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Because they guard the Temen-Ni-Gru? Is there a reason they shouldn't?
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Quick DMC speed adjustment
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Is there proof they do? I mean, demons under Arkham's command vs Mundus' generals. You'd think that the later would be way above on the pecking order.
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.....But they're not under Arkham's command at all, they're there because they were sealed within the gate by Sparda, with Sparda leaving a piece of his power inside.
If this were the case, Arkham wouldn't need Vergil to get in, because he needed his blood and his fighting skills to get inside.
If this were the case, Arkham wouldn't need Vergil to get in, because he needed his blood and his fighting skills to get inside.
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I kinda realized my mistake the moment I wrote the post, nevermind.
However, is there proof that they are on the level of Mundus' generals? I understand that they should be strong considering their job, but we need proof.
However, is there proof that they are on the level of Mundus' generals? I understand that they should be strong considering their job, but we need proof.
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I think we should calculate Dante's speed (with quicksilver) in this cutscene rather than rely on it's description.
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Theoretically you would think that a couple of fodder her guard the gate to the demon world is only slightly weaker if not just as strong as....Demons who guard the gate to the demon world.
Dante had absolutely zero trouble trashing all of the generals and only had a problem with Vergil, so it makes sense the Demons would scale if they're that level.
Dante had absolutely zero trouble trashing all of the generals and only had a problem with Vergil, so it makes sense the Demons would scale if they're that level.
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I think it was already calced. There's a Blog here that put it at MHS+ or Sub-Relativistic, I remember.Austrian-Man-Meat said:
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@Gargoyle
But Base Dante is stronger in DMC 1 than in DMC 3. Griffin proves it.
But Base Dante is stronger in DMC 1 than in DMC 3. Griffin proves it.
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@Austrian: Sure, let's do just that. Gimme a couple moments here...
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Wrong calc Matt, that's from the DMC anime not the quicksilver cutscene.
Also how does Griffon getting shitstomped by Dante prove it?
Also how does Griffon getting shitstomped by Dante prove it?
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His statement about Dante's strength proves it.
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I need a quote.
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Griffon stating that Dante's strength has surpassed his father's.
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That sounds extremely inconsistent and wrong....
I need a quote
I need a quote
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https://youtu.be/_TPu2YwpR18?t=186
Here.
Also, what is the proof that the storm is Griffin's doing, because I think it's obvious it is Mundus' power:
https://youtu.be/_TPu2YwpR18?t=229
The clouds have Mundus as their center and they spin around Mundus.
Here.
Also, what is the proof that the storm is Griffin's doing, because I think it's obvious it is Mundus' power:
https://youtu.be/_TPu2YwpR18?t=229
The clouds have Mundus as their center and they spin around Mundus.
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I really am a bit iffy on that, saying "Even more so" doesn't necessarily mean more powerful especially since Dante was supposed to surpass Sparda by 2.
Also that storm was definitely there when Griffin arrived, makes sense considering he uses lightning in his battle.
A "possibly" may be in order here.
Also that storm was definitely there when Griffin arrived, makes sense considering he uses lightning in his battle.
A "possibly" may be in order here.
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Actually Dante has quotes / feats that indicates he is rivalling or surpassing Sparda in every game and even the anime, so I really doubt he is only stronger than him by DMC 2. Seriously, in every installment he fights someone that either A) Rivals Sparda B) Rivals Mundus or C) Absorbed Sparda's power.
The reason that notion is pushed is to hide the inconsistency of 3-A DMC.
The reason that notion is pushed is to hide the inconsistency of 3-A DMC.
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Okay, but the storm being there doesn't confirm that it was caused by Griffin, specially when it has Mundus as its centerpoint.
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I thought it was pretty obvious just from a storytelling standpoint that Dante was a stronger guy in the first game compared to the third; I'm also iffy on that statement. As it conflicts with Dante being unable to fight against Mundus without his fathers power.
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I know it was said he surpassed sparda 4 and 2 but when was it said he surpassed him in the anime Arkham and santcus were not getting the full power of sparda arkham was using the force edge which has sparda's power sealed with in
"A devil arm with the power of the legendary dark knight sparda sealed within. It's powerful as is but it's true power has yet to be realized"
Characters who take power forcefully and reject their humanity are not as powerful https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MvzocnNaRLA
The same with Abigail/Sid https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bw8UswJlo68 go to 1:40 into the video
This also applies to Sanctus who knew something was up when Nero defeated him in their last fight https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pycLZdFzStI
"A devil arm with the power of the legendary dark knight sparda sealed within. It's powerful as is but it's true power has yet to be realized"
Characters who take power forcefully and reject their humanity are not as powerful https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MvzocnNaRLA
The same with Abigail/Sid https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bw8UswJlo68 go to 1:40 into the video
This also applies to Sanctus who knew something was up when Nero defeated him in their last fight https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pycLZdFzStI
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Enough of 3A DMC this was specifically regarding the speed in the first place and I've had enough of letting it get derailed. Please save that for when your thread comes.
Moving on, is possibly okay for the speed rating?
Moving on, is possibly okay for the speed rating?
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The speed rating is fine with a possibly, yes.
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Mundus could simply have grown in power. He had 2000 years for that. Considering that it took Sparda's + Dante's + Trish's power to put him down, I'd say that's likely.
@AMM
Mundus could simply have grown in power. He had 2000 years for that. Considering that it took Sparda's + Dante's + Trish's power to put him down, I'd say that's likely.
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Wrong it was just Dante and trish's power
"Feed your power and trish's power into your guns ebony and ivory then use your devil trigger and blast a big shot at mundus"
When Dante reached Mundus at the end of the game mundus nearly killed him with out lifting a finger it's only when he used sparda's power he was able to fight him in the second fight Dante didn't have sparda with him and mundus laughed at Dante's attempts to fight him
"Feed your power and trish's power into your guns ebony and ivory then use your devil trigger and blast a big shot at mundus"
When Dante reached Mundus at the end of the game mundus nearly killed him with out lifting a finger it's only when he used sparda's power he was able to fight him in the second fight Dante didn't have sparda with him and mundus laughed at Dante's attempts to fight him
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Yeah, but at that point Mundus was a blobby mess from the previous fight. But still, Sparda beat Mundus, 2000 years later Dante + Sparda Amp struggles to take down Mundus in a hard fight and fails to finish the job.
I'd say Mundus got stronger.
Yeah, but at that point Mundus was a blobby mess from the previous fight. But still, Sparda beat Mundus, 2000 years later Dante + Sparda Amp struggles to take down Mundus in a hard fight and fails to finish the job.
I'd say Mundus got stronger.
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The only reason Dante failed to finish the job was because he didn't have the Sparda sword with him, he gave it to Trish as a memory when he thought she was dead.
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No Dante beat mundus in the fight one on one with sparda when he didn't have sparda mundus was laughing at his attempts to fight he nearly killed Dante when they first meet in person
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Gar is right. A new thread should be made in that case.Gargoyle One said:
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Dante didn't beat Mundus as good as his father did 2000 years ago, even though he was amped by Sparda's demonic power. Sparda beat him and sealed the demon world away. Dante struggled heavily and Mundus came back minutes after, despite Dante + Sparda's power > Just Sparda
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Also I have made edits on my other post that go into more detail and show that arkham and Sanctus were not as powerful as sparda and sid wasn't as powerful as Abigail
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We have never seen the fight between mundus and spardaMatthew Schroeder said:
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Actually Sanctus is stated in the Files to have obtained Sparda's power.
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In either case, I already accepted MHS.
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Anyway, let's get to the point of this thread.
What needs to be changed, Arkham should get MHS reactions via being superior to Dante and Vergil individually.
Vergil and Dante should have the same DT speed, possibly Nero as well since he's comparable to DMC3 Dante and Vergil.
What needs to be changed, Arkham should get MHS reactions via being superior to Dante and Vergil individually.
Vergil and Dante should have the same DT speed, possibly Nero as well since he's comparable to DMC3 Dante and Vergil.
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No the file said it amped him past normal demons and while the sword did amped him it didn't give the full power as he rejected his humanity
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No, it said he reached Sparda's power, actually.
No, it said he reached Sparda's power, actually.
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Feel free to apply MHS then.
Feel free to apply MHS then.
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Devil May Cry 4, Boss File — Sanctus Diabolica: "The demon form taken by Sanctus after his Ascension ceremony. The ability to resonate with Sparda that the ceremony gave Sanctus is amplified, giving him power far beyond that of any normal demon, and warping his body into a hellish visage
Said it has given him power beyond any normal demon no where does it say he has the full power of sparda
Said it has given him power beyond any normal demon no where does it say he has the full power of sparda
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@Matthew it's stated by Sanctus himself that Sparda didn't gave him power.
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You are putting it out of context. What Sanctus wonders is why he didn't become Almighty like he believed he would, because he worshipped Sparda as god. To which Nero replies he shouldn't take legends literally, because Sparda's power was hyped in the legends.
It's stated multiple times throughout the series that the stories of 2000 years ago are full of hype and exaggeration and confusion, and should even be considered fairy tales.
You are putting it out of context. What Sanctus wonders is why he didn't become Almighty like he believed he would, because he worshipped Sparda as god. To which Nero replies he shouldn't take legends literally, because Sparda's power was hyped in the legends.
It's stated multiple times throughout the series that the stories of 2000 years ago are full of hype and exaggeration and confusion, and should even be considered fairy tales.
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No. He simply said "why don't you give me strength?", and then asks why he's not worthy of being as powerful as Sparda was.
It's stated that MAYBE these stories are fairy tales by beings such as Lady and Arkham. Anyone who lived in that era (such as Modeus and Baul, Mundus' generals) denied the events.
It's stated that MAYBE these stories are fairy tales by beings such as Lady and Arkham. Anyone who lived in that era (such as Modeus and Baul, Mundus' generals) denied the events.
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