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Simplify what you just said.
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Powers & Abilities Evaluations Thread
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Create a world unbound by the laws of reality, named ones are the ones of order and chaos and is mentioned to be in a "terminal" state. Resistant to the corresponding manipulations while inside it, as the realm is unbound by it. Would this affect other abilities that are tied to the laws of reality or just those two?
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it just means that law bound abilities won't work there.
speedster352
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The demon king true body resides in purgatory and he is able to take vessels and create avatars in the mortal world what ability is that?
Oliver_de_jesus
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Immortality type 9 and Avatar creation
speedster352
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Crisis「終局クライシス, Kuraishisu」 is a power possessed by the Original Demon.[1] This ability allows the user's power power to constantly increase while taking damage. What ability is this? The Original Demon shows this power in his battle against Ludociel, which proves overwhelming for Ludociel because of the exponential increase in the Original Demon's power after several attacks
Oliver_de_jesus
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Just accelerated development (Reactive power)
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It doesn't exactly increase in response to damage, like Saiyans.
It's actually a magic power. His strength increases proportionally to how much of his life is drained away. Being damaged or injured just takes away his life, as would being terminally ill for a human.
Thusly, I'm 99% sure it's empowerment.
It's actually a magic power. His strength increases proportionally to how much of his life is drained away. Being damaged or injured just takes away his life, as would being terminally ill for a human.
Thusly, I'm 99% sure it's empowerment.
speedster352
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Ask makai for the raws also that’s just another way of say damage makes me stronger.
speedster352
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That’s just your interpretation he is actually getting stronger and faster trough damage.
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That's not an interpretation. He doesn't say 'damage makes me stronger', he says he gets stronger as his life wanes.
That would include being damaged, and having his body break up. But that's not actually why or how it works/functions, just what can trigger it indirectly.
And, btw, here's the raws. From what I can see, it also says life, and nothing about damage.
That would include being damaged, and having his body break up. But that's not actually why or how it works/functions, just what can trigger it indirectly.
And, btw, here's the raws. From what I can see, it also says life, and nothing about damage.
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speedster352
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He is still getting stronger and faster trough damage as well
speedster352
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All I am trying to say is that it’s the same as the saiyans the more they die the stronger they become just different wording.
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It's not the same at all.
Saiyans get stronger due to and specifically in response to struggling in battle and healing from fatal injuries. It has nothing to do with a magic power that's very specifically tied to their life force.
This is why you shouldn't keep conflating verses like this.
Saiyans get stronger due to and specifically in response to struggling in battle and healing from fatal injuries. It has nothing to do with a magic power that's very specifically tied to their life force.
This is why you shouldn't keep conflating verses like this.
speedster352
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That’s the same for the OD he was in Fight with Ludociel and was being pushed then crisis kicked in and he surpassed Ludociel thats accelerated development
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That's not the same at all.
He wasn't being pushed, he was ******* dying. His power wasn't growing in response to damage or struggle.
In fact, the struggling and pushing literally had no hand in it either way, whether or not either one of us is right.
He wasn't being pushed, he was ******* dying. His power wasn't growing in response to damage or struggle.
In fact, the struggling and pushing literally had no hand in it either way, whether or not either one of us is right.
speedster352
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That’s the same as a Zenkai boost the closer a saiyan is to dying the stronger they become. Response Ludociel attacking himmade him stronger alongside slowly dying even Merlin tells him to stop launching attacks at him and even Merlin was concerned as to how fast his was powering up keeps growing stronger and faster this fits for averaged development. Please don’t straw man.
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They don't become stronger by dying. They get pushed and heal from near death to get stronger. Get a better comparison, because you're just repeating the same shit rather than addressing the argument.
That's not what a straw man is.
I don't even see a need to argue anymore unless we get some outside input. It's just going to go in circles.
That's not what a straw man is.
I don't even see a need to argue anymore unless we get some outside input. It's just going to go in circles.
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Your post got drowned out by speedster vs byasura lmaoo
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dude i already have this as npi on her sandbox
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Agreed.
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Arkenis
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Yes.
speedster352
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The original demon did recover from the dmage Ludociel inflicted and was getting stronger. It’s the exact same thing as the saiyan. The more their life get shaven away and when they recover they get stronger. The OD ability allows him to grow stronger it’s not RPL but at least accelerated development since he is getting stronger and faster during the course of the fright. Again OD gets stronger in response to getting hit by Ludociels attacks. He is also constantly getting stronger and faster thanks to crisis too. So it would fit empowerment and accelerated development. Best to add both.
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No he didn't. It's literally stated that his body was going to fail from the break down that Crisis causes. The challenge was beating him or holding out before his body failed. And it's sheerly because of life sapping on its own that he grew stronger, not any sort of recovery.
You need to stop conflating verse logic that just doesn't gel at all.
Again, no he wasn't. Saying shit a million times doesn't validate your points. Crisis and power-ups through damage aren't some kind of separate thing here, it just works through Crisis.
You need to stop conflating verse logic that just doesn't gel at all.
Again, no he wasn't. Saying shit a million times doesn't validate your points. Crisis and power-ups through damage aren't some kind of separate thing here, it just works through Crisis.
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speedster352
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That’s just his curse which is still damaging his body and causing him to become stronger and faster that is not crisis that’s just the curse causing his body to fail crisis makes him stronger. After a massive beating from Ludociel he surpassed him in strength and speed that’s accelerated development.
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Speedster, please learn to quit when you're behind. Asura has been pretty patient and logical in explaining why a "stronger as you get closer to death" function does not fit what Accelerated Development is meant to capture. This topic didn't need to go on for two dozen comments. Saiyans get stronger through the recovery and adaptation after a harsh beating. It is through the experience of harsh combat that they get stronger, accelerated development. In this other situation, he gets structure due to literally being closer to death, not because he recovers from it and gets stronger and evolves.
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You're just making shit up now. That's not what OG Demon said. Nobody separates empowerment from damage and the break down of his body, and it makes no sense at all given what his power actually is.
There is literally no point to this discussion at this juncture, nor is there any evidence for any kind of recovery.
I definitely have not been patient, nor will I continue to be.
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More patient than I would have been.
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I might as well ask.
DK possesses Britannia, and takes out a regular chunk of land.
The chunk is DK himself, since it was destroyed separately from all of Britannia, but it's completely different to what he pulled out of the ground (which occurred after the possession). The body can also speak and launch physical/magical attacks.
Would this qualify for earth and plant manipulation since it's not some kind of manual effect (like using a sword to carve that shape and anatomy)?
DK possesses Britannia, and takes out a regular chunk of land.
The chunk is DK himself, since it was destroyed separately from all of Britannia, but it's completely different to what he pulled out of the ground (which occurred after the possession). The body can also speak and launch physical/magical attacks.
Would this qualify for earth and plant manipulation since it's not some kind of manual effect (like using a sword to carve that shape and anatomy)?
Oliver_de_jesus
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Yes, This is similar to the Elementors merging with the planet and causing a bunch of disasters simply in an attempt to attack their enemies.
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Does summoning applies to objects? If not what power would it be if a character can summon an object? Not created by energy or matter just an object that exists and can be summon whenever the user wants.
Oliver_de_jesus
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Yes, I think we consider the God Meteor Skill from Dragon ball heroes as summoning
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More precisely im referring to summoning a weapon
Oliver_de_jesus
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if it is said that she/he is not creating a weapon and cannot control it (i.e. making a sword fly and hit multiple enemies), then yeah
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Is there a power for being able to change the position of the organs in ones body?
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