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Raikou vs Asta

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Rez said:
It allows for consideration of all possible actions in a situation and it allowed archer to hold his own against Sasaki a servant who speed wise should be able to pretty much blitz him
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I don't see how seeing all possible outcomes is better than seeing the one that will actually happen. And Ki also allows Asta to keep up with characters that blitzes him

Even if she dealt with characters with Asta's level of Precog, Asta has fought people that could both outspeed him and deal with his Precog, so it's nothing new to him
 
Epsilon_R said:
I don't see how seeing all possible outcomes is better than seeing the one that will actually happen. And Ki also allows Asta to keep up with characters that blitzes him
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It also shows the best course of action to take
 
Loyd said:
your sentence confused me who had the actual precog
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Oh yeah I guess I didn't finish it. Whst i keant is that on virtue pf eam being superior to instinct it should reach the realm pf precog too, but EoM and b and - instinct don't
 
Loyd said:
where does it say the best course of action to take?
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From fate extra material
Capable of calm analysis of the abilities of the opponent as well as the battle conditions even when in danger and deduce an appropriate course of action after considering all possibilities to escape from a predicament.
 
im reading the description and EAM is basically fighting at 100% despite the mental hindrance how is that greater then 6th sense or near precog
 
Rez said:
How is this not better?
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i was refering to this
Rez said:
From fate extra material
Capable of calm analysis of the abilities of the opponent as well as the battle conditions even when in danger and deduce an appropriate course of action after considering all possibilities to escape from a predicament.
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can i see that scan?
 
Loyd said:
i was refering to this

can i see that scan?
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It's in japanase fan translations are on wiki
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Mind's Eye (True)

Mind's Eye (True) (心眼 (真), Shingan (Shin)?, localized as "Eye of the Mind"EXT) is a heightened capacity for observation, refined through training, discipline and experience. A danger-avoidance ability that utilizes the intelligence collected up to the current time as the basis in order to...
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Loyd said:
im reading the description and EAM is basically fighting at 100% despite the mental hindrance how is that greater then 6th sense or near precog
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"Mastership of combat arts has reached the point of being said to be unrivaled in one's era."
It's tied to being the best. Again, the near precog and 6th sense comes from skills, and raikou has better skills
 
Loyd said:
oh thats the A rank you referenced i don't disagree
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From EMIYA's profile in fgo
Mind's Eye (True): B
Powers of observation granted from training and practice.
Can calmly assess one's position and an enemy's powers even in a crisis. He possesses a combat logic that can find the only remaining path. If the chance to win exists even at 1%, he can find that chance and make it a reality.
On the surface it is similar to Intuition.
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EMIYA

EMIYA can be summoned from the tutorial summon. He shares the exact HP values at both minimum and maximum with Anne Bonny & Mary Read (Archer). He shares the exact HP values at minimum with Stheno, Nitocris (Assassin) and Li Shuwen. EMIYA's Stage 2 Weapon is based on Beowulf's weapon, Hrunting...
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this is the description only from the site: prevents degradation of fighting skills when under the effect of mental hindrance
TypeOU said:
Mastership of combat arts has reached the point of being said to be unrivaled in One's era
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a personnal skill she got for being super skilled during her time > which gives her 100% fighting capability no matter the duress
your conjecture is EAM is greater then minds eye and instinct
is thr a statement for this?

and a follow up question is her skill greater then people who only have instinct and minds eye?
 
Rez said:
From EMIYA's profile in fgo
Mind's Eye (True): B
Powers of observation granted from training and practice.
Can calmly assess one's position and an enemy's powers even in a crisis. He possesses a combat logic that can find the only remaining path. If the chance to win exists even at 1%, he can find that chance and make it a reality.
On the surface it is similar to Intuition.
fategrandorder.fandom.com

EMIYA

EMIYA can be summoned from the tutorial summon. He shares the exact HP values at both minimum and maximum with Anne Bonny & Mary Read (Archer). He shares the exact HP values at minimum with Stheno, Nitocris (Assassin) and Li Shuwen. EMIYA's Stage 2 Weapon is based on Beowulf's weapon, Hrunting...
fategrandorder.fandom.com fategrandorder.fandom.com
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what takes precedence fgo or the novel game?
because the description for the scan above says takes consideration of all possible actions in a particular situation that doesnt equal the best course of action
 
Loyd said:
what takes precedence fgo or the novel game?
because the description for the scan above says takes consideration of all possible actions in a particular situation that doesnt equal the best course of action
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It's all canon and the previous scans don't contradict anything and also fgo happens after extra so I will say fgo takes more precedence
 
Loyd said:
this is the description only from the site: prevents degradation of fighting skills when under the effect of mental hindrance

a personnal skill she got for being super skilled during her time > which gives her 100% fighting capability no matter the duress
your conjecture is EAM is greater then minds eye and instinct
is thr a statement for this?

and a follow up question is her skill greater then people who only have instinct and minds eye?
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Eam is the fighting skill for the greatest warrior (best of an era, so great even madness cant stop them), and raikou has it at the same rank as lancelot, meaning she should have similar level of fighting skills. Lancelot is above artoria who has instinct. The skill is also a composite of skill and instinct, seeing how raikou skills are highlighted while berserker lancelot can perform incredible feats by instinct. Well at the very least she definitively has eom near precog at a higher level, even assuming she doesn't have instinct's
 
TypeOU said:
Eam is the fighting skill for the greatest warrior (best of an era, so great even madness cant stop them), and raikou has it at the same rank as lancelot, meaning she should have similar level of fighting skills. Lancelot is above artoria who has instinct. The skill is also a composite of skill and instinct, seeing how raikou skills are highlighted while berserker lancelot can perform incredible feats by instinct. Well at the very least she definitively has eom near precog at a higher level, even assuming she doesn't have instinct's
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ok

i don't think theres a vote anymore..
 
Well, we've established raikou is the most skilled of her era, has the same EAM ranking as lancelot whos the most skilled of his era who is above saber who has A rank instincts so it should be a good fight against asta now.
 
Only now I woke up, yes, the only other character with Eternal Arms Mastery A+ is Lancelot who can face Mordred (Instinct B, and she at the same time can win a figth against other dude who literally see the future) or Artoria (Instinct A).

A character that she directly faced and skill stomped was Suzuka Gozen, Suzuka needed her second NP that made her a super computer to only scratch the cheek of Raikou after a long figth while Suzuka herself was battered. Suzuka in the end won because she futher used her third NP (which let free her divinity and make her a computer equal to the Moon Cell) while Raikou didn't used her own trump card (no Ox-King, another thing)

Edit: Another thing I forgot and saw mentioned, servants also sense the intentions of others, there was currently a crt adding this.
 
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TypeOU said:
Did it happen during heian kyo?
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The battle of Suzuka vs Raikou? No, it was in the manga of Extra, in Heian-kyo I know Suzuka appear as enemy but don't know how is the figth aside from the fact that she is demonic and figth along with Touta.
 
Raikpu 7/10 for all the reasons mentionned above (skill, mana burst lightning, her np eradicating asta, mystery slayer)
 
TypeOU said:
Thought the votes were removed
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Nope, as far as i know the vote didn't removed. For Raikou It start from me and then you, Loyd, and Rez while for Asta it start from Epilson, Popted, and Milly (again, asumpting he voted as well)

And now Raikou got a five votes with Monkey vote
 
TrueKingOfHeroes said:
I see raikou has better precog and she also has higher AP than asta

Don't know what wincon asta is here, and then..

I will vote Raikou FRA
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Correction, Raikou doesn't have a precog

Asta has Reactive Power Level and some shit, you can readed Milly arguments above

Still counted tho, and that's a grace
 
TrueKingOfHeroes said:
I see raikou has better precog and she also has higher AP than asta

Don't know what wincon asta is here, and then..

I will vote Raikou FRA
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1. She doesn't have Precog

2. Asta has the higher AP

3. Asta can one shot her as he one shot characters that are just as strong as her AP wise, has superior speed amp + Precog + RPL and Near instant Accelerated Development. In fact, now that NP and Black Divider were restricted, I don't know what Raikou has for her aside from skill.
 
Pretty sure they weren't restricted though?

Raikou has:
skills
better precog (asta<eotm<raikou)
better ultimate (the instant someone use it asta pretty much lose as raikou would react to him with her np 10/10)
mana burst lightning (only before asta transform, or maybe after too idk it seems to work pretty well against servant with magic resistance)
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Asta has:
better stats (only before tranforming since raikou has mystery slayer as an amp)
RPL (only if he's losing?)
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Not sure about the speed amp part sonce mystery slayer should do that too
 
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