Question about 1A

[GohanoXD]

So acording tiering system a character need to transcend infinite dimensions or beyond to become 1A. But here they are saying that if a character can manipulate, create or destroy universal then they are true platonic and 1A :https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Conceptual_Manipulation

So why there are two different defination of same tier?

 

[Andytrenom]

Being conceptually above all dimensions is the definition of 1-A, true platonic concepts are simply things that qualify for this tier rather than being what define the tier.

 

[GohanoXD]

So that means creating ,destroying, altering universals means above infinite dimensions, right?

Btw if a character creates a world from begining (let's say in a void/nothingness) including it's time and space will he/she be True Platonic/1A?

 

[Executor_N0]

Much of the philosophical cosmologies based on the ideas of "souls / minds" state that the notions of time and space only comprise the "physical world," while higher realms such as abstract souls, minds, or entities exist completely outside the limitations of the physical world, and therefore beyond the dimensions.

Platonism and its variables are one of these ideas, and therefore concepts and platonic souls are 1-A. However, there are interpretations that these higher worlds exist only in steps above normal 4-D space -time, which would make platonic concepts somewhat variable depending on the setting. That is why there are two types of Platonic concepts on the page, one taking into account the more natural interpretation of them being completely above all space and time, and therefore 1-A, as well as more limited interpretations that usually establish these concepts only as 4D / 5D.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Gohano No. The Universal needs to be specifically stated within the verse itself to be above every possible form of time-space across every dimensional level. Otherwise it only qualifies for type 2 conceptual manipulation

Maybe there is some way to get 1-A out of Universals without the above condition but I'm not aware of it.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Executor You know, I actually know a verse just like that where the interpretation of Plato's ideas was higher spatial dimensions. Although I am not sure if it will actually allow for any type 2 concept stuff

 

[GohanoXD]

@Andytrenom which verse follows it?

Also does that means all verses doesn't follow this concept?