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What's the exact AP of it? Because depending of it Raikou could figth it and at worst just use her NP, and it isn't a first move rigth?
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Raikou vs Asta
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Epsilon_R
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Can one shot constructs with 851 Gigatons Durability. And he uses it if Black Asta isn't enough to defeat the opponent.
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Ok, then should be enough to a fight happen before it come to play and if that point is reached then Raikou can use her NP.
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Np are quick to be used, and the moment he call the sword she will use her np
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You mean that even without Black Divider he one-shot Raikou without her clones? Because that's not the case.
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But is there a specific reason why she would use it at that specific moment when she wouldn't know how strong it is?
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I mean, currently even servants with Rank D Strength are 26 GT and she is Rank A, and Mystery Killer passively buff her against mystery beings to the point that even to others Rank A she is strong, so I don't think there is really much difference in AP.
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Servant can tank A rank NP with not much problem who are 90~gigatons
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Raikou is good at analysis the strength of thing and servant have the habitude of surprise big atk because NP
Loyd
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scan for that?
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It's like a basic skill of servant to? We litteraly see it in each GW. They litteraly can sense the strengh of other people and can sense the danger of their weapon (litteraly why people find EA or excalibur dangerous at sight or how musashi knew that rider raikou was stronger than her just by seing her)
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be more specific
might want to add energy sense to the servant physiology then
you made it sound like raikou had a feat showing it or info manip is all,
if asta pulls out black divider does it release a overwhelming aura?
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Right, i forgot about Raikou mystery killer
As for Mana Burst Lightning, i doubt the AoE would be that massive as Salter Mana Burst with it's ultra massive AoE
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Her profile says hundred of meters range, and the aoe shouldn't be too different, simply surrounding asta is more than enough too
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Asta is everything BUT magic
TypeOU
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"Anti Magic 「反アンチ魔法 Anchi Mahō」 is an energy that is capable of nullifying other forms of magic. Black asta basivally fill his body with it
In mana burst case, it does, and you didn't show him deflecting the attack. I don't really see how he could since he mus reflect it with his sword either
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Well that even made mystery killer more effective, or i'm misunderstanding it lel
TypeOU
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Nah mystery killer is anti mystery (who would have guess) so anything short of a normal human (base asta) should be affected
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Anyway, i'm voting Raikou for now, the sheer amount of stats amps she had (mana burst and anti-mystery gimmick) can be a troublesome, her NP that sit in small country level can overpower Black Divider, and the skill gap between Asta and Raikou so even if Asta can mimic Raikou battle style, his skill can't matched Raikou skill
I give Raikou win 7/10
I give Raikou win 7/10
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"Mystery Killer: Raikou was known as the greatest "Mystery Killer" of her era, slaying countless monsters, demons, apparitions, and laying waste to the bastions of the supernatural in the name of defending Kyoto. As a result, she gains bonuses to her parameters when facing those who utilize magical techniques or wield magical equipment"
Asta doesn't magic at all. And I don't see anything implying Anti-Magic would be included in it.
If you have a scan, sure. but even then, Asta has his passive powernull and, if it's necessary, Demon Destroyer to deal with Mana Burst.
I don't get that part.
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Anti magic is litterally called magic in its description
Gonna search the scan in 10~20 minutes, busy right now. What does he null exactly? And does he need to be transformed or something?
I'm saying that it wouldn't make sense for asta to be able to deflect ape magic considering how his ability works
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I'm voting Asta.
He too has amps in power and speed and more than likely has the advantage in the latter (because of Luck), and can amp himself again by using more Anti-Magic (granted it's a double edge sword). He also has precog so even if she somehow ends up faster than him, it shouldn't be a problem.
Black Divider would deal with everything she throws at him except her final blow, if she can hit him with it since I still don't know what this blow looks like.
I'm also not very convinced on Raikou using NP right when Asta uses BD
He too has amps in power and speed and more than likely has the advantage in the latter (because of Luck), and can amp himself again by using more Anti-Magic (granted it's a double edge sword). He also has precog so even if she somehow ends up faster than him, it shouldn't be a problem.
Black Divider would deal with everything she throws at him except her final blow, if she can hit him with it since I still don't know what this blow looks like.
I'm also not very convinced on Raikou using NP right when Asta uses BD
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Epsilon_R
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The whole gimmick of Asta is that he doesn't have Magic. The manga has like a hundred of statements about Asta not using magic.
He nulls everything that's Magic based.
Now, I get it. So no he won't be able to deflect that, only the lightning.
He should still be able to nullify part of it with Anti-Magic tho.
TypeOU
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Like I said, it wouldn't work against base asta, but black asta is filled with anti magic, which is actually a kind of magic according to materials
But it's on black asta, not regular asta (according to his profile). Raikou should be able to fight black asta physically (especially with the buff) and her np should work
Yep
Epsilon_R
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Even Black Asta. AM is the power of his devil but even the devil doesn't have magic
"Anti-Magic Swords: Anti-Magic (Asta uses swords that are imbued of the mysterious Anti-Magic energy, each of them having different shape and abilities. With those swords, he can easily cut through any magic attribute with incredible ease regardless of the shape of the spell [...] Anyone taking a clean hit from those swords will be unable to use magic for a variable period of time. The more Anti-Magic Asta uses, the more potent his nullification becomes)"
The only thing exclusive to Black Asta is the passive Anti-Magic
TypeOU
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Again, anti magic is litterally called magic, either he didn't have magic before or he doesn't have magical energy. Also I'm pretty sure raikou is supposed to be buffed against demons
"The declaration that she was the strongest Mystery Slayer of the Heian period becoming a Skill. It is particularly effective as Anti-Mystery"
Mystery=pretty much anything supernatural
Yeah, I meant they his body only nulls as black asta, of course the sword does
Epsilon_R
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If you're taking what the profile says, which is clearly a wording issue, over what the source material says, I don't know what to say.
Not only in Black Clover, you can't use magic without MP, making the use of Anti-Magic impossible if it actually was magic, the characters literally says it's not magic.
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It was from the wikia but you're right, the source doesn't say anything about it being magic. Sorry
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Anyway with mystery slayer working because demon I think they're pretty close without their ultimate, maybe with a slight advantage to asta once transformed (thanks to negating mana burst) and raikou before (although he massively outstat her, she massively outskill him and has mana burst lightning), but raikou np is waaay better than anything asta has and basically an instant win button
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