............!"
The white blade swung from the position after his body twisted to the limit fell onto Stella without a sound.
Despite just one strike, different from Ikki's Blade Steal, Ouma's Amaterasu, which had truly reached Twin-Wings's territory, exceeded the limit of reaction even for Stella with dragon's power dwelling inside her, Ryuuzume cut Stella's body diagonally.
It exceeded Stella's reaction speed even when she was in Dragon Spirit form. So that's a clean FTL+ for Amaterasu.
Ikki's Speed
Base Ikki, in volume 9 chapter 15, is actually far faster than he was before. And this is also proven when he clearly dodges strikes after Stella had already begun her attack:
But in the moment that he set himself to accept her thrust into his 'Madoka' counter, a vision of him losing his head flashed through his mind.
"…..!!!!"
Trusting in his intuition, Ikki shifted his neck to the right. In a moment, the wind pressure that was like a bullet passing through struck his eardrum.
(She created a vacuum next to my head with her sword..! What a thrust..!!)
He dodged her thrust at the last momet, more over, this Stella was stronger and faster than the time with Ouma.
She was faster and more powerful than he had expected. The air itself fled before her blade. The degree to which 'Dragon Spirit' increased her capabilities far exceeded Ikki's expectations. If he had received it with 'Madoka', his head would have been blown off if the timing didn't match. The possibility was insane.
"Faster and more powerful than he had expected". And his expectations are actually based off of her fight with Ouma.
And just as Ikki expected, she swung at him with the weight of her entire body behind her sword.
(I can counter this…!)
He had already determined what she was capable of and she was attacking just as he had predicted. The speed and angle were perfect. He can turn her own blade against her. And with this much power behind her swing, it would surely be enough to create an opening - which he'd use for 'Ittou Rasetsu'. Match over.
"!!!!!!!!!!!"
He tossed aside his plans as he flung himself out of the path of her blade. 'Laevateinn' slashed through empty air and struck the ground of the ring.
Furthermore, even before his last fight (which as stated by the comentator and analyst, he became faster than ever):
"Oho!! Kurogane has taken off! He isn't wasting any time! And he's fast!!"
"He is a knight with limited range. He has to bring the fight into his domain if anything is to happen. This was the obvious choice to make, but…"Kaieda kept a close watch. This speed was not normal. Ikki's rush this time was faster than anything they'd seen before.
Ikki had reacted to Amaterasu, and with Madoka no less (which needs a TON of movement, because he literally rotates after the attack), this is the previous expectation:
Ikki could now only move forwards.
As Ouma's Amaterasu would win in reach and speed, Ryuuzume would behead Ikki before Ikki's blade reached him.
but here:
Unfortunately, his stance was too poor.
With a position like that, there was no way he could take a blow with Ouma's weight.
"Onii-samaaa!"
Ouma crushed Ikki along with Intetsu with his weighted blow.
But in the moment it seemed that would happen, something nobody could believe happened before their eyes.
Somehow, in the next moment, the one who was blown away was Ouma.
So Ikki's a clean FTL+ for being significantly faster than both Ouma and even Stella after she had powered up (here is ikki Madoka-ing Stella just for more proof):
Stella moved to deliver finishing blow. In order to bring her victory in the Seven Stars, in order to for her to surpass the one she had chased for so long, this attack with her entire body would…!!!!
The blade slipped through muscle and bone with ease. The fresh blood that spurted into the air and splattered onto the white stone was a deeper crimson than the magma. The blood boiled as though it was on the verge of igniting.
"Eh………?"
It couldn't have been anyone else. It was the 'Crimson Princess' Stella Vermillion's, dragon blood.
"OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH!!!!"
"H-He's countered! Just when you thought the match was over! Kurogane Ikki, who looked to be down for the count, has just counter-attacked!! He's sliced across Stella from bottom to top! What a reversal!!"
"It- It was 'Madoka'! He took the force of her attack and turned it back on her! I… I can't believe it! How could he manage it!"
Stella's speed...again (But wait there's more)
Ikki uses Ittou Shura, the thing we accept as a 10x boost here, that would make him far faster than Stella...and well it does, but due to Stella's pretty crazy Accelerated Development:
(The attacks her blade is returning are rapidly getting faster!)
'Madoka' is a technique that receives the impact from a blade and returning it back through circulation by rotating the body, but among the exchange of countless sword attacks the speed of Stella's strikes were increasing and so the rotation's initial motion wouldn't make it in time. She's growing. In the midst of this raging battle, Stella's body, her sword, was evolving at tremendous speed to overcome him. At this rate, he would be overtaken by her next attack. But…
Ikki became incapable of taking her hits with something as slow as Madoka continuously because Stella was actually approaching him in speed, however due to the unfairness of "talent" there was no way Ikki could win in a battle of growth against her:
Ikki could see it. For just a moment it had suddenly appeared, black iron rings - steel chains wrapped around his limbs like snakes, binding his movements. Stella charged at the retreated Ikki, clearly aiming for the win. Her blade sliced through the air towards him. Ikki needed to use back Madoka to counter it, but….
CLANG!
The chains around his body were tight, the weight desperately preventing his movements as if being connected to a mountain.
"K-Kurogane can't attack back! Can't reach back! He's entirely on the defensive!"
"O-Onii-sama?!" Shizuku screamed at the sight of her brother being suddenly forced back. Next to her, Arisuin was similarly perplexed.
"Why?! It looks like Ikki's movements suddenly became dull…."
"Could it be, 'Ittou Shura's' limit-"
But,
"That's not it." Moroboshi refuted their thoughts. Being one of the strongest people in the country, he could see far more than the other two. "Ittou Shura is still active. His movements hadn't dulled. It just relatively looked that way."
"Relatively, you mean.."
"Kurogane suddenly can't keep up with the Princess's movements any more…!"
Stella grew so much that not even Ittou Shura Ikki could keep up with her movement. So this would put Stella at MFTL speed.
So the final word on Stella's speed:
"Likely SoL, will eventually become FTL+ (in base). FTL+, will eventually become MFTL (in Dragon Spirit)"
Does this look good or should i just put it using her final speed ratings: "FTL+ (in base), MFTL in Dragon Spirit"
I'll let you guys decide, i don't mind either way. Just keep in mind, that she reached those via Accelerated Development/Reactive Power Level
Trackless Step
Finally!!! I discussed with Risci a bit and we reached the conclusion that Trackless Step should be Hypnosis, however not Magaical Mind Manipulation, but a natural, real life like Hypnosis. So Hypnosis for all users of Trackless Step (Ikki, Nene, Touka, Stella).
Possible High 7-A Ikki
This:
(I can counter this…!)
He had already determined what she was capable of and she was attacking just as he had predicted. The speed and angle were perfect. He can turn her own blade against her. And with this much power behind her swing, it would surely be enough to create an opening - which he'd use for 'Ittou Rasetsu'. Match over.
"!!!!!!!!!!!"
Ikki was confident he could end the match using Ittou Rasetsu (before he became a desperado and before he used Oikage which we accept as hax, meaning that's the only reason ikki does not scale to Stella). And here is Stella also stating (after the long accelerated development we talked above) that Ittou Rasetsu would have ended the fight:
The 'Crownless Sword King' and the 'Crimson Princess'. The final crossing of their blades. The one that started to charge, -it was Stella. She had already abandoned long-ranged battle using 'Katharterio Salamandra'. The reason was simple. If 'Ittou Rasetsu' is activated, he would be inside her swing and striking her down before 'Katharterio Salamandra' could even land the strike. Even if she tried to distance herself from him, the result would be the same. With the speed of Ikki using 'Itto Rasetsu', he could charge across the sea of magma before the bottoms of his shoes would burn down.
There is no victory at backing away. Then forward it is.
So i will leave this up for vote. Should Ittou Rasetsu Ikki scale to High 7-A via being capable of 1 shotting a full power Dragon Spirit Stella even after massive development to her power?
However this would mean that Ittou Shura Ikki is superior in strength to Base Stella and idk how i feel about that, you can vote on this.
Ikki's Madoka
I've been constantly battered with requests to give Ikki a tier for Madoka (his Attack Reflection) and even though i highly disagree, whatever majority decides here.
Should Ikki get a tier for his Madoka?
If yes we gonna have to add a "At least High 7-A with Madoka" to base Ikki's key, and that's about it (obviously in Ittou Shura that capablity would be far higher than even 10x due to speed and other things like that helping, but i am not about to give ikki 3 more AP ratings for something as stupid as this. So just a single High 7-A and then do the math yourself).
FTL+ Dragon Spirit
Currently Stella does not have speed amp given to her due to Dragon Spirit cus i wasn't sure if it did give that, but apparently, yes it does, it amps her speed just the same. Here is Ouma blitzing base Stella:
"And so right now, I have released those shackles. Do you know what this means?"
"´¢×´¢×´¢×´¢×´¢×´¢×´¢×......!"
Stella hurriedly held up her sword from those words, but...
"Too slow."
"KuhÔöÇÔöÇ"
The stone plate ring crumbled under Ouma's kick off, and he shortened the distance between the two in just one step.
Next, he swung his wind-wrapped sword three times before any interference.
Three flashes of slash, accompanied by the groan of atmosphere, assaulted towards her.
Any one of those could turn Stella into a speck of dust in the same instant.
Fast. Compared to the speed of Twin-Wings's sword technique that Ikki imitated, that was moreÔöÇÔöÇ
Don't pay mind to that last "non-bolded part" cus it is not meant to be "it is faster than Ikki", it's just closer to Edelweiss' sword as ikki is shown to be far faster than Ouma later on. But anyway, after Ouma removed his "shackles" (armour), he start blitzing Stella hard. But here is what happens after Stella uses Dragon Spirit:
It was a roar that shook the atmosphereÔöÇÔöÇ
"Crimson Princess.....You, that voice, is......"
"Defend yourself. You may die."
Right after saying so, Stella crushed the distance of fifty meters between them with a speed similar to a bullet, arriving before Ouma's bosom.
And then she clenched her fist that was shining and then threw it at Ouma as if using her whole body behind it.
"ÔöÇÔöÇÔöÇÔöÇ!"
She broke through.
He could not dodge that fist.
This seems like enough of a proof that the amp does indeed include speed. As for the size of the amp:
As such, it was natural that the power output would be different.
Currently, Stella's physical ability was several tens of times greater than before.
So...30x is fair i guess.
This would put base Stella at a clean FTL+ rating.
Ouma scaling?
Yeah yeah we all kinda know the deal, ouma kinda kept up with Stella, but i don't think that's enough to warrant a FTL+ rating, but something that will get FTL+ rating is Amaterasu, Ouma's fastest sword strike. Even when used against DS Stella:
"Kyokujitsu Isshin RyuuÒâ╗Jin no Kyoku. ÔöÇÔöÇAmaterasu!"
"............!"
The white blade swung from the position after his body twisted to the limit fell onto Stella without a sound.
Despite just one strike, different from Ikki's Blade Steal, Ouma's Amaterasu, which had truly reached Twin-Wings's territory, exceeded the limit of reaction even for Stella with dragon's power dwelling inside her, Ryuuzume cut Stella's body diagonally.
It exceeded Stella's reaction speed even when she was in Dragon Spirit form. So that's a clean FTL+ for Amaterasu.
Ikki's Speed
Base Ikki, in volume 9 chapter 15, is actually far faster than he was before. And this is also proven when he clearly dodges strikes after Stella had already begun her attack:
But in the moment that he set himself to accept her thrust into his 'Madoka' counter, a vision of him losing his head flashed through his mind.
"…..!!!!"
Trusting in his intuition, Ikki shifted his neck to the right. In a moment, the wind pressure that was like a bullet passing through struck his eardrum.
(She created a vacuum next to my head with her sword..! What a thrust..!!)
He dodged her thrust at the last momet, more over, this Stella was stronger and faster than the time with Ouma.
She was faster and more powerful than he had expected. The air itself fled before her blade. The degree to which 'Dragon Spirit' increased her capabilities far exceeded Ikki's expectations. If he had received it with 'Madoka', his head would have been blown off if the timing didn't match. The possibility was insane.
"Faster and more powerful than he had expected". And his expectations are actually based off of her fight with Ouma.
And just as Ikki expected, she swung at him with the weight of her entire body behind her sword.
(I can counter this…!)
He had already determined what she was capable of and she was attacking just as he had predicted. The speed and angle were perfect. He can turn her own blade against her. And with this much power behind her swing, it would surely be enough to create an opening - which he'd use for 'Ittou Rasetsu'. Match over.
"!!!!!!!!!!!"
He tossed aside his plans as he flung himself out of the path of her blade. 'Laevateinn' slashed through empty air and struck the ground of the ring.
Furthermore, even before his last fight (which as stated by the comentator and analyst, he became faster than ever):
"Oho!! Kurogane has taken off! He isn't wasting any time! And he's fast!!"
"He is a knight with limited range. He has to bring the fight into his domain if anything is to happen. This was the obvious choice to make, but…"Kaieda kept a close watch. This speed was not normal. Ikki's rush this time was faster than anything they'd seen before.
Ikki had reacted to Amaterasu, and with Madoka no less (which needs a TON of movement, because he literally rotates after the attack), this is the previous expectation:
Ikki could now only move forwards.
As Ouma's Amaterasu would win in reach and speed, Ryuuzume would behead Ikki before Ikki's blade reached him.
but here:
Unfortunately, his stance was too poor.
With a position like that, there was no way he could take a blow with Ouma's weight.
"Onii-samaaa!"
Ouma crushed Ikki along with Intetsu with his weighted blow.
But in the moment it seemed that would happen, something nobody could believe happened before their eyes.
Somehow, in the next moment, the one who was blown away was Ouma.
So Ikki's a clean FTL+ for being significantly faster than both Ouma and even Stella after she had powered up (here is ikki Madoka-ing Stella just for more proof):
Stella moved to deliver finishing blow. In order to bring her victory in the Seven Stars, in order to for her to surpass the one she had chased for so long, this attack with her entire body would…!!!!
The blade slipped through muscle and bone with ease. The fresh blood that spurted into the air and splattered onto the white stone was a deeper crimson than the magma. The blood boiled as though it was on the verge of igniting.
"Eh………?"
It couldn't have been anyone else. It was the 'Crimson Princess' Stella Vermillion's, dragon blood.
"OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH!!!!"
"H-He's countered! Just when you thought the match was over! Kurogane Ikki, who looked to be down for the count, has just counter-attacked!! He's sliced across Stella from bottom to top! What a reversal!!"
"It- It was 'Madoka'! He took the force of her attack and turned it back on her! I… I can't believe it! How could he manage it!"
Stella's speed...again (But wait there's more)
Ikki uses Ittou Shura, the thing we accept as a 10x boost here, that would make him far faster than Stella...and well it does, but due to Stella's pretty crazy Accelerated Development:
(The attacks her blade is returning are rapidly getting faster!)
'Madoka' is a technique that receives the impact from a blade and returning it back through circulation by rotating the body, but among the exchange of countless sword attacks the speed of Stella's strikes were increasing and so the rotation's initial motion wouldn't make it in time. She's growing. In the midst of this raging battle, Stella's body, her sword, was evolving at tremendous speed to overcome him. At this rate, he would be overtaken by her next attack. But…
Ikki became incapable of taking her hits with something as slow as Madoka continuously because Stella was actually approaching him in speed, however due to the unfairness of "talent" there was no way Ikki could win in a battle of growth against her:
Ikki could see it. For just a moment it had suddenly appeared, black iron rings - steel chains wrapped around his limbs like snakes, binding his movements. Stella charged at the retreated Ikki, clearly aiming for the win. Her blade sliced through the air towards him. Ikki needed to use back Madoka to counter it, but….
CLANG!
The chains around his body were tight, the weight desperately preventing his movements as if being connected to a mountain.
"K-Kurogane can't attack back! Can't reach back! He's entirely on the defensive!"
"O-Onii-sama?!" Shizuku screamed at the sight of her brother being suddenly forced back. Next to her, Arisuin was similarly perplexed.
"Why?! It looks like Ikki's movements suddenly became dull…."
"Could it be, 'Ittou Shura's' limit-"
But,
"That's not it." Moroboshi refuted their thoughts. Being one of the strongest people in the country, he could see far more than the other two. "Ittou Shura is still active. His movements hadn't dulled. It just relatively looked that way."
"Relatively, you mean.."
"Kurogane suddenly can't keep up with the Princess's movements any more…!"
Stella grew so much that not even Ittou Shura Ikki could keep up with her movement. So this would put Stella at MFTL speed.
So the final word on Stella's speed:
"Likely SoL, will eventually become FTL+ (in base). FTL+, will eventually become MFTL (in Dragon Spirit)"
Does this look good or should i just put it using her final speed ratings: "FTL+ (in base), MFTL in Dragon Spirit"
I'll let you guys decide, i don't mind either way. Just keep in mind, that she reached those via Accelerated Development/Reactive Power Level
Trackless Step
Finally!!! I discussed with Risci a bit and we reached the conclusion that Trackless Step should be Hypnosis, however not Magaical Mind Manipulation, but a natural, real life like Hypnosis. So Hypnosis for all users of Trackless Step (Ikki, Nene, Touka, Stella).
Possible High 7-A Ikki
This:
(I can counter this…!)
He had already determined what she was capable of and she was attacking just as he had predicted. The speed and angle were perfect. He can turn her own blade against her. And with this much power behind her swing, it would surely be enough to create an opening - which he'd use for 'Ittou Rasetsu'. Match over.
"!!!!!!!!!!!"
Ikki was confident he could end the match using Ittou Rasetsu (before he became a desperado and before he used Oikage which we accept as hax, meaning that's the only reason ikki does not scale to Stella). And here is Stella also stating (after the long accelerated development we talked above) that Ittou Rasetsu would have ended the fight:
The 'Crownless Sword King' and the 'Crimson Princess'. The final crossing of their blades. The one that started to charge, -it was Stella. She had already abandoned long-ranged battle using 'Katharterio Salamandra'. The reason was simple. If 'Ittou Rasetsu' is activated, he would be inside her swing and striking her down before 'Katharterio Salamandra' could even land the strike. Even if she tried to distance herself from him, the result would be the same. With the speed of Ikki using 'Itto Rasetsu', he could charge across the sea of magma before the bottoms of his shoes would burn down.
There is no victory at backing away. Then forward it is.
So i will leave this up for vote. Should Ittou Rasetsu Ikki scale to High 7-A via being capable of 1 shotting a full power Dragon Spirit Stella even after massive development to her power?
However this would mean that Ittou Shura Ikki is superior in strength to Base Stella and idk how i feel about that, you can vote on this.
Ikki's Madoka
I've been constantly battered with requests to give Ikki a tier for Madoka (his Attack Reflection) and even though i highly disagree, whatever majority decides here.
Should Ikki get a tier for his Madoka?
If yes we gonna have to add a "At least High 7-A with Madoka" to base Ikki's key, and that's about it (obviously in Ittou Shura that capablity would be far higher than even 10x due to speed and other things like that helping, but i am not about to give ikki 3 more AP ratings for something as stupid as this. So just a single High 7-A and then do the math yourself).
