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Ryu, why are you trying to divide Infinity into a number? Its like saying if you divide High 3-A enough you can get 3-A.
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Yes which is the fact that it takes a collective group to perform this feat and that nothing suggests an individual one can do the same thing.We can only go by what we observe in the games
You ignored the fact that the ones who gave him power were also some of the strongest characters in his verse at the time. Their energy would logically be way, way higher than a regular human's energy. Not to mention this is also finite energy. The difference between 4-A to 5-B is smaller compared to the difference between High 3-A to Low 2-C. It would make far more sense to say that one Luma is a very small level of Low 2-C, than to say that millions of lumas are somehow creating uncountably infinite power, when one can only make a galaxy, and them combined at most should only be multi-galaxy at best.I'm not talking about Krillin. I'm talking about the regular, untrained civilians whose energy was used to create the Spirit Bomb. By your logic of dividing a collective feat by every individual who performed it you're still going to get nonsense like planetbusting background characters. When in reality it's simply just a common trope of a collective power being exponentially greater than the sum of its parts. Individuals do not scale to collective feats.
Why the heck would they transform into a galaxy in the first place.And "we can only go by what we observe in the games" and yet we can just assume Mario and Bowser can magically transform their bodies into galaxies when absolutely nothing suggests that nor is it "observed in the game."
Yep let's shift it to "They didn't use It's full power cuz i said so"And "We can only go by what we observe in the games" yet we can just assume that every character that comes into contact with a Power Star must've absorbed the entirety of its energy even when that isn't stated or shown (in fact the opposite with Bowser)
Are you even reading? Like at all? No one said that one Luma is equal to the energy used in that cutscene, but they would have the same tier. There are various levels of Low 2-C. And 1/millionth of Low 2-C is still the same tier regardless. This does not mean they can go toe to toe with Bowser just because they have the same tier. I thought this was made extremely clear even in the early days in this site.I'm not sure how many times I need to explain that in fiction a collective power can often be exponentially greater than the sum of its parts. It is not always just oh a million lumas each adding up their power equally into this attack.
Again, random civilians in Dragon Ball are not starbusters just because you can divide the 4-A attack by a few billion.
Actually try to find an individual feat from a luma that is Universe busting instead of trying to scale them all to a feat that they can only do collectively.
Cool, but these kinds of claims requires scans so The burden of proof is on you bud.I'm not sure how many times I need to explain that in fiction a collective power can often be exponentially greater than the sum of its parts. It is not always just oh a million lumas each adding up their power equally into this attack
Yep let's forget the other strong characters in verseAgain, random civilians in Dragon Ball are not starbusters just because you can divide the 4-A attack by a few billion.
You need to prove they absorbed the entirety of the star's power. The burden of proof is on you for making that claim. If there is no statement that they absorbed the entirety of the energy and they perform no feats even close to what the reactor's black hole collapse did (which is arguable if this even scales to Power Stars as well but I digress), then you don't get to go "They absorbed the full power cause I said so." And again Bowser cannot touch a tiny portion of the energy for a brief second without badly hurting himself, let alone absorbing all of energy inside his body and holding it within himself indefinitely.Yep let's shift it to "They didn't use It's full power cuz i said so"
No the burden of proof is on you to find a Low 2-C feat (or even a statement I'm content with at this point) from an individual luma. You do not get to say that an individual luma is Low 2-C just because a collective amount performed that feat.Cool, but these kinds of claims requires scans so The burden of proof is on you bud.
Yep, lemme find scan for a luma randomly bust a universe for no reasonNo the burden of proof is on you to find a Low 2-C feat (or even a statement I'm content with at this point) from an individual luma. You do not get to say that an individual luma is Low 2-C just because a collective amount performed that feat.
Nope that's not how it works. The burden of proof is on you to prove individual lumas are Low 2-C. Not on anyone to prove they aren't. You have to find proper feats or statements.Well, what goes against Lumas being Low 2-C?
As early as 2017, power stars had Luma scaling on their profile. Saying that this is shapeshifting is disingenuous. It shows a galaxy being created from an explosion with the text that a new galaxy is born. I assume that you don't have any instances of a Luma turning back from a galaxy, which is more proof that this isn't shapeshifting. It's a feat that blatantly requires 3-C amounts of energy.No the scaling was rejected in multiple previous threads and again, these specific types of lumas magically turning themselves into a galaxy is a special ability unique only to them. Mario and Bowser cannot turn themselves into a galaxy therefore they do not scale to their shapeshifting abilities. If someone's "7-A feat" is them shapeshifting into a mountain you don't scale that to someone who isn't capable of shapeshifting into a mountain.
Also as I've mentioned before these characters that are "powered up by Power Stars" did not absorb the entirety of their energy. Even Bowser cannot touch a tiny portion of the energy for a brief second without badly hurting himself, let alone absorbing all of energy inside his body and holding it within himself indefinitely.
Just like how you guys unironically think Miyamoto considers the ending of Super Mario Galaxy to be a feat of literally infinite power, and that he knew "Oh well if you divide infinity by a million that's infinity meaning the lumas have infinite power"Ryu is going to tell that akira will bother himself making unnecessary calculations just because goku needed some extra energy (ignoring the spirit bomb it self without extra energy is so strong by default) just for a future fictional debate.
Well, in Good Egg Galaxy there is actually 1 Luma which comes back and must be refed to turn back into the Tower Planet, but I guess that’s not a galaxyI assume that you don't have any instances of a Luma turning back from a galaxy
Yeah I cannot believe we are actually at a point where "Give a feat or evidence that puts your character at the tier you claim they are" is seen as an unreasonable request. As if people can just assert whatever level they want someone to be without needing to prove it.Stop saying we should prove that they aren't universal individually when you can't do the opposite. We go with what we are given, not what we want or think. This isn't a mere two or typical rag tag bunch of Lumas in an JRPG fashion, this is a large group of Lumas where the sum equals to the whole does not apply here.
I mean, that's probably just game mechanics during repeat missions. Same sort of logic why bosses reappear after being canonically defeated.Well, in Good Egg Galaxy there is actually 1 Luma which comes back and must be refed to turn back into the Tower Planet, but I guess that’s not a galaxy
From what I recall, this happens with no other Galaxy, even Hungry Luma’s that make Planets for a mission, so this Hungry Luma coming back is uniqueI mean, that's probably just game mechanics during repeat missions. Same sort of logic why bosses reappear after being canonically defeated.
I mean, isn't that just the same logic as "countless less powerful things become one very powerful thing when combined" that's used with the Low 2-C luma stuff?Hell, Star Bits, those things Lumas constantly feed on? The intro to Galaxy straight up says that Star Bits collected together will become "great Power Stars" while showing a picture that resembles a Grand Star.
This means Lumas constantly feed on things that can become Grand Stars, those Low 2-C artifacts.