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This is kind of an important CRT as there are some things wrong with Mechikabura's profile. For this CRT I'll be going through his black hole, but first we need to remove a certain power from his proifle
This is a long time coming but this needs to be taken care of once and for all. Mechikabura does not have a pocket dimension inside his body. This "pocket dimension" is simply untrue and ignores practically every statement and showing in both the arcade and the manga. It was made explicitly clear both in the arcade and the manga that the TP, Demon God's and the entire multiverse were trapped inside Mechikabura's black hole, not a pocket dimension which was never even once brought up in any Heroes material. Chronoa, Putine - even Mechikabura himself made it explicitly clear that it was the black hole that they were trapped inside of with absolutely no mention of a pocket dimension whatsoever. All the statements make it explicitly clear that they were trapped inside his black hole or alternatively the "darkness" which is just another calling name/synonym for the black hole
"But Dagoth, what about Chronoa's statement about the space-time that was trapping them? Isn't that the pocket dimension?"
No. This statement is only referring to the black hole itself. Chronoa before this explicitly stated that they were stuck in the black hole and so did Putine. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that Chronoa's space-time statement is only referring to the black hole itself, further supporting it's 4-D status. Infact, even the very person who translated all these arcade dialogues and manga scans for us was kind enough to confirm that Chronoa's space-time statement was indeed talking about the black hole lol
Tldr; Pocket Reality Manipulation and all references to it in Mechi's profile should be instantly removed as it's completely false and both the arcade and the manga make it painfully clear via a plethora of statements, that it's his black hole that they're stuck inside of. And with that out of the way, it's time to move to the big stuff
Since the Time Patrol, Demon God's and the multiverse were only trapped within Mechikabura's black hole, it's time to take care of the elephant in the room. Although the arcade is admittedly inconsistent and vague in some areas, the manga makes it crystal clear that the black hole where everything was trapped inside is infact a part of Mechikabura's physical body.
In both the arcade and the manga Mechikabura absorbs a black hole to gain his new Time Power Unleashed state, but it's in the manga where we see that this black hole outright merged with his physical body. Once Mechikabura creates the black hole in the manga with his own power and the Demon God's power (You can draw parallels to the Chaos Ball which was described as a black hole created by Mechikabura along with some of Chronoa's power that consumed all time into darkness/inside it) and sucks the Demon God's inside it - he absorbs the black hole into his body and later consumes all of time inside it. We then see alternate timelines floating around inside Mechikabura's black hole until Demigra pulls the TP out from Mechikabura's chest where the black hole's entrance is very clearly located at, proving that all of time was inside Mechikabura's body. Plus, when Trunks slices Mechikabura's body, specifically where Demigra pulled the TP out from Mechikabura's black hole, he regenerates over it stating that his body has endless regeneration, once again further supporting the black hole being a part of Mechikabura's physical body.
With all of this evidence it's made abuntantly clear that Mechikabura didn't just absorb the black hole for a simple power-up like people usually absorb energy - he outright merged with the black hole, making it an actual part of his body. This is very important as the black hole was outright confirmed to be a space-time, making it a 4-D construct which contains all of time and the entire multiverse within it. Since Mechikabura absorbed and physically merged with this 2-A black hole, it would logically grant him Higher-Dimensional Existence for physically merging/fusing with a 4th-dimensional, 2-A construct.
"But Dagoth, what about Mechikabura's size? He isn't larger than before"
Although it seems that he isn't larger than before, in truth his body has actually gained an increase in it's size as it's now actually infinite in size from the inside. As we all know by now, Mechikabura consumed the entire multiverse inside his body which contains an infinite number of timelines. This means that Mechikabura's physical body contains an infinite number of 4-D constructs inside it. This would be simply impossible for a body that is simply finite in size as something that is finite obviously cannot contain something that is infinite in size, in this case - a finite, infinitely lesser body containing an infinite multiverse would be impossible (Technically even a single timeline is larger than a infinite 3-D space). Mechikabura's body being infinite in size is further supported by the fact that beings with 2-A range, who can even go outside the multiverse/flow of time, can't escape from Mechikabura's black hole without outside help (Keysword or Demigra's light powers). Mechikabura's body is simply, infinitely larger from the inside (atleast mathematically speaking), after absorbing and merging with the black hole which is a 2-A construct in itself.
"But what about the black ball he creates here? Isn't this the black hole?"
Although I understand where the misconception comes from, it's outright impossible for it to be the actual black hole for a few reasons
1. Nothing was trapped inside this black ball. It was made abundantly clear that everyone and everything was trapped inside Mechikabura's black hole, but as we see later on, all of time was instead trapped inside Mechikabura's body and the black hole that is a part of it, not the black ball itself.
2. Mechikabura never used that black ball to consume the Demon God's inside his black hole. As we clearly saw when he first made the black hole itself, he already consumed the Demon God's inside his black hole and then absorbed it into his own body. The black ball simply can't be the actual black hole itself since Mechikabura never used it to consume the Demon God's inside his black hole.
With all this evidence the black ball should simply be treated as an alternative technique Mechikabura has that is connected to his actual black hole that's a part of him. It's simply outright impossible for it to be the actual black hole itself as nothing was trapped inside it and Mechikabura didn't even use it to suck the Demon God's inside his black hole in the first place.
Mechikabura should gain Higher-Dimensional Existence for physically merging with a 4th-dimensional black hole. It is a space-time capable of containing a 2-A multiverse and it actually altered/affected Mechikabura's actual physiology and size one way or another. Also all mentions of the "dimension" must be removed from Mechikabura's profile as it simply doesn't exist.
Also as a bonus, Dark King Mechikabura should gain Black Hole Creation/Higher-Dimensional Manipulation in his Dark King key for creating his black hole/Chaos Ball as I've already explained, these black holes are higher dimensional in nature.
Agree on HDE: Lord_JJJ, Arcker123, JirensMom, Rikimarox2, Orange, Dominodalek, Ottavio_Merluzzo, Shmooply, sanicspood, CR_Catinho, SSJRyu1, Vietthai96, StrymULTRA, Brak, Armbill, Ogbunabali
Neutral on HDE: LordGriffin1000, KLOL506, DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree on HDE:
Pocket Reality Manipulation removal
This is a long time coming but this needs to be taken care of once and for all. Mechikabura does not have a pocket dimension inside his body. This "pocket dimension" is simply untrue and ignores practically every statement and showing in both the arcade and the manga. It was made explicitly clear both in the arcade and the manga that the TP, Demon God's and the entire multiverse were trapped inside Mechikabura's black hole, not a pocket dimension which was never even once brought up in any Heroes material. Chronoa, Putine - even Mechikabura himself made it explicitly clear that it was the black hole that they were trapped inside of with absolutely no mention of a pocket dimension whatsoever. All the statements make it explicitly clear that they were trapped inside his black hole or alternatively the "darkness" which is just another calling name/synonym for the black hole
"But Dagoth, what about Chronoa's statement about the space-time that was trapping them? Isn't that the pocket dimension?"
No. This statement is only referring to the black hole itself. Chronoa before this explicitly stated that they were stuck in the black hole and so did Putine. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that Chronoa's space-time statement is only referring to the black hole itself, further supporting it's 4-D status. Infact, even the very person who translated all these arcade dialogues and manga scans for us was kind enough to confirm that Chronoa's space-time statement was indeed talking about the black hole lol
Tldr; Pocket Reality Manipulation and all references to it in Mechi's profile should be instantly removed as it's completely false and both the arcade and the manga make it painfully clear via a plethora of statements, that it's his black hole that they're stuck inside of. And with that out of the way, it's time to move to the big stuff
Higher-Dimensional Existence
Since the Time Patrol, Demon God's and the multiverse were only trapped within Mechikabura's black hole, it's time to take care of the elephant in the room. Although the arcade is admittedly inconsistent and vague in some areas, the manga makes it crystal clear that the black hole where everything was trapped inside is infact a part of Mechikabura's physical body.
In both the arcade and the manga Mechikabura absorbs a black hole to gain his new Time Power Unleashed state, but it's in the manga where we see that this black hole outright merged with his physical body. Once Mechikabura creates the black hole in the manga with his own power and the Demon God's power (You can draw parallels to the Chaos Ball which was described as a black hole created by Mechikabura along with some of Chronoa's power that consumed all time into darkness/inside it) and sucks the Demon God's inside it - he absorbs the black hole into his body and later consumes all of time inside it. We then see alternate timelines floating around inside Mechikabura's black hole until Demigra pulls the TP out from Mechikabura's chest where the black hole's entrance is very clearly located at, proving that all of time was inside Mechikabura's body. Plus, when Trunks slices Mechikabura's body, specifically where Demigra pulled the TP out from Mechikabura's black hole, he regenerates over it stating that his body has endless regeneration, once again further supporting the black hole being a part of Mechikabura's physical body.
With all of this evidence it's made abuntantly clear that Mechikabura didn't just absorb the black hole for a simple power-up like people usually absorb energy - he outright merged with the black hole, making it an actual part of his body. This is very important as the black hole was outright confirmed to be a space-time, making it a 4-D construct which contains all of time and the entire multiverse within it. Since Mechikabura absorbed and physically merged with this 2-A black hole, it would logically grant him Higher-Dimensional Existence for physically merging/fusing with a 4th-dimensional, 2-A construct.
"But Dagoth, what about Mechikabura's size? He isn't larger than before"
Although it seems that he isn't larger than before, in truth his body has actually gained an increase in it's size as it's now actually infinite in size from the inside. As we all know by now, Mechikabura consumed the entire multiverse inside his body which contains an infinite number of timelines. This means that Mechikabura's physical body contains an infinite number of 4-D constructs inside it. This would be simply impossible for a body that is simply finite in size as something that is finite obviously cannot contain something that is infinite in size, in this case - a finite, infinitely lesser body containing an infinite multiverse would be impossible (Technically even a single timeline is larger than a infinite 3-D space). Mechikabura's body being infinite in size is further supported by the fact that beings with 2-A range, who can even go outside the multiverse/flow of time, can't escape from Mechikabura's black hole without outside help (Keysword or Demigra's light powers). Mechikabura's body is simply, infinitely larger from the inside (atleast mathematically speaking), after absorbing and merging with the black hole which is a 2-A construct in itself.
"But what about the black ball he creates here? Isn't this the black hole?"
Although I understand where the misconception comes from, it's outright impossible for it to be the actual black hole for a few reasons
1. Nothing was trapped inside this black ball. It was made abundantly clear that everyone and everything was trapped inside Mechikabura's black hole, but as we see later on, all of time was instead trapped inside Mechikabura's body and the black hole that is a part of it, not the black ball itself.
2. Mechikabura never used that black ball to consume the Demon God's inside his black hole. As we clearly saw when he first made the black hole itself, he already consumed the Demon God's inside his black hole and then absorbed it into his own body. The black ball simply can't be the actual black hole itself since Mechikabura never used it to consume the Demon God's inside his black hole.
With all this evidence the black ball should simply be treated as an alternative technique Mechikabura has that is connected to his actual black hole that's a part of him. It's simply outright impossible for it to be the actual black hole itself as nothing was trapped inside it and Mechikabura didn't even use it to suck the Demon God's inside his black hole in the first place.
In conclusion:
Mechikabura should gain Higher-Dimensional Existence for physically merging with a 4th-dimensional black hole. It is a space-time capable of containing a 2-A multiverse and it actually altered/affected Mechikabura's actual physiology and size one way or another. Also all mentions of the "dimension" must be removed from Mechikabura's profile as it simply doesn't exist.
Also as a bonus, Dark King Mechikabura should gain Black Hole Creation/Higher-Dimensional Manipulation in his Dark King key for creating his black hole/Chaos Ball as I've already explained, these black holes are higher dimensional in nature.
Agree on HDE: Lord_JJJ, Arcker123, JirensMom, Rikimarox2, Orange, Dominodalek, Ottavio_Merluzzo, Shmooply, sanicspood, CR_Catinho, SSJRyu1, Vietthai96, StrymULTRA, Brak, Armbill, Ogbunabali
Neutral on HDE: LordGriffin1000, KLOL506, DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree on HDE:
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