R>F Off Panel Sonic Key

[Hypercyber37]

Off Panel is the final and strangest level of reality yet; one that sees the entirety of the events within the comic as a mere fictional comic book. It first appeared under the official title of Off Panel in Issue #67, but was featured several throughout the series with their own (often gag-related or 4th wall breaking) short stories.

In Off Panel, "SEPERATE VERSIONS OF THE CHARACTER EXITS" For example, Sonic makes commentary on the release of Sonic Adventure 2 compared to the release of the Archie:

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An Off Panel version of Sally needs to approve scripts of issues.

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The Editor and Off Panel Sonic have "plotting sessions", in which they enact various scenarios. Here, Sonic "fights"

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Off Panel Sonic and the Editor's Avatar play Sonic Adventure in celebration of the Sonic Adventure tie-in comic

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Agree: @Bernkastelll @Shiedaisthepeak @Debates-Fans @NucleerChaos1922 @TyraexgSama @Qawsedf234 @Llllkklklk @Rockysbalboa @ShakeResounding
@Livinmeme @Wankbreaker @Theuser789 @McFriesGuy075
Disagree:
Neutral: @ZothythoTheNephalem

 

[Theuser789]

I guess this is valid and already accepted as R>F in the pages, but this only affects the deadline page for now.

 

[Hypercyber37]

I guess this is valid and already accepted as R>F in the pages, but this only affects the deadline page for now.

I mean Off Panel is Canon for Archie Comic. If Sonic in Off Panel is a different Sonic, then Sonic in Archie Comic is just a fiction for Off Panel Sonic. Everyone on Off Panel is transcendental beings for Archie Comics characters

 

[Theuser789]

There's no Off-Panel Sonic page which is why I mentioned only Deadline would be affected by this.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

There's no Off-Panel Sonic page which is why I mentioned only Deadline would be affected by this.

Deadpanel can indeed be linked directly to Archie. Yes, they are very different, but at the very least, it should be incorporated into Archie's profile.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Off Panel is the final and strangest level of reality yet; one that sees the entirety of the events within the comic as a mere fictional comic book. It first appeared under the official title of Off Panel in Issue #67, but was featured several throughout the series with their own (often gag-related or 4th wall breaking) short stories.

Based on my understanding of the universe, this is an inaccessible r>f, as no Sonic character (within the fiction) has ever accessed this realm of writers. Sonic is merely depicted as a different manifestation known only here, which can be inferred from his self-awareness. Therefore, I don’t find it unreasonable to place him in the 1A category it seems entirely logical. You can consider me in agreement with this perspective.

 

[Theuser789]

Deadpanel can indeed be linked directly to Archie. Yes, they are very different, but at the very least, it should be incorporated into Archie's profile.

Someone can either make a key or a page for Off-Panel Sonic explaining how he isn't the same Sonic from the main comic.

 

[Hypercyber37]

Someone can either make a key or a page for Off-Panel Sonic explaining how he isn't the same Sonic from the main comic.

Archie Sonic is Off Panel Sonic's avatar in Comic. Archie Sonic acknowledges the existence of Off Panel in some chapters.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Someone can either make a key or a page for Off-Panel Sonic explaining how he isn't the same Sonic from the main comic.

I agree with this idea as well yes, it can be done.

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

This is weird since if Off-Panel is R>F yet Deadline is somehow the exception, wouldn't Dragon Ball Heroes have R>F arguments as well due to its stuff despite the events in the game somehow also effecting the "Real World". Would that make it any exception? It feels like if we make exceptions here, we'd have to make exceptions for other cases just like this.

 

[Debates-Fans]

Seems legit

 

[Huesito88]

This is weird since if Off-Panel is R>F yet Deadline is somehow the exception, wouldn't Dragon Ball Heroes have R>F arguments as well due to its stuff despite the events in the game somehow also effecting the "Real World". Would that make it any exception? It feels like if we make exceptions here, we'd have to make exceptions for other cases just like this.

Discuss that in a seperate Q and A thread or go and talk about that in the DBH Discussion thread

 

[Livinmeme]

This is weird since if Off-Panel is R>F yet Deadline is somehow the exception, wouldn't Dragon Ball Heroes have R>F arguments as well due to its stuff despite the events in the game somehow also effecting the "Real World". Would that make it any exception? It feels like if we make exceptions here, we'd have to make exceptions for other cases just like this.

DBH isn't R>F as the "real world" takes place in an isolated part of the multiverse, IIRC

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Discuss that in a seperate Q and A thread or go and talk about that in the DBH Discussion thread

I'm not trying to argue that DBH is R>F, I'm making a comparison. If we didn't make an exception there, why are we doing it now for Off-Panel is my question.

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

DBH isn't R>F as the "real world" takes place in an isolated part of the multiverse, IIRC

Then what about the case here? If Deadline travels to Archie and to the Off-Panel, what is Off-Panel to the Archie World? How does he even do that?

 

[Theuser789]

This is weird since if Off-Panel is R>F yet Deadline is somehow the exception, wouldn't Dragon Ball Heroes have R>F arguments as well due to its stuff despite the events in the game somehow also effecting the "Real World". Would that make it any exception? It feels like if we make exceptions here, we'd have to make exceptions for other cases just like this.

Deadline isn't the exception, his page is just outdated.

 

[Hypercyber37]

Then what about the case here? If Deadline travels to Archie and to the Off-Panel, what is Off-Panel to the Archie World? How does he even do that?

deadline should also increase to 1-A. His profile states that he considers Archie Comics to be fiction. Everyone in the off panel must be 1-A because they are independent of how they are in the comics.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

I'm not trying to argue that DBH is R>F, I'm making a comparison. If we didn't make an exception there, why are we doing it now for Off-Panel is my question.

You can understand that it is adapted to Off Panel from this comment.

Based on my understanding of the universe, this is an inaccessible r>f, as no Sonic character (within the fiction) has ever accessed this realm of writers. Sonic is merely depicted as a different manifestation known only here, which can be inferred from his self-awareness. Therefore, I don’t find it unreasonable to place him in the 1A category it seems entirely logical. You can consider me in agreement with this perspective.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Then what about the case here? If Deadline travels to Archie and to the Off-Panel, what is Off-Panel to the Archie World? How does he even do that?

Writing them is one thing, and containing them is another, but nothing within the fiction can reach Off Panel, nor has it ever reached it.

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

You can understand that it is adapted to Off Panel from this comment.

I suppose it's reasonable. I remember someone somewhere saying that the Archie Characters were aware of them being in a comic, doing scripts, etc etc, but they never provided any scans for that since they were talking about it in relation to Off-Panel, which would tip the scales a little (no pun intended) if it were true. If Off-Panel is as it currently seems by this post, by all accounts it is reasonable.

The Archie fans are gonna be raving about THIS one for years and years and never shut up about it when using it as a debate piece LMAO

 

[Hypercyber37]

I suppose it's reasonable. I remember someone somewhere saying that the Archie Characters were aware of them being in a comic, doing scripts, etc etc, but they never provided any scans for that since they were talking about it in relation to Off-Panel, which would tip the scales a little (no pun intended) if it were true. If Off-Panel is as it currently seems by this post, by all accounts it is reasonable.

The Archie fans are gonna be raving about THIS one for years and years and never shut up about it when using it as a debate piece LMAO

So you agreed this?

 

[Hypercyber37]

Deadline isn't the exception, his page is just outdated.

Now You agreed this?

 

[Hypercyber37]

Agreed this?

Seems legit

 

[ZothythoTheNephalem]

So you agreed this?

I'm staying neutral. Wanna hear what other people have to say. I'm not a true archiehead, so I'd like to see what others add and observe their arguments.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

I'm staying neutral. Wanna hear what other people have to say. I'm not a true archiehead, so I'd like to see what others add and observe their arguments.

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts!

 

[Theuser789]

Now You agreed this?

I agree with this only for Off-Panel characters, yes.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

I agree with this only for Off-Panel characters, yes.

It's not very detailed, and I'm not entirely sure how to make a user blog , but I thought it might interest you, so I left it here

Sonic Off Panel

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[ZothythoTheNephalem]

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts!

Just want to see other perspectives so I have more insight on the situation before making a stance on this thread considering I'm not as knowledgeable on the subject as others who more deeply research Archie.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Just want to see other perspectives so I have more insight on the situation before making a stance on this thread considering I'm not as knowledgeable on the subject as others who more deeply research Archie.

Of course, I respect this idea.

 

[Theuser789]

It's not very detailed, and I'm not entirely sure how to make a user blog , but I thought it might interest you, so I left it here

Sonic Off Panel

vsbattles.fandom.com

This is an extremely rough blog but with good work it can be a good page.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

This is an extremely rough blog but with good work it can be a good page.

Yes, I’m aware, but I think it’s at least an example or usable (even if it’s terrible ).

 

[Bernkastelll]

Of course I agree, but as the others said; only off-panel characters

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

If this CRT is accepted, I will open a revision for High 1-A+

 

[Hypercyber37]

Of course I agree, but as the others said; only off-panel characters

So, an Off Panel switch will be introduced for characters such as Sonic, Knuckles, Shadow and Deadline's profile will be replaced with 1-A, right?

 

[Hypercyber37]

If this CRT is accepted, I will open a revision for High 1-A+

G.O.A.T

 

[McFriesGuy075]

I dunno, Shake said he might make a downgrade for Off-Panel as he said he doesn't think it qualifies for true R>F. But we'll see how that goes.

That Off-Panel Sonic blog needs a lot more care put into it, are we sure that we should give him all the abilities of Archie Sonic from the prime world? Is there even a basis for that? Because that would be like giving all the alternate Archie Sonics the abilities that the true one has.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

I dunno, Shake said he might make a downgrade for Off-Panel as he said he doesn't think it qualifies for true R>F. But we'll see how that goes.

Alright, as I mentioned above, I don't see any issue with Off Panel lacking a qualitative transcendence, nor do I think it would count as an anti-feat

Based on my understanding of the universe, this is an inaccessible r>f, as no Sonic character (within the fiction) has ever accessed this realm of writers. Sonic is merely depicted as a different manifestation known only here, which can be inferred from his self-awareness. Therefore, I don’t find it unreasonable to place him in the 1A category it seems entirely logical. You can consider me in agreement with this perspective.

That Off-Panel Sonic blog needs a lot more care put into it, are we sure that we should give him all the abilities of Archie Sonic from the prime world? Is there even a basis for that? Because that would be like giving all the alternate Archie Sonics the abilities that the true one has.

We know he is one of the writers, and this is listed as plot manipulation on the Archie profile. However, the truth is, if Off Panel Sonic has written or has the potential to write all the narratives, I believe he should also inherit all the haxes of every Sonic. Of course, the blog is still open for discussion, but our main focus right now is R>F, so we can save the hax discussion for later.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

As no Sonic character (within the fiction) has ever accessed this realm of writers.

So.... Like, how the below image should be explained then?

 

[Hypercyber37]

So.... Like, how the below image should be explained then?

This is Off Panel Sonic. He says he will write it himself today because the writers are on vacation.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

So.... Like, how the below image should be explained then?

This is already an off panel, no Sonic figure or similar alternative in the fiction could break the 4th wall of Sonic, which is why they have different manifestations as CRT is said and the comic you posted is already an off panel and it has nothing to do with the Sonic in the fiction. Off panel sonic, as it is known, is already a writer.

So.... Like, how the below image should be explained then?

And I should also point out that in order for there to be any anti-feat for the off panel, there needs to be a structure that reaches the Off Panel in the comic book in a serious sense, rather than Sonic appearing in the off panel at the end of the comic, which unfortunately does not exist.

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We know that Off Panel often impersonates writers so it wouldn't make sense to treat this as Archie. Thanks for your feedback!