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R>F Off Panel Sonic
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wait
how is it R>F if the characters have been shown to be 3-D beings
how is it R>F if the characters have been shown to be 3-D beings
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One of the 1A requirements is that they require help from another higher being to ascend them to a higher reality. I am not even seeing any of that here.
If there are statements that they transcend dimensions and become a higher plane of existence then sure. If so I will be neutral with this but that is not the case here
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They don't... because different characters. As I stated in the title. Off Panel Sonic and Archie Sonic are not the same Sonic
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Off Panel isn’t 1-A?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ShakeResounding/Archie_Sonic_the_Hedgehog%27s_Cosmology_(Pre-SGW) off panel is canon for archie comics. (off panel) If Sonic is not the same person in the novels and the game, then (Off panel) wouldn't it be Sonic 1-A? shouldn't archie sonic have a...
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Yes, what I said is stated here.Off Panel isn’t 1-A?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ShakeResounding/Archie_Sonic_the_Hedgehog%27s_Cosmology_(Pre-SGW) off panel is canon for archie comics. (off panel) If Sonic is not the same person in the novels and the game, then (Off panel) wouldn't it be Sonic 1-A? shouldn't archie sonic have a...vsbattles.com
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Looks great. I think Sonic should be upgraded with the new system. Good job.
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Arigatto^^
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I am gonna be honest here, 4th wall breaking is by no means a qualification for R>F...
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That and another is that this isn't really a part of the archie setting at all and is just a (fourth wall breaking) extra (which doesnt have any place to actually be scaled).
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It doesn't break the 4th wall. Even though I state in capital letters that the characters in Off Panel are not the same as those in the novel, everyone makes the same mistake.
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It's funny that you're making fun of me, but you haven't read the main part of CRT and in additional contexts, this is not a 4th wall break, this is a world of writers where all fiction comes together and there are only writers, independent of cosmology, and there is a qualitative transcendence that sees the whole story as a game and a comic book.
You can also read these for more detailed explanation.
I hope I was not misunderstood, thank you again for expressing your opinions!
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This is not just 4th wall awareness or imnersion, as I said, it is literally a writer who sees the whole story as inaccessible, independent and literally sees them as something smaller, a part of the fiction.
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Again, I say, if you examine more examples I have given, you may come to a different conclusion, but let me explain again, this is not a 4th wall awareness, but a transcendental realm where the writers are in a higher reality where all the realities below them cannot reach them.
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It is meant to be a comedic and funny scene how does it disregard with anything i said ? You cannot tell me that the author intentionally made that for the purpose of scaling their characters .
It isnt a real feat of sonic stop treating as if everything can be measured by the tiering system
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Looking at something as fiction is not the only thing you have to take into account for. You should learn more about the qualification for Outerversal rating
Also when did i made fun of you ?
The scans you guys present are vague and it is more into 4th wall shenanigans or plot manipulation therefore I disagree simple as that
You think I agree with KEVIN and Bugs Bunny having a 1A profile ? Obviously not
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Do you think I defended this?"
I need to point out that there is a significant difference between these, and that you have misunderstood Sonic's R>Fs.
Alright, I’ll explain everything from the beginning. I have utmost respect for your opinion, but I would at least request that you listen. The scans we presented are from a realm that encompasses everything in the writer's world, one that truly writes the narrative and views them as stories—an inaccessible realm. This realm is already being accepted (you can understand this by reading Page 1). The qualitative transcendence of this realm is something that no game or comic can access, because it is a place beyond the reach of the narrative itself. That’s why we treat it as a qualitative transcendence. I hope I’ve managed to explain myself.
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I apologize for this one,mb
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I will say Off-Panel should not have all of Archie's abilities at all. He should only have the abilities he shows in off-panel. This argument is about how Off-Panel Sonic sees Archie Sonic as fiction, so they can't be the same people. I am also switching myself to neutral in thus thread.
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I totally agreeOff Panel is the final and strangest level of reality yet; one that sees the entirety of the events within the comic as a mere fictional comic book. It first appeared under the official title of Off Panel in Issue #67, but was featured several throughout the series with their own (often gag-related or 4th wall breaking) short stories.
In Off Panel, "SEPERATE VERSIONS OF THE CHARACTER EXITS" For example, Sonic makes commentary on the release of Sonic Adventure 2 compared to the release of the Archie:
An Off Panel version of Sally needs to approve scripts of issues.
The Editor and Off Panel Sonic have "plotting sessions", in which they enact various scenarios. Here, Sonic "fights"
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Image Editor-s-Avatar-and-4th-Wall-Sonic-Plot in Nameless's images albumibb.co
Off Panel Sonic and the Editor's Avatar play Sonic Adventure in celebration of the Sonic Adventure tie-in comic
Agree: @Bernkastelll @Shiedaisthepeak @Theuser789 @Debates-Fans @NucleerChaos1922
Disagree:
Neutral: @ZothythoTheNephalem
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The issue of power should be the subject of another Calc. At least it will take away most of Deadline's r>f abilities.
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Deadline/off panel being 1-A looks fine. But as mentioned elsewhere in the thread the Off-Panel version of those characters would not share abilities with their main selves. Just what they display.
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agreed. and these abilities will probably be the same abilities as most of Deadline's abilities
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A good deal works for me personally can you bring more staff members here?
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AgreeOff Panel, şimdiye kadarki en son ve en tuhaf gerçeklik seviyesidir; çizgi romandaki olayların tamamını yalnızca kurgusal bir çizgi roman olarak gören bir seviyedir. İlk olarak Off Panel resmi başlığı altında Sayı #67'de ortaya çıktı, ancak seri boyunca kendi (genellikle esprili veya 4. duvarı yıkan) kısa hikayeleriyle birkaç tanesi yer aldı.
Off Panel'de, "KARAKTERİN AYRI VERSİYONLARI ÇIKIYOR" Örneğin, Sonic, Archie'nin piyasaya sürülmesiyle karşılaştırıldığında Sonic Adventure 2'nin piyasaya sürülmesi hakkında yorum yapıyor:
Sally'nin Off Panel versiyonunun sorunların senaryolarını onaylaması gerekiyor.
Editör ve Panel Dışı Sonic, çeşitli senaryoları canlandırdıkları "planlama oturumları" düzenler. Burada, Sonic "savaşır"
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Panel Dışında Sonic ve Editörün Avatarı, Sonic Adventure bağlantılı çizgi romanı kutlamak için Sonic Adventure oynuyor
Katılıyorum: @Bernkastelll @Shiedaisthepeak [USER=38627]@Debates-Fans @NucleerChaos1922 @TyraexgSama @Qawsedf234
Aynı fikirde olmamak:
Tarafsız: @ZothythoTheNephalem @Theuser789
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Agree
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I had plans to investigste and potentially downgrade Off-Panel, but I have essentially zero time for it due to my heavy investment within the Sonic Segaverse. I will say this, however.
Sonic Off Panel
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- This page has misspellings related to tiering and otherwise ("Outverse level" rather than Outerversal, literally every instance of Immeasurable is spelled incorrectly, and other words are misspelled too).
- His abilities section is incorrectly bolded
- He should not have any of the abilities that his in-comic counterpart does, as others have stated, because this is a completely "different" Sonic.
- He should have Plot Manipulation from being able to take the writers' place.
- Transduality via transcending Maginaryworld's Nonduality seems fine, but should be explained better.
- Transduality (Type 2. As he is transcendant in nature to everything within the comic, which extends to [Nondualities and the beings such as Illumina that represent them])
- [Hyperlink my "The Oneiric Concepts in Sonic" blog within the bracketed text above]. Even though it's a blog for the Segaverse, Archie borrows basically all of the plot from the game itself.
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how do you bullet point here in the comments?
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I'm saying it for the last time. just like I stated in capital letters in the description. Sonic is not replacing writers. There is an alternative Sonic who lives in the same dimension as the writers and we call it off panel Sonic.
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Ah. Quote my bullet point post again. After you do that, you see the rewind icon at the top right of your comment box? Hit the three dots next to it on the right, then hit the brackets.
Now you should be looking right at the code.
Alternatively, when not looking at the raw code, use the three dots button next to the Italics (I) and hit the fourth button from the left (the three lines with the dots next to each line).
Sorry, kinda wordy explanation.
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Don't get snippy with me when I'm doing nothing but helping a low-quality page. Save the attitude for people who are less productive.
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oh, thanks!
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As I mentioned, I'm new to this and it's been pretty bad, but at least it might be an idea. So do you accept or reject it now?
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No problem!
Ah, so you are new huh? That's fine, welcome to the wiki! And I think the idea is fine.
Have you looked at other Sonic pages as a point of reference? Something small in the franchise like Illumina might help to look at when viewing the source code.
Eh... I accept it, as I have no immediate disqualifies popping into my head.
However, before this thread is accepted/rejected, I believe it would be worth me and you having a conversation on this site for me to help you improve the page. I would be willing to do so, if you'd like.
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I've been trying to be as polite as I can since yesterday, but everyone objecting to this Calc was either just there to debunk Sonic without reading the different character description I put in capital letters in the Calc, or they were voicing their complaints about the R>F system (whatever that has to do with the topic).
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Except I am saying the literal thing you said, that OFF PANEL SONIC did it. So he should have Plot Manipulation. Not only that, I'm defending R>F AND granting Off Panel Sonic another ability.
Water under the bridge, but actually LOOK at what I'm saying before unleashing hell on me.
Water under the bridge, but actually LOOK at what I'm saying before unleashing hell on me.
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So... you agree this R>F? Off Panel Sonic key and possibly 1-A Plot Manipulation for Archie Sonic thanks to off panel Sonic and Writer's avatar
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